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Gay Seminar Teacher Investigated [NC Governor's School: Sexual abuse of minor]
A Carolina Journal Exclusive ^ | February 14, 2006 | Paul Chesser

Posted on 02/14/2006 4:52:08 AM PST by TaxRelief

Carolina Journal Online


Author photoK-12 Education

Gay Seminar Teacher Investigated

Teacher probed for sexual misconduct with East Forsyth student

By Paul Chesser

February 14, 2006

RALEIGH — A co-teacher of a controversial seminar on homosexuality at last year's taxpayer-funded Governor's School is under investigation in Forsyth County for alleged sexual misconduct with a student.

Susan Wiseman helped lead a lecture based on a book called "The New Gay Teenager," given at the Governor's School West. The six-week Governor’s School is conducted every summer, with 400 students each at two locations: Salem College in Winston-Salem (West) and Meredith College in Raleigh (East).

The residential program draws public high school students who are approaching their senior years, and who are nominated by their high schools’ teachers and administrators. Students are identified as “intellectually gifted,” and the program “integrat(es) academic disciplines, the arts, and unique courses….”

According to a report in the Winston-Salem Journal on Friday, Wiseman is being investigated for allegations of sexual activity with a 17-year-old student. The report was confirmed to Carolina Journal by a source involved in the investigation.

Wiseman, according to the Journal, is a social studies teacher at East Forsyth High School. She is also listed as a youth coordinator for the Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG)-Winston-Salem.

Wiseman co-led the "New Gay Teenager" seminar with a 19-year-old office assistant at the Governor's School — Wesley Nemenz — who is homosexual, a former Governor's School attendee, and a student at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro.

The seminar was heavily criticized by James and Beverly Burrows, whose son attended the school last year and said their son returned home from the school “confused” about homosexuality as a result of the seminar, and that they have had to seek family counseling.

“We feel that this was totally inappropriate for the students who were 15, 16, and 17 years old,” the Burrowses wrote to officials at the State Department of Public Instruction last August. “We feel that our rights as parents have been violated by this program.”

The Burrowses accused the Governor's School of having a "pro-homosexual agenda."

DPI and Governor's School officials defended the seminar, saying it was optional for students to attend, as is the Governor’s School itself.

The state budget fully funds the program, with $1.3 million set aside for it this fiscal year. Students are nominated based on specific areas of academic or performing-arts excellence, and pay nothing to attend, other than the cost to travel to the schools.

At least two other families were also disturbed by the changes in their children after returning from the Governor's School last year, based on students' writings on the MySpace Internet website.

Wiseman has not been charged with any crimes. Vanessa Jeter, a spokeswoman for the Department of Public Instruction, was unaware of the investigation and said she would make sure the agency's attorneys were aware of it.

"We would take that kind of thing very seriously," Jeter said.

Paul Chesser (pchesser@carolinajournal.org) is associate editor of Carolina Journal.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: burrows; campus; gayseminar; gifteded; giftedrecruitment; governorsschool; homosexualagenda; paulchesser; perversion; recruiting; schools; susanwiseman; teacher; teachers; teens; wesleynemenz
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To: GBoettner
The same thing happed to my son in South Carolina. He has been screwed up since attending the Govenors School in Greenville, we yanked him out his second yea but alas it was too late. Two years of therapy has done little to reverse the damage.

Wow. You might want to check out the link in my post #49. I saw a 1992 video on Clinton's Governor's School. It was shocking. The "school" was clearly engaging in brainwashing or communist "reeducation" tactics.

I've since done some web searches on various state Governor's Schools, and children's experiences range from straight academics to straight brainwashing.

51 posted on 02/14/2006 11:13:50 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TaxRelief
The children and parents are lead to believe that attendance is a guarantee of college acceptance at UNC Chapel Hill.

Well, I've found that parents will do just about anything to give Johnny a leg up on the competition for sacred college admissions. Who cares what the program's about?

"Knowledge is good." (Motto on Faber College statue)

52 posted on 02/14/2006 11:20:58 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TaxRelief
She is also listed as a youth coordinator for the Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG)-Winston-Salem.

Youth coordinator for a group that deals only with sexual behavior. Does this not scream "Recruiter"?

53 posted on 02/14/2006 11:23:47 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Antoninus

Sounds like some hot lesbo action.

The teacher should be fired, and tax payers should not pay for the new gay teenager seminar. NC is not the only state that has taken funding away from real public education and pumped into these PC gay-pride classes. I don't see any classes catering speciffically to the needs of heterosexual children.

A teacher having sex with a student is very inappropriate. I'm not really sure anything illegal happened though unless the age of consent is older than 17 in NC. I don't think it is. I think it is legal in my own state for a 16 year old to have sex with a 60 year old.


54 posted on 02/14/2006 11:24:40 AM PST by sangrila
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To: wbill

"At 17, if a homosexual had tried to molest me, he'd have been picking his teeth up off the floor."


Exactly.


55 posted on 02/14/2006 11:36:17 AM PST by sangrila
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To: Antoninus

I still want to know if the parents of the students were provided a list of courses that would be presented at this seminar. So far, that question has not been addressed.


56 posted on 02/14/2006 11:39:01 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: John O

If the military tried putting an active member in charge of a basketball team, the left would be screaming "Recruiter" so loudly!


57 posted on 02/14/2006 11:40:33 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: TheBattman

NC didn't follow Arkansas. I think NC had the first Governor's School program. I attended back in 1975. Not sure who Bill Clinton was molesting back then. When I was there, there was nothing approaching a homosexual agenda.

Several years ago Governor's School in NC was divided into East and West... not sure if that changed things. Also, the head of Gov. School, Jim Bray has had substantial medical problems (and may have died in the last few years...)


58 posted on 02/14/2006 11:50:32 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: TaxRelief

The children and parents are lead to believe that attendance is a guarantee of college acceptance at UNC Chapel Hill.
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I was never led to believe that back in 1975, although I did attend UNC as a token conservative.


59 posted on 02/14/2006 11:55:25 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: Aquinasfan
Rules excerpt:

Do students have to attend the Governor's School the entire six weeks?
Yes. If a student accepts the invitation to attend the Governor's School, he/she must agree to attend for the entire six weeks. (NOTE: Any student who does not stay until the closing session on the last day will not receive a Governor's School certificate, nor be permitted to use the Governor's School experience on college and scholarship applications.)

May students go home on weekends?
No. Students must remain at the Governor's School through the weekends except the third weekend of the session when all students go home on Saturday and return on the following Tuesday evening.

What is the cost to students to attend the Governor's School?
The program is funded by the North Carolina General Assembly. Students furnish only their transportation to and from the campus and any spending money they may need.

60 posted on 02/14/2006 12:04:24 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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Below is a list of optional seminars recently presented at GS-West.


WEEK ONE

  1. Strange Little Short Stories
  2. Aesthetics of Choreography
  3. Relativity
  4. This is Not a Pipe: Magritte and How We Interpret Art
  5. Love Lace
  6. Discussion of Love Lace
  7. Ecstasy and the Brain: A Neurological Perspective on Contemporary Drugs
  8. Deconstructing Scrabble: Synthesizing a Killer Word
  9. Word Play: Experiments in Poetry
  10. African-American Film Series
  11. Yoga
  12. Reading Circles
  13. Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time
  14. The Topology of 20th Century Theater: A Hands-on Approach
  15. The Art & Science of Flying: From Bernoulli to Paragliding


WEEK TWO

  1. The Art of Montage: Two Films by Alfred Hitchcock: Psycho & Vertigo
  2. Suzuki Open Class
  3. Activism and Protest Culture
  4. Film: Twilight
  5. GSW Movie Series Preview: Film's Unique Vocabulary
  6. General Relativity for Dummies
  7. The Tropicalization of Latin America: Disney's Three Caballeros
  8. Word Play: Experiments in Poetry
  9. Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time (repeat)
  10. Yoga
  11. Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone: Declining Social Capital in America
  12. Two Poets and a Guy with a Story
  13. Roussel, the Oulipo, and the Constraint in Literature


WEEK THREE

  1. Mythos and Modernity in Japanese Cinema (Or East Meets West(erns)): Akira Kurasawa's Seven Samurai
  2. Gazing into the Abyss: An Introduction to Existentialism
  3. Nuestra Comunidad: Latinos in North Carolina
  4. Mean Genes and the Biology of Pleasure
  5. An Introduction to the Poetry of Natasha Trethewey
  6. Word Play: Experiments in Poetry
  7. Yoga


WEEK FOUR

  1. Four Poets
  2. The Merchants of Cool: How Corporate America is Defining What You Think is Cool
  3. Ask the TACs Anything (About College)
  4. The Bioethics of Genetic Testing and Stem Cells
  5. The Use of Force: An Idea in Art and Science
  6. This is What Democracy Looks Like – The 1999 Seattle Protest
  7. Word Play: Experiments in Poetry
  8. Yoga
  9. Reading Circles
  10. African American Film Series: Slam
  11. Appalachian Documentary: American Hollow
  12. Life & Debt – Global Economic Policy at Work in Jamaica
  13. Topology & Order Parameters in Physics
  14. Discussion of Globalization Films
  15. Area II Cloning Debate
  16. How Do Poems Mean?
  17. Ways of Knowing and Those @#$% Environmentalists
  18. Mountaintop Removal Coal Mining – How Cheap is Your Electricity
  19. Exploring the Golden Ratio: The Story of Phi, the World's Most Astonishing Number
  20. Phase Shifting: The Early Compositions of Steve Reich
  21. Writing for Fun and Insight
  22. Sudden Fiction & Contemporary Lif
  23. Critics' Choice: Exploring Literary Theories


WEEK FIVE

  1. The New French Wave: Jean-Luc Godard – Breathless, Le Mepris (Contempt)
  2. Individuality, Conformity, and Society
  3. Suburbia and the New American Home
  4. Song Writing Workshop
  5. Meet Your Meat, Part I
  6. Famine Relief for Mauritania
  7. Industrial Areas Foundation: A Proven Approach to Community Action
  8. Film Screening: Zoot Suit
  9. Word Play: Experiments in Poetry
  10. Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Philosophy
  11. Funny Dirty Little War: Peronism and Argentina's Dirty War
  12. Lingua Comica: Comics, Art, and Visual Communication
  13. Yoga
  14. The Mathematics of Music or the Music of Mathematics
  15. Can We Think Our Way to Belief? Philosophical Arguments For/ Against God's Existence
  16. Holden Thorp's DNA: The Secret of Life
  17. African-American Film Series: Scankofa


WEEK SIX

  1. The Transcendental Cinema of Michelangelo Antonioni: Blow Up & L'Avventura
  2. Sociology of Capitalism
  3. Follow Your Bliss
  4. New Music Improvised and Not
  5. Capital Punishment: A Lawyer's Perspective
  6. African American Film Series: Sankofa, Part II
  7. Presumed Guilty: A Performance of “The Exoneratedâ€Ãƒƒ‚�
  8. Dead Man Walking
  9. Are We There Yet? - Women in Science
  10. Word Play: Experiments in Poetry
  11. The Real Scoop About College
  12. Yoga
  13. Meet Your Meat, Part II

 


The secret homosexual seminar took place on the second last day of the sixth week. They are still keeping it secret from this year's potential recruits.
61 posted on 02/14/2006 12:12:35 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: taxesareforever

It is addressed in an article linked from the posted article. The seminar was sceduled while the school was in session, so it was not disclosed to the parents/students prior to the start of the school.


62 posted on 02/14/2006 12:20:09 PM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: Coleus
Each year, each campus of Governor's Indoctrination School invites "distinguished academics and artists" to speak to the student body. These speakers represent the most current work and debates in their arena of ideas. Governor's School wants to challenge its students and provoke thoughtful conversation within the Governor's School community.

Here are sample speakers from Governor's School East's "Convocations" series in recent years. Several of these speakers have also presented at Governor's School West's Speakers Series.


63 posted on 02/14/2006 12:20:25 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: TaxRelief
May students go home on weekends? No.

That tells me all I need to know.

64 posted on 02/14/2006 12:23:16 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: taxesareforever
This was a secret seminar. It was not on the list provided to parents. See list at post #61
65 posted on 02/14/2006 12:23:17 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: thehumanlynx
it was not disclosed to the parents/students prior to the start of the school.

...Nor any time afterwards. Parents were never notified of the change. Permission was not sought.

66 posted on 02/14/2006 12:25:33 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: TaxRelief
Since the witch hunts of the 1980's, I've always reserved judgement of teachers accused of sexual misconduct with a student until there has been a complete investigation.

People are always jumping the gun, and that needs to stop.

67 posted on 02/14/2006 12:27:38 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: TaxRelief
Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Philosophy

How about St. Thomas and Philosophy? < /rimshot>

This list reads like the creme de la crappe.

68 posted on 02/14/2006 12:28:19 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: TaxRelief
Professor Kimball focused the attention of the GSE students on the question of why people commit evil acts in the name of religion. He introduced what he saw as warning signs that a religion was becoming evil and encouraged the students to apply his test to the current state of the world.

I wonder which religion's he focused on? What his test was?

For instance: Is a person of power who claims to speak with a higher power that leads us into a war for oil likely involved in an evil religion? (kimball answers his own rhetoric... YES, that mans religion is no doubt evil)

Does a religion seek to deny rights to deserving segments of society like homosexuals? (kimball again: absolutely, Christianity is an antiquated evil religion that seeks to destroy the world in the name of "Jesus". )

Are religions whose practitioners are forced to fight oppression by whatever means necessary evil? (kimball says: No, they are simply surviving, if Israel would stop their oppression of the Palestinians and the US would halt its imperialism on the world then no Muslim would have to attack the US or Israel)

This is all speculation but my guess, after reading a bit about these schools, is that his speech wasn't ideologically far off of my guess.

I can only hope I am dead wrong.

69 posted on 02/14/2006 12:34:42 PM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: Zeroisanumber
"Since the witch hunts of the 1980's, I've always reserved judgement of teachers accused of sexual misconduct with a student until there has been a complete investigation."

Very much agreed and for the same reason.

70 posted on 02/14/2006 1:06:44 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: thehumanlynx

From Publisher's Weekly:

"[Kimball] contends that there are five warning signs that we can recognize when religion moves toward [evil]. Whenever a religion emphasizes that it holds the absolute truth-the one path to God or the only correct way of reading a sacred text-to the exclusion of the truth claims of all other religions and cultures, that religion is becoming evil. Other warning signs include blind obedience to religious leaders, apocalyptic belief that the end time will occur through a particular religion, the use of malevolent ends to achieve religious goals (e.g., the Crusades) and the declaration of holy war."

( Kimball, BTW, served as the director of the Middle East office of the National Council of Churches)


71 posted on 02/14/2006 1:13:26 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: WayneS

Human rights, yes...certainly.


72 posted on 02/14/2006 1:55:31 PM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: TaxRelief

I'll have to say, since I am a concerned parent, just looking at that list of courses I would not allow my child to attend.


73 posted on 02/14/2006 2:38:04 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: TaxRelief; Amelia

Ameila - please read this whole thread.


74 posted on 02/14/2006 2:46:33 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NCLaw441

Hmmm... Maybe NC just followed the curriculum that Clinton instituted...???


75 posted on 02/14/2006 3:20:15 PM PST by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan and a Cancer on Society)
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To: GBoettner
GBoettner,

I am so sorry to hear about your son. I am sorry I didn't understand part of your post. Did you pull him out of school or only the Governor's school?
76 posted on 02/14/2006 5:44:56 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Aquinasfan

Testimony of parent whose son committed suicide after attending the Ark. Gov.'s School


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This mother's testimony is very sad.


77 posted on 02/14/2006 6:03:13 PM PST by wintertime
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To: spinestein; scripter; DirtyHarryY2K; DBeers; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; ...
Dad Says His Son 'Damaged' by Homosexual Indoctrination at State-Sponsored Program
 
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So you're saying that there is a widespread pattern of homosexual activists in high schools "coercing" teenagers to go to meetings where they are subject to "attempted molestation"? >>>>

YES!


78 posted on 02/14/2006 6:03:39 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Aquinasfan
I attended one of these in Georgia in the 1960's. It was indeed patterned after the NC program, and most of the staff and faculty were of the "JFK" mold of liberals that one could encounter before the Viet Nam / LBJ debacle.

We read good books, talked about "big ideas", and watched foreign films - with subtitles!! One of the English teachers from New Jersey was more knowledgeable than any of my "Kudzu League" profs that I encountered later at college. Heavy stuff for a kid from the middle of nowhere. It was at that program that I discovered the charms of smart girls and late-night cigars. No, not like Billy Clinton (I know what you're thinking).

Fortunately for me, I was raised by two parents who encouraged intelligent thought and open discussion - and who expected you to back up your statements with facts, not feeeelings. I'm sure that a lot of my fellow attendees are the sort of baby boomers who set my teeth on edge now when I meet them.

The type of liberal arts people from those days, even though a few were openly disdainful of middle-class values, would have no place among the wild-eyed left wing nuts that came on the scene after the summer of "peace and love". So, I would not encourage my grandchildren to attend any of these programs. Sad, really.
79 posted on 02/14/2006 6:38:43 PM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: TaxRelief
Crusades: evil -- I agree that killing people in the name of conversion is terrible.

Jihad: (to him) not worth talking about -- I would contend that it is worth mentioning in the realm of evil.

What is the point of believing in a religion if you don't consider it to be the true path to God? I see no point.

80 posted on 02/14/2006 7:39:12 PM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: thehumanlynx

http://www.campbell.edu/news/releases/sp05/ns_rel0040.html



I found this. It seems that this man does address the evil prvalent in Islam today. I cannot find the quote where he speciffically says crusades. It looks like people are misrepresenting this guy because they don't like this school.


81 posted on 02/14/2006 8:33:33 PM PST by sangrila
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To: TaxRelief

http://www.campbell.edu/news/releases/sp05/ns_rel0040.html



I found this. It seems that this man does address the evil prvalent in Islam today. I cannot find the quote where he speciffically says crusades. It looks like people are misrepresenting this guy because they don't like this school.


82 posted on 02/14/2006 8:34:46 PM PST by sangrila
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To: thehumanlynx

"I wonder which religion's he focused on? What his test was?

For instance: Is a person of power who claims to speak with a higher power that leads us into a war for oil likely involved in an evil religion? (kimball answers his own rhetoric... YES, that mans religion is no doubt evil)

Does a religion seek to deny rights to deserving segments of society like homosexuals? (kimball again: absolutely, Christianity is an antiquated evil religion that seeks to destroy the world in the name of "Jesus". )

Are religions whose practitioners are forced to fight oppression by whatever means necessary evil? (kimball says: No, they are simply surviving, if Israel would stop their oppression of the Palestinians and the US would halt its imperialism on the world then no Muslim would have to attack the US or Israel)

This is all speculation but my guess, after reading a bit about these schools, is that his speech wasn't ideologically far off of my guess.

I can only hope I am dead wrong."





You are about as wrong as you could possibly be. Maybe you should take a little time to learn something about someone's ideas instead of applying your unfounded, ignorant generalities to them. “Angel of Vision: Christians and the Middle East” That was the title of another book by Kimball. He sure sounds like a rampaging anti-Christian. Most of the stuff I've read about him has to do with his criticism of Islam.


83 posted on 02/14/2006 8:45:40 PM PST by sangrila
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To: thehumanlynx; TaxRelief

http://www.wfu.edu/~kimball/bio.html


84 posted on 02/14/2006 8:48:23 PM PST by sangrila
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To: TaxRelief
the use of malevolent ends to achieve religious goals (e.g., the Crusades)

Ugh. This guy is ignorant of history. If not for the Crusades, Europe would have been overrun by the Mohammedans, and this spokesperson for the National Council of Churches would be speaking Arabic.

86 posted on 02/15/2006 5:36:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: sangrila
Thanks for the advice. I didn't have time to go searching out his politics. I didn't APPLY my unfounded, ignorant generalities. I never claimed thats what he said, I simply wondered.

I wonder which religion's he focused on? What his test was?

Pay special note to the last 2 sentences. I clearly state that this is speculation, and I hoped I was wrong, ...

This is all speculation but my guess, after reading a bit about these schools, is that his speech wasn't ideologically far off of my guess.

I can only hope I am dead wrong

Thanks a lot for implying that I was propagating a lie about this man, which I was not. I simply speculated as to his content based on what I've read about the schools curriculum.

So, maybe you should follow your own advice and take a little time to learn something about someone's ideas by reading the content of my post. I never applied those words to Kimball, I stated that I wondered what he did in my first sentence, and noted that it was all speculation in the 2nd to last sentence. So calm down with your unfounded, ignorant generalities about me and what I was saying.

I repeat, hopefully I was dead wrong and it seems I am - that is a good thing. So your indignation is misplaced. I'd say an apology is in order.

87 posted on 02/15/2006 5:54:32 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: sangrila
If only we could get Kimball on the forum to debate his ideas...

And we'd love to deepen our understanding of his involvement with the NCC Middle East.
Collection Plates for Communism--The National Council of Churches

Since its founding in 1950, the New York City-based National Council of Churches (NCC) has remained faithful to the legacy of its predecessor, the Communist front-group known as the Federal Council of Churches, which the NCC absorbed in 1950. At one time an unabashed apostle of the Communist cause, the NCC has today recast itself as a leading representative of the so-called religious Left. Adhering to what it has described as "liberation theology"--that is, Marxist ideology disguised as Christianity--the NCC lays claim to a membership of 36 Protestant, Anglican and Orthodox Christian denominations, and some 50 million members in over 140,000 congregations.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the NCC has soft-pedaled its radical message, dressing up its demands for global collectivization and its rejection of democratic capitalism in the garb of religious teachings. Yet the organization’s history suggests that it was—and remains—a devout backer of a gallery of socialist governments. In the 1950s and 1960s, under cover of charity, the NCC provided financial succor to the Communist regimes in Yugoslavia and Poland, funneling money to both through its relief agency, the Church World Service. In the 1970s, working with its Geneva-based parent organization, the World Council of Churches, the NCC supplied financial support for Soviet-sponsored incursions into Africa, aiding the terrorist rampages of Communist guerrillas in Zimbabwe, Namibia, Mozambique, and Angola.

As one of the leading contributors to the Program to Combat Racism (a program created in 1939 by the NCC-parent group, the World Council of Churches, and discontinued in 1996), the NCC played a central role in subsidizing revolutionary Communist movements in the Third World. Sensitive to the controversy which over the years has enveloped the Program to Combat Racism (PCR), the WCC has consistently declined to divulge both the contributors to, and the recipients of, the program. The WCC has gone so far as to establish an independent budget, the Special Fund to Combat Racism, in order to conceal details about the funding of the program. Despite these efforts, the WCC has not been entirely successful in obscuring the PCR's paper trail.

An August 1982 report by Reader's Digest revealed that during the 1970s the PCR disbursed over $5 million to some 130 organizations in 30 countries. While the WCC held fast to the claim that the funds were directed solely toward those organizations dedicated to fighting racism, the facts suggested otherwise. According to the Reader's Digest report, more than half of the money that went to the PCR wound up in the hands of Communist guerrillas. The report further traced PCR funds to a series of Communist rampages in Africa. During the 1970s, over $78,000 went to Cuba's Soviet-sponsored MPLA to foment Communist revolution in Angola; some $120,000 went to the Marxist FRELIMO in Mozambique; and another $832,000 to Namibia's Communist regime, the SWAPO; another grant, for $108,000, was funneled to the Patriotic Front in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia), a Communist guerrilla force whose campaign of indiscriminate terror claimed the lives of 207 white civilians, 1,721 blacks, and nine missionaries as well as their children. In the face of this grim evidence, PCR administrators--many of whom were culled from the ranks of the NCC--continued to push the line that, rather than bankrolling Communist death squads, the organization was simply supporting "liberation movements." From this position the WCC has never wavered. In an archival overview of the PRC, published in 2004, the WCC dusted off its claim that "the main aim of the PCR is to define, propose and carry out ecumenical policies and programs that substantially contribute to the liberation of the victims of racism."

Other beneficiaries of the NCC's leftist philanthropy included El Salvador’s Sandinista guerrillas. Using the Evangelical Committee for Aid to Development (CEPAD), an organization established to distribute the charity donations collected by U.S. churches in Latin America—and whose leadership openly professed solidarity with the Sandinistas’ Marxist aims--the NCC made common cause with the Sandinista government in Nicaragua, contributing nearly $400,000 to the Sandinista Party between 1981 and 1983. Documents seized from El Salvador's guerrillas in 1983 revealed yet another Communist group on the take from the NCC's collection plate.

Another of the NCC's leftist faith-based initiatives is support for Communist Cuba. Having pushed for the United States to normalize relations with the Castro regime since 1968, the NCC throughout the Cold War pressed its considerable authority on moral issues into the service of whitewashing the hard-line regime’s record of oppression. In 1977, after heading a delegation of American church officials to Cuba, the Methodist bishop James Armstrong, who would be elected NCC president the following year, issued a report that may justifiably be described as supportive of the murderous dictatorship. "There is a significant difference," Armstrong insisted, "between situations where people are imprisoned for opposing regimes designed to perpetuate inequities, as in Chile and Brazil, for example, and situations were people are imprisoned for opposing regimes designed to remove inequities, as in Cuba."

88 posted on 02/15/2006 6:40:50 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: thehumanlynx

Post #88 exposes Kimball completely.

Ask yourself: Who was there to counter the claims made at these speeches? Are pro-democracy groups allowed on the campus to share the information in post #88, or are these kids sitting ducks for communist brainwashing wrapped in the guise of "love the bomber" Christianity?


89 posted on 02/15/2006 6:45:31 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: TaxRelief

We need to wake up homos want our children - many gay men are after boys and are predators. When they are caught they are never identified as homo only a pedophile. Wake up - homosex is not just a choice but a method to destroy the family, morals and religion.


90 posted on 02/15/2006 6:55:32 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: TaxRelief
in post 87- I said it seems I am wrong.

I guess that needs further investigation. My initial guess was that Kimball was likely to engage in some sort of leftist agenda. That other fella said some nasty things to me. According to your post Kimball was not as stand up a guy as thought to be, although he still may not have attacked christianity...

I guess the upshot is that if my kid is invited to one of these schools I will decline.

91 posted on 02/15/2006 7:33:25 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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NCC member churches USA:

http://www.ncccusa.org/members/index.html

* African Methodist Episcopal Church
* The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
* Alliance of Baptists
* American Baptist Churches in the USA
* The Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America
* Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
* Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
* Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
* Church of the Brethren
* The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
* The Episcopal Church
* Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
* Friends United Meeting
* Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
* Hungarian Reformed Church in America
* International Council of Community Churches
* Korean Presbyterian Church in America
* Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
* Mar Thoma Church
* Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
* National Baptist Convention of America
* National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
* National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
* Orthodox Church in America
* Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
* Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
* Polish National Catholic Church of America
* Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
* Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
* Reformed Church in America
* Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
* The Swedenborgian Church
* Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
* Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
* United Church of Christ
* The United Methodist Church
92 posted on 02/15/2006 7:35:55 AM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: TaxRelief

He first suspected that things were not right when he noticed that the stools in the Bio Lab were all upside-down.


93 posted on 02/15/2006 8:23:57 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: WayneS
So what does a seminar on homosexuality, taught by gay activists, have to do with furthering academic or performing arts excellence?

How dare you ask such a relevant question? Just for that, the thought police are watching you....

94 posted on 02/15/2006 8:29:01 AM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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To: TaxRelief

I pulled this excerpt off the NCC resolution.


"Reaffirming these beliefs more than a year after the tragedy of September 11, 2001, we offer the following reflections.

We celebrate and give thanks to God for the courage, selfless service, sacrifice, commitment, and generosity of our leaders, public service workers, and countless others who will never be known, who gave their lives, labor, resources, and compassion in response to this crisis. We express particular gratitude to President George W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush, and other national, state, and local leaders for their efforts to promote respect for religious diversity in this country and abroad."





Post #88 does not prove anything other than the fact that you applied certain statements and actions of certain people in huge organiztion to one man. The NCC is a council of various churches. People on the council represent a very broad spectrum of ideas, some of which are represented in your post, and some of which are the exact opposite. You just choose facts that support your generalization. The organization is designed to promote dialouge between various denominations. It is like a congress of for various Christian denominations. Some members are more liberal than others. According to Wikipedia the council "has repeatedly denied membership to Metropolitan Community Church," which is a large, liberal church that is very open and accomodating to gays and lesbians.

I provided a list of the various churches who have representatives on this council. These are all the churches you insulted and labeled as communists. Quite an accomplishment to insult that many people. I will also note that many of the criticisms the NCC has made of the US and Israel have been also expressed by the Vatican. These people are legitamately pacifist for the most part and they will criticize any violence. I don't agree with their views 100%, but I respect them because that is what Jesus really taught.




African Methodist Episcopal Church -- [2]
The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
Alliance of Baptists -- [3]
American Baptist Churches USA -- [4]
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America -- [5]
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) -- [6]
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church -- [7]
Church of the Brethren -- [8]
The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America -- [9]
The Episcopal Church in the United States of America -- [10]
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America -- [11]
Friends United Meeting -- [12]
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America -- [13]
Hungarian Reformed Church in America -- [14]
International Council of Community Churches -- [15]
Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Mar Thoma Church -- [16]
Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province -- [17]
National Baptist Convention of America -- [18]
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. -- [19]
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America -- [20]
Orthodox Church in America -- [21]
Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA -- [22]
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends -- [23]
Polish National Catholic Church of America -- [24]
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) -- [25]
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc. -- [26]
Reformed Church in America -- [27]
Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada -- [28]
The Swedenborgian Church of North America -- [29]
Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch -- [30]
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America -- [31]
United Church of Christ -- [32]
The United Methodist Church


95 posted on 02/15/2006 1:49:51 PM PST by sangrila
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To: thehumanlynx

I was not nasty to you. I just said you should not generalize. Post #88 had nothing to do with Kimball. The poster was attempting to blame Kimball for all of the actions of the NCC, kind of like Ted Kennedy did to Alito with that CAP thing. Nothing in that post was relevant to this discussion. I believe George W. Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, who is a member of the NCC, so I guess he is implicated in the post also, along with a majority of Protestants and Orthodox Chritians in the US. The fact is Kimball is very sympathetic to the muslim people, but everything I've read by him is harshly critical of Islamic terrorists. He contends that the extremists really are a minority in that region. I don't totally agree with him, but that opinion hardly makes him a communist. I think the other poster was just embarrassed because he had been attacking the man without any facts, and he felt foolish.


96 posted on 02/15/2006 2:22:49 PM PST by sangrila
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To: sangrila
Correct. The churches you have listed (which I also listed) are sending money to an organization that is actively promoting and supporting communism.

Please read all the posts carefully and refute them on the merits. For instance:

Do you deny that $78,000 of NCC money, collected from these churches, went to Cuba's Soviet-sponsored MPLA to foment Communist revolution in Angola?

Do you deny that $120,000 of NCC money, collected from these churches, went to the Marxist FRELIMO in Mozambique?

Do you deny that another $832,000 of NCC money, collected from these churches, to Namibia's Communist regime, the SWAPO?

Do you deny that $108,000, of NCC money, collected from these churches, was funneled to the Patriotic Front in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia), a Communist guerrilla force whose campaign of indiscriminate terror claimed the lives of 207 white civilians, 1,721 blacks, and nine missionaries as well as their children?
97 posted on 02/15/2006 2:32:00 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: sangrila
Actually, Kimball was actively employed by the NCC Middle East office. Furthermore, he actively brags of his involvement and employment with this group which, for instance, according to documents seized from El Salvador's guerrillas in 1983, contributed nearly $400,000 to the Sandinista Party between 1981 and 1983. The NCC to this day offers its unwavering support of Castro's communist regime.

Kimball joined the NCC after they were outed in 1983. Kimball knowingly aligned himself with a known communist front group, and to this day brags about his involvement.

President Bush's involvement with the UMC is regrettable.

98 posted on 02/15/2006 2:43:31 PM PST by TaxRelief (Wal-Mart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: WayneS

maybe it's "how to be village people"


99 posted on 02/15/2006 2:44:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Aquinasfan

no, there would be no NCC and it would be the National Counsel of Mosques.


100 posted on 02/15/2006 2:51:53 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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