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Hate kids? You're not alone
New York Daily News ^ | February 27, 2006 | MICHELE INGRASSIA

Posted on 02/27/2006 10:48:23 AM PST by presidio9

There are 2 billion children running around the planet and five new ones born every second. But don't expect any pink-and-blue congratulations from Adrianne Frost. In fact, the author and comedian would be just as happy if you took every little bugger and muzzled him — on the subway, in stores, in restaurants, churches, parks and, well, everywhere.

Treasonous? Exactly!

"You have every right not to like children who are ill-behaved," says Frost, who puts just about anyone under 3 feet tall in that category. "Just because they're children doesn't mean that it's okay for them to act the way they do. Throughout history, people have said they're a gift from God, but he doesn't have to eat dinner with them."

If it sounds like Frost isn't in the running for the Angelina Jolie mother-of-the-year award, she doesn't apologize. To the contrary, she's the author of the new book, "I Hate Other People's Kids" (Simon Spotlight Entertainment, $9.95) and part of a vocal minority that believes children should be not-seen and not-heard. Especially when they're sitting behind you on a plane.

"I come from a place of intense, severe hatred of kids — I have no maternal instincts whatsoever," agrees comedian Jackie Hoffman, who has made child-loathing part of her act. "It's hard to explain to others because there is such a disgusting worship of kids. One of my friends still hates me because I kicked over her kid's stroller at a birthday party — and the kid wasn't even in it."

True, child worship is as old as gold, frankincense and myrrh. But Frost argues that it reached zealot proportions when baby boomers started procreating, treating their pregnancies like the Second Coming and flashing little Baby on Board signs on their cars. Who would dare think saints could misbehave?

"People used to discipline children more," says Hoffman. "But now this revolting love of them rules the world, this tiptoeing around and asking, 'What do you want?'"

What bugs baby-bashers? Frost counts the ways: Kids who throw tantrums in the aisles of Toys "R" Us or poop in the middle of Pizza Hut; kids who think they're brighter than Beethoven or sexier than Britney; kids who insist on singing in the middle of your romantic dinner-for-two or whining in the middle of your dinner party for 20. And all the parents who think they're totally adorable in their badness.

It's not just self-proclaimed loathers who get riled. Take a walk through the Manhattan Mall on any afternoon, and there's no shortage of moms and dads, aunts and uncles willing to admit they sometimes want to pop other peoples' pests.

"My cousin has a 2-year-old whoalways asks for tea," says Anderson Young of Brooklyn. "But she doesn't really want it. She just takes the bottle and throws it out the window — and her mother just laughs."

"I used to work in day care, and the worst was the boy who went to the bathroom in the teacher's coat closet," says Katie, from the Bronx, who asked that her full name not be used. "We kept saying, 'What's that smell?' And then we found out." "Yesterday, when I went to pick up my daughter, my nephew, who's 2, said to me, 'Hey, s—,'" said a still-shocked Lisa Lee of Hollis. "I said, 'What did you say?' and he just laughed and skedaddled."

What's the solution? Though child psychologists prescribe firmness and consistency as a way to keep troublemakers from becoming tyrants, Frost has other suggestions for training not just kids but their parents, who think they need to emblazon every T-shirt and mug with their kid's likeness; who think it's hilarious when their kid sits on the cat; who think everyone wants to see the video of junior emerging from the womb.

In a word, says Frost, retaliate. Stand next to a store-screamer and scream at the top of your lungs. Trip the kid who keeps bumping into you "accidentally." Laminate your Pap smear and hang it on the fridge. Or photograph the Prada loafers you snagged at 80% off and share the snapshot with strangers.

But don't think it's enough to cleanse the soul of an unrepentant child-loather. "People with kids will say, 'You'll come around,' or 'You don't really hate kids, do you?'" says Hoffman.

"The answer is, Yes, I do."

How to deal

How do you tame the baby beast having a four-star meltdown when you're having a quiet dinner with your honey? Or the kid kicking you on the 13-hour flight to Tokyo? Or the one who left a load in his diaper while you're sniffing new perfumes at Bendel's? Some tips from the pros on how to tame them:

* Speak up, gently, but firmly: "I was at a pool years ago, and a little boy was dunking girls' faces in the water," says Alice Sterling Honig, professor emerita of child development at Syracuse University. "I told him to keep his hands to himself. He said, 'Lady, you're not the boss of the pool.' I said, 'Yes, I am. Grownups know the rules to keep you safe.'"

* Divert his attention: Faced with a child who can't stop crying and whining, talk to him — about SpongeBob, about the flowers in the park, about the puppy across the street, about anything but his tantrum. Honig saysit'll distract him from the kvetching. * Massage the meltdown: Freakouts usually mean a tired, overstressed child. "Sometimes, you can say, 'Gee, it's very hard to be with grownups,'" Honig says. In a restaurant, she'll even plop her big, old winter coat on the floor and suggest the weary whiner take a nap.

* Take it outside: You know her: The girl who feels a song coming on just as you're digging into your rare tuna. "Say to her, or her parents,'Do you think the other people in the restaurant want to hear your song? Or do they want to talk to each other?'" Honig says. "If she needs to sing, maybe Daddy can take her outside."

* Mommy sharing: If she knows kids are going to be squeezing onto the sofa with her and her friends, Honig brings out a dreidel and shows the tyke how to use it. And if the child still demands to be the focus of the conversation? "I turn to her and say, 'Alice has been playing with you and reading to you, and now I need to talk to Daddy for a while.'"

* Quit kicking: It's every traveler's nightmare: The kid behind you on the train or plane who won't stop kicking or slamming his tray table. You don't have to seethe and endure it. "I complain," says Manhattan child psychologist Constance Katz. "There's also the option of calling the stewardess. But short of a parent being willing to hold their feet down for the entire flight, it's not going to be a perfect solution."

* Set limits: Maybe you can't do it with other people's kids, but you can make yours more pleasant for other people. "There are very nice, well-meaning parents who are raising very tyrannical, imperious children because they can't tolerate making the child feel frustrated," Katz says. "They resolve not to do something and then weaken in the face of protest. And the more the parent holds out, the more the kid protests." Child's lesson learned: Have a meltdown in Kmart and you will get that new Birthday Bratz. And if you just want to have some harmless fun at the little monster's expense?

* Stare: Especially when they're running wild or laughing themselves silly, author Adrianne Frost suggests perfecting the art of the glare. "Don't avert your gaze until they back away slowly, and then cheerily go back to shopping," she says.

* Warn them: Away from the parents, beckon them over and tell them you'll call Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Grandma if they don't shape up. And remember, writes Frost, "Say it with a smile."

* Join in: If the child is screaming and squirming on the floor or clanging the shopping cart, stand next to him and let it rip. Sing at the top of your lungs! Lay on the ground next and scream! Whine that you want your youth back! Says Frost, "I guarantee, they'll be so confused, they'll stop what they're doing."

Originally published on February 27, 2006


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: behavior; childlesscouples; children; culturewar; demographics; discipline; familyvalues; kids; littleangels; monsters; singles; thenextgeneration
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To: presidio9

Then there are people who freak out just because they see a child, even when the child is perfectly quiet. Those are the people I despise.


121 posted on 02/27/2006 11:58:00 AM PST by HungarianGypsy (`)
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To: Potowmack

Another pet peeve of mine is people who refer to children as a "miracle."



...or "our most precious resource."

If there is any resource that is more renewable, I'd like to hear about it.


122 posted on 02/27/2006 11:58:47 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: XR7
Gosh God seems to have a comment on everything....I consider my bible my owners manual....God tends to nudge me when it is time for another tune up
123 posted on 02/27/2006 11:58:52 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: Al Gator
It's true, I positively love the look of terror they get when they think they're gonna have to take mommy home in a shopping bag.

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I believe you. I believe you. :)

124 posted on 02/27/2006 11:59:05 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
You know, I've noticed that most ill-behaved children have ill-behaved parents

That's the ticket - it's not the little brats fault - it's mommy and daddy who won't raise their children properly.

Any kid is going to act like a monster if no one stops them - it's human nature. The problem is these parents who will not discipline their kids or teach them how to act in public.

I've asked some of these parents, "What would your mother have done to you if you spoke to her like that?" The answer is usually, "She would have beat the living tar out of me." When I ask the logical follow-up question, "Then why are you not beating the tar out of your little monster?", they usually reply, "I don't believe in spanking a child."

My response to that is, "Then let me do it!"

125 posted on 02/27/2006 12:00:01 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: presidio9

This chick (in the article) is not fit to mate. It works like that.


126 posted on 02/27/2006 12:00:01 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: girlangler

"Also, I discovered, many years ago, a good way to stop a temper tantrum in a store. When the kid is screaming "I WANT THAT TOY," simply drop to the ground, contort your face, and scream "I want a Mercedes, I want a new house, I want a cruise," and scream it to the top of your lungs, just like the kid. "

LOL...I did exactly that and it worked....only at that time I wanted a BMW...


127 posted on 02/27/2006 12:02:38 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Obadiah

Good for you with your kids! My aunt and uncle get the same comments with their kids. It's such a shame that it's not the norm anymore to have well behaved children.


128 posted on 02/27/2006 12:04:34 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: tgusa

...Hillary's "It Takes A Village" is what these little monsters are all about....


129 posted on 02/27/2006 12:04:58 PM PST by auto power
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To: Billthedrill
The problem is, of course, the parents. One seldom encounters this sort of thing in Japan because not only do one's own parents have the right to make you stop, so do other adults.

Japan still can't make enough babies, so there must be something to it besides behavior, though I think that's part of it.

130 posted on 02/27/2006 12:05:59 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: presidio9; Tax-chick; Gabz; backinthefold
You know what I hate?

Let's start with the ubiquitous cell phone. I hate having to wait to take someone's order because they are on their phone, reliving what a great time they just had clubbing, all the while knowing that the person doing the talking is going to bitch and moan that their food took so long in coming.

I hate women who wear uber-low cut blouses--so low that their bazumbas are one thread away from revealing all. Ditto short-shorts and low riders.

I hate when adults give no thought to the level of their voice when in public, especially when every other sentence begins with "F***", details a sexual escapade, or covers any other topic that a normal person wouldn't discuss with their mom. If it's not good enough for mom, why inflict it on the rest of the world?

I could go on--believe me, I could!--but one of my snotty little brats is requiring my attention.

131 posted on 02/27/2006 12:06:30 PM PST by grellis (can't sleep clown will eat me)
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To: Potowmack
OK your comment was toooo funny.

I put ankle weights on my eldest when he was 2. We wanted to market them as child control devices....he could not walk when he had them on.

Before I get blasted we only tried it once but it was pretty funny at the time.
132 posted on 02/27/2006 12:07:10 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: Potowmack
OK your comment was toooo funny.

I put ankle weights on my eldest when he was 2. We wanted to market them as child control devices....he could not walk when he had them on.

Before I get blasted we only tried it once but it was pretty funny at the time.
133 posted on 02/27/2006 12:07:13 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: RolandBurnam

I don’t hate kids, but I do hate parents who bring their colicky baby on airplanes.

Look if you want to have kids, that fine, but you shouldn’t fly with the kid five years or so.


134 posted on 02/27/2006 12:08:51 PM PST by ElTianti
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To: rudabaga
absolutely. when their nasty little brats misbehave and you look at the parents with that plaintiff, "please do something" look, they just think you're nuts because their kid is such a little darling to them. people raise what they are, and most people suck.

I bet you live in an area infested with Democrats and liberals.

135 posted on 02/27/2006 12:09:18 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Potowmack
She's actually a good kid- she's three years old and she already knows how to fetch me beers from the fridge. Next year, I'm teaching her how to mix martinis.

It's sad that you think that's amusing.

136 posted on 02/27/2006 12:09:20 PM PST by andrew2527
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To: Kimmers

We had a friend who kept a flyswatter in the car to whack the kids in the backseat.


137 posted on 02/27/2006 12:10:24 PM PST by Hoodlum91 (pcottraux says I'm special!)
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To: presidio9
Brats don't raise themselves! ;)
138 posted on 02/27/2006 12:10:31 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: trisham

Must be a Scottish kinda thing. I know it is in my case.


139 posted on 02/27/2006 12:10:44 PM PST by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: angcat

Thank you. We'll just keep praying and trusting God that we'll be able to have another one some day.


140 posted on 02/27/2006 12:12:12 PM PST by arizonarachel (wear our the cats? 2-24-06)
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