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Bye-bye baby (Childfree and Loving It)
Telegraph ^ | February 26, 2006 | Julia Llewellyn Smith

Posted on 02/28/2006 1:23:15 AM PST by beaversmom

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1 posted on 02/28/2006 1:23:17 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: TXBubba

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2 posted on 02/28/2006 1:23:35 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom
"You go through all that and all you have at the end of it is a baby?"

Then a toddler, a child, a teen, an adult, a posterity.

3 posted on 02/28/2006 1:25:01 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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4 posted on 02/28/2006 1:26:13 AM PST by beaversmom
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They'll under-breed themselves out of existence.

Meanwhile, the ever more extremist Muslims of Britain have five (slightly exaggerated) kids each.


5 posted on 02/28/2006 1:31:24 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: beaversmom
And there are compelling statistics to back up Anne-Marie's decision. Surveys show that people who choose not to have children (as opposed to those who desperately want them, but can't) tend to have better marriages, better finances and are no more likely to be unhappy in old age than parents.

For just one generation. At max.

After that, they are all dead!

6 posted on 02/28/2006 1:33:07 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Posterity comes when the son sticks you in a nursing home, because the new honey doesn't want you around.


7 posted on 02/28/2006 2:24:21 AM PST by iPod Shuffle
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To: beaversmom

The good news is self-absorbed, high-maintenance women will not reproduce more offspring like themselves.


8 posted on 02/28/2006 2:28:35 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: beaversmom

Being a academic educated man and living in good ole Europe I am quite familiar with women who refuse to multiply. The proportion of childless academic women is around 40% here in Germany. During the time I attended univercity nearly all my girlfriends (I had a few) told me that they only want to become pregnant if it will be compatible with their career. Since being pregnant and having kids is never compatible with careers, quite a lot of them never will have a own family.

Another effect of this standpoint is, that others of them are desperately trying to get pregnant when their time to be fertile is simply over after they reconsidered the whole thing. Not all couples are able to get kids when they hit the 40ties.

Last but not least many men simply do not want to have children anymore when they are 40, 50 or even 60. Since it is typical that many woman are much younger than their husbands it can be a real problem for men to start a (new) family in their mid 50ties. I wouldn't do that either. Besides there is a broad movement among European men to renounce traditional families because the divorce rate is at nearly 50%. It is not funny to be a cash cow. The changed moral conditions made it easy in western Europe to live with girlfriends without being married. Nobody cares about the sexual behavoiur of others as long as no one has to deal with material loss or damage.

I am among those who did it quite traditional. I am married to the nicest and prettiest girl you can think of and our three wild little boys are the proof that it was worth doing it.

The funny thing is, that we have many childless female friends with academic grades in their late 30ties, who are absolutely crazy about my kids. Sometimes the boys are really fed up with their "aunts" trying to kiss them all over. Although of course they like the expensive gifts, they hate being a substitute for some frustated friends of ours. We even had to cool down some relationships a bit. Do not get me wrong - not all women are that way, but some are for sure.

I think it is a fact that human nature can not be tricked. If a woman decides to live without her own kids (this can be very reasonable in some cases) she usually has to pay a bitter price.


9 posted on 02/28/2006 2:32:07 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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I am married to the nicest and prettiest girl you can think of and our three wild little boys are the proof that it was worth doing it.

That's terrific! Thank you for your perspective from across the Atlantic.

10 posted on 02/28/2006 2:39:46 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

The self-absorption of the women interviewed in this piece is truly breathtaking. I'm glad that they have decided not to reproduce.


11 posted on 02/28/2006 2:43:07 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Your post is an interesting personal account. I understand Ms. Merkel is asking Germans to have more children. Another article on this site spoke of the coming demographic implosion in England and what steps the government might take to change things. I am not convinced government can. There is a spiritual aspect to childbearing/rearing that I think Europe has lost in some ways. One of the women quoted in the article seems to deride Americans who go to church. Sheesh. This lady, and others like her, are trying hard to convince themselves of something that, deep within, the are not comfortable with.


12 posted on 02/28/2006 2:46:23 AM PST by Draco
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Boy you folks are quite "high and mighty". You think your better than these people who don't want kids ... you sound like the liberal elites you rail against all the time.

What a bunch of hypocrites!

So ... these folks don't want kids ... so what! I have three friends (couples) who have kids and all the problems I hear from them is about their kids ... and sometimes "worthless" kids --- their words not mine.

Some people (like me) are smart enough to know we were not cut out to have kids. Be glad we REALIZE this. How many times have you read stories or hear news stories about kids being abused by their parent(s) and said "boy ... some people shouldn't be aloud to have kids". Well, if they had decided not to have them, then these stories of horror to children would not happen.

So get off your high horses and apply the "freedom and liberty" view point we all here at FR like to express about other things to people who don't want kids.
13 posted on 02/28/2006 3:10:35 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: Draco
I am not convinced government can. There is a spiritual aspect to childbearing/rearing that I think Europe has lost in some ways.

I think you are right--and you can't legislate that--at least not in the west. The remedies that I have read all have to do with money incentives and parental leave. That kind of government remedy won't work and is part of the reason they are having problems to begin with.

14 posted on 02/28/2006 3:10:53 AM PST by beaversmom
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Hopefully she will be dead before the Muzzies come to lop off her head. Such a thing is really not very pleasant at all. Of course, if nobody has babies in the West, such a thing is quite inevitable.


15 posted on 02/28/2006 3:15:14 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: MaDuce
Some people (like me) are smart enough to know we were not cut out to have kids. Be glad we REALIZE this.

Of all the comments posted to this story, you chose mine to respond to.

Go back and read my comment. You'll find that you and I are in complete agreement.

16 posted on 02/28/2006 3:22:27 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: MaDuce

I suggest that you should get off your own horse and allow other people to express their opinions. If you don't like those opinions, simply leave the thread. Nobody is making you read it.

THAT is the freedom and liberty of FreeRepublic.


17 posted on 02/28/2006 3:22:31 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: beaversmom

Meanwhile, the Muslim population continues to grow.


18 posted on 02/28/2006 3:23:42 AM PST by shekkian
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don't worry. the children self absorbed women dont have will be replaced babies from welfare queens and bums. And then some


20 posted on 02/28/2006 3:29:02 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Someday a real rain will come and wipe this scum off the streets.)
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