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Neoconservatives: The new hippies
Daily Colonial ^ | Wednesday, February 22 2006 | Danny Kampf

Posted on 02/28/2006 8:46:11 PM PST by jb6

Edited on 02/28/2006 11:09:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: MNJohnnie
You notice how these guys spew lefty propaganda? They are actually the hippies -- that's where their ideas come from.
142 posted on 02/28/2006 10:42:25 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: jb6
helped the Baathists, or rather the CIA.

OK Mr Confused. Post a link to your source that the CIA helped the Baathists. I say it is a myth. Utter nonsense. Prove me wrong.

143 posted on 02/28/2006 10:42:51 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: jb6
Your link is to an ultra-leftist propaganda site.

You are very confused if you are sincere.

145 posted on 02/28/2006 10:44:09 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

LOL. That's the way I see it too.


146 posted on 02/28/2006 10:44:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: MJY1288
Now we have people here agreeing with flaming Liberals like this goof ball who wrote this nonsense.

Anything to trash Bush.

147 posted on 02/28/2006 10:45:53 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: tallhappy

He'll be posting Sherman Skolnick next as gospel.


148 posted on 02/28/2006 10:46:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: jb6

"It inherently rejects both “Fortress America” isolationism and Kissingerian realism in favor of an activist foreign policy of promoting human rights and propagating democracy.

What liberal could disagree with that? "

That about says it all...LOL


150 posted on 02/28/2006 10:49:02 PM PST by Revel
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To: Jim Robinson
But of course he is the true conservative!
151 posted on 02/28/2006 10:49:20 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: William Creel
"Hussein put himself into power, and the Baathists took over before that. We had nothing to do with either."

Actually we did but it's a non-issue post 9/11. The US supported Saddam prior to his becoming the mass murdering dictator from hell.

152 posted on 02/28/2006 10:51:43 PM PST by Earthdweller ("West to Islam" Cake. Butter your liberals, slowly cook France, stir in Europe then watch it rise.)
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To: jb6
Did you bother to check your source? It is wacko Anti American Leftist website. It claims to quote an American Diplomat who says it was no big deal that a bunch of people got shot because they were just Commies. The Comies never RAN Iraq. The King was over thrown by a Military Coup in 1958. The Batthist took power in a Coup in 1963 The "source" you quote provides NO foot note to verfiy where it got its "evidence". And it makes statements that are demonstrably a LIE. The CIA had NOTHING to do with the Batthist OVERTHOWING the MILITARY Govt.

The Republic Inspired by Gamâl `Abd an-Nâsir, officers from the Nineteenth Brigade known as "Free Officers", under the leadership of Brigadier `Abd al-Karîm Qâsim (known as "az-Za`îm", 'the leader') and Colonel `Abd as-Salâm `Arif overthrew the Hâshimite monarchy on 14 July 1958. King Faysâl II and `Abd al-Ilâh were executed in the gardens of ar-Rihâb Palace. Their bodies (and those of many others in the royal family) were displayed in public. Nûrî as-Sa`îd evaded capture for one day, but after attempting to escape disguised as a veiled woman, he was caught and shot.

The new government proclaimed Iraq to be a republic and rejected the idea of a union with Jordan. Iraq's activity in the Baghdâd Pact ceased.

When Qâsim distanced himself from `Abd an-Nâsir, he faced growing opposition from pro-Egypt officers in the Iraqi army. `Arif, who wanted closer cooperation with Egypt, was stripped of his responsibilities and after a convenient trial thrown in prison.

When the garrison in Mosul rebelled against Qâsim's policies, he allowed the Kurdish leader Barzânî to return from exile in the Soviet Union to help suppress the pro-Nâsir rebels.

In 1961, Kuwait gained independence from Britain and Iraq claimed sovereignty over Kuwait. Britain reacted strongly to Iraq's claim and sent troops to Kuwait to deter Iraq. Qâsim was forced to back down and in October 1963, Iraq recognised the sovereignty of Kuwait.

A period of considerable instability followed. Qâsim was assassinated in February 1963, when the Ba`th Party took power under the leadership of General Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr (prime minister) and Colonel `Abd as-Salâm `Arif (president). Nine months later `Abd as-Salam Muhammad `Arif led a successful coup against the Ba`th government. On 13 April 1966, President `Abd as-Salâm `Arif died in a helicopter crash and was succeeded by his brother, General `Abd ar-Rahman `Arif. Following the Six Day War of 1967, the Ba`th Party felt strong enough to retake power (17 July 1968). Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr became president and chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC).

Barzânî and the Kurds who had begun a rebellion in 1961 were still causing problems in 1969. The secretary-general of the Ba`th party Saddâm Husayn was given responsibility to find a solution. It was clear that it was impossible to defeat the Kurds by military means and in 1970 a political agreement was reached between the rebels and the Iraqi government.

Iraq's economy recovered sharply after the 1968 revolution. The Arif brothers had spent close to 90% of the national budget on the army but the Ba`th government gave priority to agriculture and industry. The British Iraq Petroleum Company monopoly was broken when a new contract was signed with ERAP, a major French oil company. Later the IPC was nationalised. As a result of these policies Iraq experienced fast economic growth.

During the 1970s, border disputes with Iran and Kuwait caused many problems. Kuwait's refusal to allow Iraq to build an harbour in the Shatt al-`Arab delta strengthened Iraq's belief that conservative powers in the region were trying to control the Persian Gulf. Iran's occupation of numerous islands in the Strait of Hormuz didn't help alter Iraq's fears. The border disputes between Iraq and Iran were temporarily resolved with the signing of the Algiers Accord on 6 March 1975.

Saddâm Husayn talking with Ahmad Hasan al-BakrIn 1972 an Iraqi delegation visited Moscow. The same year diplomatic relations with the US were restored. Relations with Jordan and Syria were good. Iraqi troops were stationed in both countries. During the 1973 October War, Iraqi divisions engaged Israeli forces.

In retrospect, the 1970s can be seen as a high point in Iraq's modern history. A new, young, technocratic elite was governing the country and the fast growing economy brought prosperity and stability. Many Arabs outside Iraq considered it an example. However, the following decades would not be so good

153 posted on 02/28/2006 10:52:27 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: MNJohnnie
Did you bother to check your source? It is wacko Anti American Leftist website

Actually, no I didn't. Scanned the article for the info between the CIA and the Baathists. Between typing here and rewriting my wife's resume, I went skimping.

154 posted on 02/28/2006 10:54:17 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
>As I've always said, Neoconservatism is not Conservatism.

Bravo. Well said. Idealism kills. "W" stands for Wilson.

Let's stop the neos before they destroy the Republican party. Let's stop the nonsense in "Iraq", where we're trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

155 posted on 02/28/2006 10:54:45 PM PST by Pragmatist (Our Federal Union: Esto Perpetua!)
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To: Earthdweller
NO we did not. We did NOT support Saddam, that is more Left Wing Anti American Propaganda. The CIA did NOTHING to put Saddam in power. He happened to be related to a Batthist Party boss when they seized power. His Uncle was a Batthist bigshot. WE had nothing to do with it. God the level of willful ignorance of basic Iraqi history is infuriating.
156 posted on 02/28/2006 10:54:57 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: Pragmatist

I suggest you change your name to Neo-Isolationst since their is nothing at all pragmatic about you. Too bad for you your run away and hide Dogma died on 9-11.


157 posted on 02/28/2006 10:56:14 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: Hill of Tara

Proud Paleocon dittos!


158 posted on 02/28/2006 10:56:44 PM PST by Pragmatist (Our Federal Union: Esto Perpetua!)
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To: jb6

Okay.We just do not agree on this topic and I will leave it at that.


159 posted on 02/28/2006 10:58:21 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: Pragmatist

Oooh, another leftist troll chimes in.

zot


160 posted on 02/28/2006 10:58:25 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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