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Neoconservatives: The new hippies
Daily Colonial ^ | Wednesday, February 22 2006 | Danny Kampf

Posted on 02/28/2006 8:46:11 PM PST by jb6

Edited on 02/28/2006 11:09:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: William Creel
OK.

If we end up in a fight with the Muslim world in defense of our values, then we will have no choice but to prosecute the war with as much vigor as possible. The cartoonists are exercising one of the core values of western democracy and ought to be defended.

However, I'd rather not have a fight with the lot of them, if we can avoid it.

221 posted on 03/01/2006 8:25:40 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: William Creel

BTW where in NC are you from? I am in Morganton.


222 posted on 03/01/2006 8:27:24 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Hill of Tara
I prefer just plain old "Conservative".

And unfortunately, getting older all the time.

Sigh.

223 posted on 03/01/2006 8:29:09 AM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: jb6
Strangely enough, the original neoconservatives were radical leftists. To be specific, they were Trotskyites.

lol....no. They were (and are) staunch anti-communists, advocates of free markets and low taxes ("trickle down" economics). Do you know of one Trotskyite/Leftist (radical or otherwise) who believes similarly? Didn't think so.

224 posted on 03/01/2006 8:32:02 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: x5452; 91B

Always find it so intresting the Machos are so quick to forget it is Muslims who are doing most of the fighting and dying on OUR side in the War On Terror.


225 posted on 03/01/2006 8:40:43 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("Good men don't wait for the polls. They stand on principle and fight."-Soul Seeker)
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To: jb6

I have a singer-songwriter friend in Austin who has written a new song called: "Jesus was a Neo-con". I cringed when I first heard him perform it. The author of this piece seems to be talking about Christopher Hitchens.


226 posted on 03/01/2006 8:50:55 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: MNJohnnie

That's definitely true. The Iraqi Army guys we worked with were pretty good guys (except for a few who were probably trying to infiltrate for to provide information to the Islamists). I've spent time in Qatar and Kuwait as well, both countries are firmly on our side.


227 posted on 03/01/2006 8:51:26 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Makes no difference, we could stamp out terror quite easily by making it monumentally detrimental to Muslim countries whenever their citizens engage in terror. Of anyone we have the tools.

Pooring millions into tough and deadly street by street warfare in hopes of isntalling democracy is a solution but it's neither the easiest, quickest, nor the cheapest solution (it may be the most moral solution).


228 posted on 03/01/2006 8:58:06 AM PST by x5452
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To: jb6
An independent thinker (he was originally a leader of the opposition Mensheviks), Trotsky was single handedly responsible for crafting the Red Army into a machine whose purpose was to forcibly spread his idealistic brand of Marxism across the world. Substitute “Marxism” with “democracy” and the leap from Trotskyism to neoconservatism appears remarkably diminutive.

What a way to define an organ of oppression and mass killing!! The writer lives in his own little world.

As for the Neo-cons? He is, of course, right about their Trotskyite connections. They are neither new nor Conservative, only very, very confused. See The Neocon Phenomenon.

William Flax

229 posted on 03/01/2006 9:04:08 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: jb6

I feel like an idiot, because I honestly don't know what neoconservatism means. How is new conservatism different than the old conservatism?


231 posted on 03/01/2006 9:12:50 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: x5452; MNJohnnie
MN, good post. But if our only reason we went to Iraq was to kill terrorists, we were doing fine in Afghanistan. There were other long term strategic reasons. Bracketing Iran was probably one. The other problem is eventually the other side figures out that Iraq isn't the best place to attack. They will begin shifting their efforts to other soft targets. With the recent arrests in the news, I have to wonder if that is what is going on.

If its just about killing folks why not roll out neutron bombs, hit every city that flinches until the mosques are all converted to churches?

Part of me, the dark side, would love to do just that. But that isn't right.
232 posted on 03/01/2006 9:13:46 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: William Creel

I used to drill in little Washington with the 1/119th IN before it went away. Nice area.


233 posted on 03/01/2006 9:14:09 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: jb6
Representative Republics are not fit for all, its not one shoe fits all.

I do believe Pres. Bush thinks that "freedom", defined as a representative democratic political system, was given to America by the Almighty, and that as president it's his duty to bring divinely inspired government to as much of the world as possible. He's on a mission from God.

That zeal to remake the world is a characteristic of the children of the sixties, of which the president is one. Idealism or hubris, it is surely dangerous, as we saw with communism.

234 posted on 03/01/2006 9:22:02 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: redgolum

Problem is the Muslims are 100% that dark side. :/


235 posted on 03/01/2006 9:23:57 AM PST by x5452
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To: jb6
[ Substitute “Marxism” with “democracy” and the leap from Trotskyism to neoconservatism appears remarkably diminutive. ]

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx
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Note; Little wonder because democracy is Mob Rule.. Socialism is merely a symptom of democracy, but democracy is the Social disease.... Socialism is all about Mob Rule.. as is Sharia Law.. Thats why Socialists and Islamists get along so famously.. Monarchy is also Mob Rule except with an abbrevated Mob..

236 posted on 03/01/2006 9:25:30 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: jb6
Substitute “Marxism” with “democracy” and the leap from Trotskyism to neoconservatism appears remarkably diminutive.

The author jumped the shark right about here.

237 posted on 03/01/2006 9:35:47 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: quantim
"Quit drinking the bong water for a start."

That response sounds particularly spot on given that the author's picture pegs him as a clone of a million other liberal know-it-alls from the "pot-is-cool" bygone days.

His "enlightened" views are about as substantive, too.

Maybe next time he'll enlighten us on how the label he gives himself, "liberal", as defined in his use, is unrelated to what that term means in an academic sense.

He joins a long list of those who seek to straighten out the less intelligent and educated masses, and in the end accomplishes little more than being annoying.

238 posted on 03/01/2006 9:40:25 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (It isn't Right vs Left anymore but Right vs WRONG)
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To: RinaseaofDs
I will take a shot at that question,

In foreign policy nonconservatives seem to think that the usa has a moral duty to use it's power (military) to spread Democratic ideals. paleocons feel that the military power should only be used to protect vital American interests. In domestic policy neocons feel big government is good if used wisely. Paleocons see government as a necessary evil that should only be used when all else fails.

239 posted on 03/01/2006 10:00:34 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jb6

I've always defined neoconservatives as domestic liberals who are not pu$$ies about foreign policy.


240 posted on 03/01/2006 10:04:12 AM PST by jmc813 (Sanford/Pence in '08)
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