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Does Deep Earth Host Untapped Fuel?
ABCnews.com ^ | January 19, 2006 | Lee Dye

Posted on 03/05/2006 1:03:29 PM PST by billorites

Thomas Gold was not your typical radical. Far from being a mad scientist, he was a brilliant professor of astronomy at Cornell University, but he succeeded in driving many others mad with theories that flew in the face of conventional wisdom.

His most controversial idea was among his last, and geologists and petroleum experts around the world still rage against Gold for suggesting they were dead wrong in their understanding of how oil and gas are formed in the Earth's crust.

Now, a couple of decades after Gold first suggested that hydrocarbons are formed deep underground by geological processes and not just below the surface by biological decay, there is increasing evidence that he may have been on to something.

If he was wrong, he may have erred only in taking his idea too far. Gold argued that all hydrocarbons are formed in the intense pressure and high heat near the Earth's mantle, around 100 miles under the ground. If he was right, it means the finite limits of the resources that power our cities and our factories and our vehicles have been vastly overstated.

The Heat and Squeeze Technique

Oil and gas fields are continually replenished by hydrocarbons manufactured far below the Earth, he argued. So there is no fuel crisis. As long as the Earth grinds along on its orbit around the sun, hydrocarbons will continue to be produced, and we can all roll along with no fear of running out of gas.

It should be said at this point that virtually no experts believe that to be the case. But several prestigious organizations have found evidence that methane, the main component of natural gas, can indeed be formed under conditions like those found deep in the Earth.

Researchers at the Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory in Washington, D.C., Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Harvard University, Argonne National Laboratory and Indiana University in South Bend have joined forces to see if they can replicate the geological processes that Gold claimed would produce hydrocarbons.

And the evidence so far suggests that methane, at least, can be produced independent of biological materials. When such common materials as iron oxide, calcite and water are squeezed under pressures more than 100,000 times those found at sea level and heated up to 2700 degrees Fahrenheit, methane does form.

That's very close to conditions found 100 miles under the ground. But it's not likely to convince many that Gold was right.

"All we've done is show experimentally that at the pressure at the Earth's mantle and pretty high temperatures you can indeed make methane," says Henry Scott, a physics and geology professor at Indiana University and lead author of a report on the research in a recent issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Scott is pretty sure of that because he's seen it with his own eyes, thanks to a magnificent machine. A diamond anvil, which squeezes material between two diamonds, was used to simulate the pressures found deep within the Earth. And since a microscope can see through the diamonds, the results could be witnessed in real time.

And those results, Scott says, are quite compelling.

"Gold said that when you squeeze things down at very high pressures, the basic chemistry can change," he says. "That's exactly what we are doing."

Scott says he wasn't very optimistic when he first started working with the diamond anvil while at Carnegie. He says it was a slow day on a Friday afternoon when he decided to take some minerals and subject them to enormous pressures and high temperatures.

"I expected nothing to happen," he says. "But sure enough, it formed methane. It was a bit of a shock."

Uncertain Resource

Lawrence Livermore picked up at that point and found that methane production was most productive at 900 degrees Fahrenheit and 70,000 atmospheres of pressure. That's still hot, and it's still deep, but it suggests that methane may be abundant throughout the planet.

Like Gold, Livermore may have carried it a bit too far when it suggested in a news release that "These reserves could be a virtually inexhaustible source of energy for future generations."

There's a problem here. No one is going to drill a well 100 miles into the Earth. Even five or six miles is a really deep well.

"It's not even foreseeable that we would try to drill down to it," Scott says.

But there is a possibility that some of those methane deposits, if they really do exist deep within the Earth, may find their own way to the surface, following weaknesses in the crust, for example.

That's what Tommy Gold said would happen.

A few years ago, Sweden bought into that, big time. Officials there began drilling a deep well in a formation that Gold said could contain hydrocarbons that would be clearly of a non-biological origin. That would prove him right.

The newspaper I was working for in those days packed me off to Sweden to see what they were finding. Unfortunately, they weren't finding much.

They never found Gold's postulated gusher. But maybe Scott has. Not deep within the Earth. In a diamond anvil, where methane was produced just the way Gold said it would be.

Tommy Gold died last year. He would have loved this.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abiogenic; energy; oil; science; thomasgold
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To: billorites
Now, a couple of decades after Gold first suggested that hydrocarbons are formed deep underground by geological processes and not just below the surface by biological decay, there is increasing evidence that he may have been on to something.

Perhaps Gold also suggested a non-biological mechanism for generating the microscopic fossils that are found in association with petroleum deposits.

21 posted on 03/05/2006 1:31:58 PM PST by Physicist
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To: rottndog
This is precisely why the "Global warming" (now, the bidirectional "climate change") story was necessary. If people thought that petroleum resources weren't running out -- they might (gasp) use them! This use could lead to (the horrors) prosperity -- without guilt!!! We can't have that.

{we satarize -- you decide.}
22 posted on 03/05/2006 1:38:04 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: RightWhale

Every Christmas, the aliens disguise one of the UFOs as a sled.


23 posted on 03/05/2006 1:39:51 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

That's right! I'll update the cardfile.


24 posted on 03/05/2006 1:41:09 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: billorites
I am shocked that ABCNews actually ran this story.

This theory has been advanced by russian scientists as far back as the thirties under Stalin.

25 posted on 03/05/2006 1:41:30 PM PST by bubman
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To: Physicist

There are fossils imbedded in many kinds of rock, too. Does that mean that rocks are organic?

I'm not saying that I believe this theory, but it is at least possible. It's not hard to conceive of ways that fossils could have worked their way into coal and oil deposits.


26 posted on 03/05/2006 1:41:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: billorites; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
Right.... If not then, where did the methane come from on other planets in our solar system.. and who knows maybe even undiscovered crude oil within them.. as well..

But the concept does go against sacred "EVO" dogma that bleeds into the geologists minds.. That petrolem deposits come from buried organic sources.. and diamonds too.. Interesting

If true the concept has a hard row to hoe.. to surface..
Academia has always fought hard against the TRUTH...

27 posted on 03/05/2006 1:48:31 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: em2vn
Violate the narrow FR orthodoxy and.... Well you know.

The narrow FR orthodoxy on this subject is that oil is NOT a fossil fuel, actually, not the reverse. Mainly because people want it not to be a fossil fuel.

28 posted on 03/05/2006 1:48:34 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: hosepipe
But the concept does go against sacred "EVO" dogma that bleeds into the geologists minds..

Well, all field geologists spend a good portion of their working lives staring at obvious evidence of evolution, so it's not surprising they're basically all evolutionists and you don't see any geologists at all on the small lists of "scientists who don't believe in evolution" that float around.

29 posted on 03/05/2006 1:52:09 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Physicist
billorites: "-- Now, a couple of decades after Gold first suggested that hydrocarbons are formed deep underground by geological processes and not just below the surface by biological decay, there is increasing evidence that he may have been on to something. --"

Perhaps Gold also suggested a non-biological mechanism for generating the microscopic fossils that are found in association with petroleum deposits.
21 Physicist

Yes, he did. -- Try reading his book..

And btw, how do you explain the existence of 'gas giant' planets, if methane is not produced non-biologically?

30 posted on 03/05/2006 1:53:21 PM PST by tpaine
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To: billorites

This would mean that at least some petroleum is not a fossil fuel.


31 posted on 03/05/2006 1:54:13 PM PST by capt. norm (Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue)
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To: billorites

Humm OK, lets see --

Titan has "Oceans of hydrocarbons" (http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=532) Io has hydrocarbons
(Salama, F. (1999). Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons in the Interstellar Medium. A Review. In Solid Interstellar Matter: The ISO Revolution, L. d'Hendecourt, C. Joblin, & A. Jones, eds., (EDP Sciences: Les Ullis, France), pp. 65-87.) and

(Salama, F., Galazutdinov, G. A., Krelowski, J. Allamandola, L. J., & Musaev, F. A. (1999). Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons and the Diffuse Interstellar Bands. A Survey. Astrophys. J. 526, 265-273.)

I am pretty sure dinosaurs and large fern forrests did not exist in the Jovian system those many eons ago - so just maybe this guy has a valid point - or the Earth was slammed with giant comets full of crude back in the day...

Have fun.


32 posted on 03/05/2006 1:56:29 PM PST by ASOC (Choosing between the lesser of two evils, in the end, still leaves you with - evil.)
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To: tpaine
There is a vast, vast, vast, vast difference between Methane and the hydrocarbons in petroleum.

Quite the strawman construction there...precisely nobody has ever claimed all methane is biological.

33 posted on 03/05/2006 1:56:38 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Actually it is not that important to current and evolving energy needs because of the available Tar Sands and Shale oil. And as for methane, there are huge amounts just lying about on the deep ocean floorin those little ice nodules, enough that libs are already worrying that efforts to tap that source will Destroy Us All or that Global Warming will melt the nodules and flood the atmosphere with methane that will Destroy Us All.


34 posted on 03/05/2006 1:59:24 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: ASOC
I am pretty sure dinosaurs and large fern forrests did not exist in the Jovian system those many eons ago

See, here's one of the basic problems...people thinking oil comes from dinosaurs (or land plants) as a result of some crappy children's cartoons, and the mental image called up by the term "fossil fuel" (and people thinking ONLY of dinosaurs when they think of fossils) and now more recently the worthless blatherings in the book of that incompetent moron, Jerome Corsi.

Petroleum was formed from dead microscopic marine and lacustrine diatoms, algae, and bacteria.

35 posted on 03/05/2006 1:59:41 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: billorites; Dog Gone
drill a well 100 miles into the Earth

It has only take me 4 months to drill 2 miles, so...

36 posted on 03/05/2006 1:59:47 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: jocon307
Finete: Existing, persisting, or enduring for a limited time only; impermanent.

Infinete: Having no boundaries or limits.
37 posted on 03/05/2006 2:00:09 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis
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To: billorites

Screw all the complications.

Take 2 lbs of pinto beans , throw in a ham hock and some onions.

Any Human can convert it into cubic feet of methane in 4-6 hours.


38 posted on 03/05/2006 2:00:49 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: rottndog

Coal is legitimately Fossil Fuel. Oil and gas appear not to be.


39 posted on 03/05/2006 2:01:19 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Physicist

Those microscopic fossils may well be just "along for the ride." Finding an ancient man's body in a snowbank does not prove that glaciers derive from decayed humans.


40 posted on 03/05/2006 2:05:17 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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