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Republicans Back Line-Item Veto for President
CNSNews.com ^ | March 07, 2006 | Susan Jones

Posted on 03/07/2006 4:05:02 PM PST by indcons

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1 posted on 03/07/2006 4:05:04 PM PST by indcons
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I hope Bush gets this done. Then he could avoid the veto item by item instead of one whole bill at a time.


2 posted on 03/07/2006 4:10:45 PM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: indcons

Bush and vetos, that's teh funny of the day.


3 posted on 03/07/2006 4:10:57 PM PST by mysterio
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To: indcons

No surpise here, the Republicans gave it to Clinton; and the Supreme's ruled it un-consitutional.

Now we have a new mix in the Supremes ... let's try it again.


4 posted on 03/07/2006 4:13:02 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: indcons

one thing i didn't quite get, maybe someone could answer for me, but when the president marks items for veto and congress then votes on them, do they vote on all line-item vetoes for a bill at once? or do they vote on each line veto individually? it seems like if they have to vote on all of the line-item vetoes at once we'll end up with the same sort of back-scratching we have now.


5 posted on 03/07/2006 4:15:59 PM PST by munchtipq
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To: indcons
A bona fide "line item veto" is unconstitutional, I wish they'd call this something else. Like "line item review".
6 posted on 03/07/2006 4:17:09 PM PST by mrsmith
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"Now we have a new mix in the Supremes ... let's try it again."

From your keyboard to the eyes and ears of SCOTUS! When will taxpayers finally hold our spendthrift government's feet to the fire? It can't come soon enough for me.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 4:17:28 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: munchtipq
one thing i didn't quite get, maybe someone could answer for me, but when the president marks items for veto and congress then votes on them, do they vote on all line-item vetoes for a bill at once? or do they vote on each line veto individually? it seems like if they have to vote on all of the line-item vetoes at once we'll end up with the same sort of back-scratching we have now.

From what I understand, the process wouldn't be for Congress to decide whether it liked the recisions. The process would be for Congress to decide whether the bill, with recisions, was better than no bill at all. If Congress wanted to have fewer recisions, it could attempt to introduce a new version of the bill, with some of the recisions but not all; this would then put the ball back into the President's court as to whether to accept it, making clear that if he rejected it the result would probably be no bill at all.

8 posted on 03/07/2006 4:29:17 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: indcons
Hell i wish he would VETO anything a democrat puts on paper or opens it's mouth about that would be a start to a good year and weed out the Republicans who want to tax and spend us into Oblivion
9 posted on 03/07/2006 4:32:00 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (The Death Penalty isn't for making examples it's for making bad people DEAD!)
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About 6 years too late

TT


10 posted on 03/07/2006 4:32:43 PM PST by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: mrsmith
A bona fide "line item veto" is unconstitutional, I wish they'd call this something else. Like "line item review".

Whatever the name, the basic idea is that Congress reserves the power to decide whether the revised bill is better or worse than no bill at all. Under the old line-item veto it did not retain that power.

On a related note, I'd like to see a Constitutional amendment mandating that no delegation of Congress' legislative authority may last more than 30 days beyond the start of the next congress. For a regulatory agency to retain power, its continuance must be approved by 50%+1 of both branches of Congress plus the executive, or by 2/3 of both branches if the executive does not approve. Only 50.0% of either branch, or 1/3+1 and the executive, would be required to kill a regulatory agency.

11 posted on 03/07/2006 4:32:46 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: indcons

The Congress can write their way around it and not all Presidents will use it for the good of the country.


12 posted on 03/07/2006 4:33:38 PM PST by right right
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"Whatever the name"
LOL! That remark struck a bell and reviewing Scalia's dissent I see why:
"The title of the Line Item Veto Act, which was perhaps designed to simplify for public comprehension, or perhaps merely to comply with the terms of a campaign pledge, has succeeded in faking out the Supreme Court.
The President’s action it authorizes in fact is not a line-item veto... "

Just quickly re your suggestion: It doesn't bar congress from enacting broad grants of authority to the executive, which is the problem. I don't think that can be done and sometimes it is wise.
Calling that delegating "legislative authority" is merely rhetorical (though sometimes it does happen to be so).

13 posted on 03/07/2006 5:07:10 PM PST by mrsmith
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Tell Nancy Pelosi that the constitution gives the power of the purse to the House of Represenatives. They should not be abdicating this or shuffling it off to the president.


14 posted on 03/07/2006 5:12:57 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: indcons
Republicans Back Line-Item Veto for President

Personally, I like the line-item veto. However, I don't see the point of this - Bush has yet to demonstrate that he can spell veto, much less actually use it. Since he has never used a veto on any of the dreck legislation and bloated budget bills that have crossed his desk, what does he need it for? Clinton had it and asked that it be repealed - of course, Clinton didn't care if Congress passed a bill or not; if he wanted it, he just issued an executive order.

IMO, this is BS and a waste of taxpayer time and money to pay for this nonsense.
15 posted on 03/07/2006 5:19:26 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Types_with_Fist

While I agree it's a good thing to have...if you look forward a few months it almost smells like fear. Fear of losing a few seats in the upcoming election and having the ability to veto Dem line items. Interesting strategy.


16 posted on 03/07/2006 5:19:37 PM PST by mancogasuki (Live Free Or Die.)
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To: ClaireSolt
She's hoping to have her president running things one day, after all she'll probably always be in the minority.

At long as the final bill is the result of majority votes in both houses I think it will be good to have it.

17 posted on 03/07/2006 5:22:34 PM PST by mrsmith
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Calling that delegating "legislative authority" is merely rhetorical (though sometimes it does happen to be so).

The FDA, BATF, and many agencies freely write rules which have the force of law. The only legislative oversight is usually IIRC that Congress, with a majority of BOTH houses, can refuse to allow a new regulation from taking effect.

Actually, IMHO, the amendment I described shouldn't be necessary since the requirement that both houses must have a majority vote against proposed new rules in order to kill them would seem to constitute a rule by one congress binding another. On the other hand, I don't know anyone who would have standing to challenge that.

18 posted on 03/07/2006 6:24:47 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: indcons

Voting FOR this is the GOP's ticket to victory in November. All of them need to pay attention. We're watching closely if they want to be re-elected.


19 posted on 03/07/2006 6:28:16 PM PST by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are familiar bedfellows)
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I'd rather have the house accept its power and responsibility, as Newt did.


20 posted on 03/08/2006 6:01:39 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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