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1 posted on 03/11/2006 11:30:42 AM PST by blam
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2 posted on 03/11/2006 11:31:36 AM PST by blam
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3 posted on 03/11/2006 11:32:22 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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It's about time...but think of all the money making operations using his name that will lose credibility when the truth comes out. I for one believe this:

http://www.grecoreport.com/christopher_columbus.htm


4 posted on 03/11/2006 11:34:41 AM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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His bones are in Al Capone's vault, of course!


5 posted on 03/11/2006 11:50:34 AM PST by thoughtomator (Nobody would have cared if the UAE wanted to buy Macy's...)
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Columbus, ... who would later change the world by accidentally stumbling upon the Americas in 1492.

They make him sound like a bumbling fool. How about:

Columbus, who's visionary dreams of a global world were temporarily interrupted by the barrier of the 'new world'...

9 posted on 03/11/2006 12:01:45 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Well, Kerry did win the exit polls.)
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But the casket was inscribed with the words "Illustrious and distinguished male, Don Cristobal Colon" - the Spanish rendering of Christopher Columbus.

A very subtle clue that the average person wouldn't notice.

10 posted on 03/11/2006 12:17:28 PM PST by OSHA (Liberal Utopia: When they shoot people going over the wall.)
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Mmmmmmmmm, genoa salami, crunchy Italian bread, some hard "grating cheese" and some good red wine. :) Ahhh, life is good. Ciao. :)


12 posted on 03/11/2006 1:02:13 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than we will ever know. Thanks, Rush!)
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A Jew named Christopher? I'm suprised no one's claiming he was black.


15 posted on 03/11/2006 1:10:24 PM PST by Tevin
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A jew named Christopher?


16 posted on 03/11/2006 1:12:44 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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accidentally stumbling upon the Americas

Somewhat. He was quite the explorer already. His mission this time was to find a route to India (they say China in public school) that went around the supremely annoying Arabs.

18 posted on 03/11/2006 1:42:10 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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19 posted on 03/11/2006 1:48:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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How exactly are they to determine whether he was from Genoa, or Portugal, or Spain?


21 posted on 03/11/2006 2:13:20 PM PST by Graymatter (J31-F28-M31...why not J30-F30-M30?)
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The family name of the most numerous body of Columbus decendants is "CARVAJAL", or "CARBOHAL", or "CARVALHO" (depending on the country/language in which the name is rendered).


24 posted on 03/11/2006 2:31:44 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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I'm not sure that identifying the bones belonging to Columbus will tell much more about him. It is interesting, though ... .
26 posted on 03/11/2006 2:35:15 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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I hope his Y haplotype is R1b M343 like mine...


29 posted on 03/11/2006 2:43:27 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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In Italy, the researchers sent letters to modern-day "Colombo" men asking them to use cotton swabs to sample saliva from inside their mouths.

"Okay, but just one more question first."


31 posted on 03/11/2006 2:47:45 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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Whenever I see expensive research like this, I wonder who the heck is paying for it.


32 posted on 03/11/2006 2:50:31 PM PST by cowtowney
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I had my DNA done http://www.familytreedna.com found a long lost relative too. Highly recommended!


33 posted on 03/11/2006 2:50:44 PM PST by Drango (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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For a hobby, I research old newspapers from the time of the War Between The States. Mostly, of course, the old papers of this period deal with the war and the issues of the time. However, I did find the following article concerning Columbus' remains in the Kennebec Journal (Maine) of January 4, 1861. It confirms some of the information in the article you posted.

REMOVAL OF THE REMAINS OF COLUMBUS

It is stated from Havana that the remains of Christopher Columbus, the discoverer of the New World, are again to be removed to a new and splendid cemetery, soon to be opened near that city. They are to be deposited in a silver urn, upon which will be inscribed in letters of gold the most remarkable events of his great enterprise. A bronze statue is to be erected over them, representing the great discoverer in the attitude of revealing the great mission of his wonderful life.

Columbus died Ascension day, the 20th of May, 1506, in about the 70th year of his age. His obsequies were celebrated with great pomp at Valladolid, and his body deposited in the Convent of San Francisco. Then, nine years after, in the year 1513 [sic? their date], it was removed to the Carthusian monastery of Seville, where likewise was deposited the body of his son, Diego. Twenty-three years after, in the year 1539, the body of both the admiral and his son were removed, with appropriate pomp and ceremonies, to the New World he had discovered, and interred in the principal chapel of Santa Domingo, Hispaniola. There they remained undisturbed for the period of 250 years.

In the year 1805, however, at the close of the war between France and Spain, all the Spanish possessions in the island of Hispaniola were ceded to France, whereupon a request was preferred to the French Governor to have the remains of Columbus removed to Cuba. The request was granted, and on the 20th of December, 1795, the vault in the cathedral of San Domingo was for the first time in nearly two hundred years opened. "Within," says the record of the event, "were found the fragments of a leaden coffin, a number of bones, and a quantity of mould [sic], evidently the remains of a human body. These were carefully collected and put into a case of gilded lead, about a half an ell in length and breadth, and a third in height, secured by an iron lock, the key of which was delivered to the Archbishop. The case was enclosed in a coffin, covered with black velvet, and ornamented with lace and gold.

After appropriate funeral ceremonies, the body was taken on board the ship San Lorenzo and taken to Havana, where it arrived on the 15th of January, 1796. It was received in the most solemn manner, with all the honor given to a sovereign. "On arriving at the mole, the remains were then met by the Governor of the Island, accompanied by his generals and military staff. The coffin was then conveyed between the files of soldiery which lined the streets to the obelisk, in the Place d'Armes, where it was received in a hearse prepared for the purpose. Here the remains were formally delivered to the Governor and Captain General of the island, the key given to him, the coffin opened and examined, and the safe transportation of its contents authenticated."

The ceremony concluded, the solemn rites of the dead were performed by the archbishop, and the remains of the great discoverer were again deposited in the wall, on the right side of the Cathedral of Havana, where they have ever since remained, the object of reverence to all visitors of the island.

Given their importance, I wonder if the remains were ever split up in the past, with part of them going overseas and part being kept at home.

35 posted on 03/11/2006 3:29:54 PM PST by rustbucket
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I mistyped the first book it should be "Darwin's Ghost"

I recently read a book about the Gulf Stream. Apparently Columbus knew about the equatorial current that flows away from Spain to the Azores and then across the Atlantic before hooking up with the Gulf Stream. Wherever he traveled he looked at old maps, spoke with experienced seamen and picked as many brains as possible. He went to as many coastal ports on the extreme west of Europe as he could, even in the British Isles, where he saw seeds and vegetation that had been washed there from the New World.

He didn't accidently discover America, he "knew" there was something there all the time. He just had the name wrong.


45 posted on 03/12/2006 12:57:18 AM PST by gleeaikin (Question Authority)
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