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Rebutting Darwinists: (Survey shows 2/3 of Scientists Believe in God)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 04/15/2006 | Ted Byfield

Posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:16 AM PDT by SirLinksalot

Rebutting Darwinists

Posted: April 15, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

I suggested here last week that the established authorities of every age act consistently. They become vigilantly militant against non-conforming dissidents who challenge their assumptions.

Thus when the dissident Galileo challenged the assumptions of the 17th century papacy, it shut him up. Now when the advocates of "intelligent design" challenge the scientific establishment's assumptions about "natural selection," it moves aggressively to shut them up. So the I.D. people have this in common with Galileo.

I received a dozen letters on this, three in mild agreement, the rest in scorn and outrage. This calls for a response.

Where, one reader demanded, did I get the information that 10 percent of scientists accept intelligent design? I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists." Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

I could have gone further. A survey last year by Rice University, financed by the Templeton Foundation, found that about two-thirds of scientists believed in God. A poll published by Gallup in 1997 asked: Do you believe that "man has developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process, including man's creation?" – essentially the I.D. position. Just under 40 percent of scientists said yes. So perhaps my 10 percent was far too low.

Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

Another letter complains that I.D. cannot be advanced as even a theory unless evidence of the nature of this "Divine" element is presented. But the evidence is in nature itself. The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity. If you see a footprint in the sand, that surely evidences human activity. The demand – "Yes, but whose footprint is it?"– does not disqualify the contention that somebody was there. "Nope," says the establishment, "not until you can tell us who it was will we let you raise this question in schools."

Another reader argues that Galileo stood for freedom of inquiry, whereas I.D. advocates want to suppress inquiry. This writer apparently did not notice what caused me to write the column. It was the rejection by a government agency for a $40,000 grant to a McGill University anti-I.D. lobby to suppress the presentation and discussion of I.D. theory in the Canadian schools. Suppressing discussion is an odd way of encouraging "freedom of inquiry." Anyway, the I.D. movement doesn't want to suppress evolution. It merely wants it presented as a theory, alongside the I.D. theory.

Why, asked another reader, did I not identify the gutsy woman who stated the reason for the rejection, bringing upon herself the scorn of scientific authority. That's fair. Her name is Janet Halliwell, a chemist and executive vice president of the Social Science and Humanities Research Council. She said that evolution is a theory, not a fact, and the McGill application offered no evidence to support it.

The McGill applicant was furious. Evolution, he said, needs no evidence. It's fact. Apparently Harvard University doesn't quite agree with him. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

The most sensible letter came from a research scientist. "I think that the current paradigm of evolution by natural selection acting on random variation will change," he writes. "I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

Then he urges me not to disclose his identity. Saying this publicly would threaten his getting tenure, he fears. Galileo would understand.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; darwinism; darwinists; evoidiots; evolutionistmorons; god; id; idjunkscience; ignoranceisstrength; intelligentdesign; scientists; youngearthcultists
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1 posted on 04/15/2006 11:44:18 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident

Name me one person who has suggested that it came about by sheer accident.

2 posted on 04/15/2006 11:49:30 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SirLinksalot

Now to voting. All those against the evolution raise your tails and throw a coconut at the vote counter.


3 posted on 04/15/2006 11:50:28 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Izzy Dunne
Name me one person who has suggested that it came about by sheer accident.

So, you're saying that random mutation is not an accident ?
4 posted on 04/15/2006 11:52:49 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

Reasonable article. But expect to get flamed when the evo's catch up!


5 posted on 04/15/2006 11:53:04 AM PDT by guitarist
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To: SirLinksalot
ACK. Where to begin?

1. For the millionth time, there's nothing atheistic about evolution, nor is there anything necessarily evolutionary about atheism. I believe in God, I am a religious man, and creationism is still bunk. This guy's claim that 10% of National Academy of Science members are creationists is lunacy.

2. Two readers called my attention to a discovery last week on an Arctic island of something which may be the fossil remains of the mysteriously missing "transitional species." Or then maybe it isn't transitional. Maybe it's a hitherto undetected species on its own.

All species are by definition transitional. What would a transitional species that isn't a species look like?

If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't.

Incorrect.

The single cell shows such extraordinary complexity that to suggest it came about by sheer accident taxes credulity.

Correct. Fortunately, evolution doesn't suggest it came about by sheer accident.

. The Boston Globe reports that Harvard has begun an expensive project to discover how life emerged from the chemical soup of early earth. In the 150 years since Darwin, says the Globe, "scientists cannot explain how the process began."

Abiogenesis isn't evolution.

6 posted on 04/15/2006 11:55:07 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: guitarist; PatrickHenry; CarolinaGuitarman; jennyp

We're here


7 posted on 04/15/2006 11:55:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: SirLinksalot
I got it from a National Post (newspaper) article published two years ago, which said that 90 percent of the members of the National Academy of Science "consider themselves atheists."

LOL!

8 posted on 04/15/2006 11:55:54 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: SirLinksalot
So, you're saying that random mutation is not an accident ?

Mutation isn't necessarily random and it is only one component of evolution. Selection is as deliberate and as non-accidental as anything can be.

9 posted on 04/15/2006 11:56:57 AM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SirLinksalot
"I think that evidence will accumulate to suggest that much of the genetic variation leading to the evolution of life on earth was not random, but was generated by biochemical processes that exhibit intelligent behavior."

That sounds like Robert Shapiro

10 posted on 04/15/2006 11:56:58 AM PDT by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: SirLinksalot; jennyp
But the very exuberance with which such a discovery is announced argues the I.D. case. If Darwin was right, and the change from one species to another through natural selection occurred constantly in millions of instances over millions of years, then the fossil record should be teaming with transitional species. It isn't. That's why even one possibility, after many years of searching, becomes front-page news.

Obviously, the author doesn't know what a "transitional species" is, much less how to identify it.

All species are transitional. There is nothing here that "bolsters" the ID case and the number of scientists that believe in God is irrelevant to the number who understand TToE.

11 posted on 04/15/2006 11:57:56 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: Alter Kaker
Selection is as deliberate and as non-accidental as anything can be.

Selection is a verb. Someone or something makes the selection. That's how I understand it. if it isn't someone, then something has to do it. What is that something ?
12 posted on 04/15/2006 11:58:23 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
To me this could all be settled by asking God himself.


13 posted on 04/15/2006 11:58:28 AM PDT by Screamname (By God, pray for me, someone help me please! Hillary is my Senator! HELP MEEE!)
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To: SirLinksalot
Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

Astounding leap of logic.

14 posted on 04/15/2006 11:59:01 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SirLinksalot
Selection is a verb. Someone or something makes the selection. That's how I understand it. if it isn't someone, then something has to do it. What is that something ?

The environment makes the selection.

Did any of you CRIDers pass science in High School? I don't debate deep theology, since I am not that familiar with it. Why do you CRIDers persist in debating Natural Science when you don't bother to learn it?

15 posted on 04/15/2006 12:02:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping.


16 posted on 04/15/2006 12:03:14 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: SirLinksalot
Selection is a verb.

LOL! Clearly you failed grammar. "Selection" is a noun. "Select" is a verb.

Someone or something makes the selection. That's how I understand it.

Correct. Selection can be performed by the environment (hairless polar bears freeze), by the opposite sex (ugly polar bears don't get to make little polar bears), etc.

17 posted on 04/15/2006 12:03:47 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: SirLinksalot

Accepting evolution and believing in God are not mutually exclusive.


18 posted on 04/15/2006 12:04:06 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Dog Gone; SirLinksalot
Since if you're not an atheist, you allow for the possibility of a Mind or Intelligence behind nature, this puts 10 percent in the I.D. camp.

Astounding leap of logic.

A leap of faith, not logic. How a Mind or Intelligence plays in the universal Scheme of Things is as individual as the observer. Forcing Deists (and the like) into the ID camp is like saying those who believe in Law And Order (the concept, not the show) must believe in the Death Penalty for Jaywalking.

19 posted on 04/15/2006 12:05:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: SirLinksalot
It's par for the course that "established" scientists hate it when new theories are proposed. They have invested their careers in the old theories.

Then gradually, the new theories start to attract new proponents, who have less at stake in the old theories and are willing to consider new ones.

Younger scientists come into the pool, and they are more open to new ideas as the brain-dead old geezers--scientists, administrators, foundations grants directors--retire or die off.

Thomas Kuhn made a persuasive argument for this process, in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.


20 posted on 04/15/2006 12:05:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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