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We believe in ET, not ID [Darwin, SETI, & ID in one thread!]
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 18 April 2006 | Seth Shostak

Posted on 04/18/2006 4:19:25 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Quark2005
I feel obligated to point out that a primary difference between ID and SETI, all methodology and veracity aside, is that SETI researchers are honest enough to admit that they have found absolutely no physical evidence supporting the existence of what they are searching for.

I was getting ready to make that exact point but, you worded it much better than I would have.

41 posted on 04/18/2006 8:25:35 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: manwiththehands
EVERY piece? So why bother to debate if there is "no debate"?

I hate to break it to you, but the debate among the scientific community over whether or not evolution occurred ended a long time ago. The only debate that persists is with people who understand the theory (i.e. trained scientists) trying to convince people who lack a full education on the subject (i.e. the general public) as to the extent of the evidence that actually does exist, and how the theory actually does work.

But we all know the debate is still very much alive ... but that arrogance! I would be surprised if any of you were capable of learning anything.

What's more arrogant - scientists who actually dedicate endless hours throughout their lives to a subject reaching a well-informed consensus, or a layperson that thinks they can overturn a well-founded scientific theory by a few musings and web-surfing on their lunch break? I have confidence in well-established theories and the endless hours of work and expertise put in by trained professionals. This is quite a different thing than arrogance. I wouldn't tell a trained auto mechanic that they're doing their job wrong; I don't know why so many people are arrogant enough to do so with the work of scientists.

I might recommend that you might consider that theories are considered well-established for good reason, and that you might more thoroughly understand the science before weighing in a negative opinion against it.

42 posted on 04/18/2006 8:26:55 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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43 posted on 04/18/2006 8:28:15 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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44 posted on 04/18/2006 8:28:39 AM PDT by evets (S.o.a.P)
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To: trebb
IDers merely pointed out that, if SETI does get a complex signal (which is what they hope for) they will automatically ascribe its existence to an intelligence because it would take an intelligent designer

IDers merely make their claims without ever receiving the complex signal.

45 posted on 04/18/2006 8:31:40 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: doc30
Or a predator hijacks those signals to lure a food to it.

Good point. If we get an inter-galactic message along the lines of, say,

Greetings, Earthlings! We have unlimited free beer for you here on our home planet of Xergflubberbex!

then I think we should probably ignore it.

46 posted on 04/18/2006 8:43:44 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: ToryHeartland
If we get an inter-galactic message along the lines of, say,

Greetings, Earthlings! We have unlimited free beer for you here on our home planet of Xergflubberbex!

then I think we should probably ignore it.

Absolutely. Everyone knows that, lacking the yeast required for fermentation, the most the Xergflubberbexians could offer would be non-alcoholic "beer". Hardly worth traversing inter-stellar distances.

47 posted on 04/18/2006 8:57:23 AM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe
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To: Quark2005
"I hate to break it to you, but the debate among the scientific community over whether or not evolution occurred ended a long time ago."

I rest my case.

48 posted on 04/18/2006 9:04:36 AM PDT by manwiththehands (I'm a single issue voter this year: illegal immigration.)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe

But maybe they have something a little more, um..."tasty"?


49 posted on 04/18/2006 9:05:13 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: manwiththehands

You wouldn't make a very good lawyer.


AND YOU KEEP THOSE HANDS OFF MY DAUGHTER.


50 posted on 04/18/2006 9:07:27 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: manwiththehands
You cannot be a scientist and believe in creation or ID.

Do you know some that do? How many are biologists? How many of those are named Steve?

51 posted on 04/18/2006 9:10:28 AM PDT by Condorman (Prefer infinitely the company of those seeking the truth to those who believe they have found it.)
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To: trashcanbred

Maybe Xenu will answer. He has as good a chance as any other space being.


52 posted on 04/18/2006 9:13:22 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: ToryHeartland
When we finally do receive a message from outer space, that message will be spam

Nah, it'll be porn.
53 posted on 04/18/2006 9:18:27 AM PDT by BJClinton (No war. For oil.)
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To: null and void
...and yes, she is an alien...
I know. That is why I referred to it. :-)
54 posted on 04/18/2006 9:21:26 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe
the most the Xergflubberbexians could offer would be non-alcoholic "beer". Hardly worth traversing inter-stellar distances.

True -- but when you consider what the likely penalty for DUI in a near-light-speed craft must be, it's probably best to stick with something like O'Doul's in any event.

55 posted on 04/18/2006 9:25:13 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: BJClinton
Nah, it'll be porn.

But would we be able to understand it?

Seriously, there was a case in the UK some years back, whereby HM Customs impounded and destroyed a shipment of imported videos deemed to be pornographic. What the videos depicted was hours upon hours of nothing more than bare female feet--sizzling hot stuff if you're foot-fetishist, and about as boring as a Labour Party Conference if you're not.

C-Span might be XXX rated on Alpha Centauri, for all we know.

56 posted on 04/18/2006 9:30:25 AM PDT by ToryHeartland
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To: ToryHeartland

But their ad says they are here to serve us...


57 posted on 04/18/2006 9:31:13 AM PDT by BJClinton (No war. For oil.)
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To: ToryHeartland
But would we be able to understand it?

If it involves tentacles it will be immensely popular in Japan.
58 posted on 04/18/2006 9:33:18 AM PDT by BJClinton (No war. For oil.)
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To: ToryHeartland
when you consider what the likely penalty for DUI in a near-light-speed craft must be, it's probably best to stick with something like O'Doul's in any event

...unless accompanied by a "Designated Warper", in which case, (relative) bottoms up!

59 posted on 04/18/2006 9:48:22 AM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


60 posted on 04/18/2006 10:27:41 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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