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Pilot trapped in F-22 cockpit after canopy failure
F-16.net ^ | April 25, 2006 | Jeff Hollenbeck

Posted on 04/25/2006 4:14:09 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

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To: BlueStateDepression

I suspect it is the Air Force "Fire Department".


41 posted on 04/25/2006 6:16:20 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

"$182,000 for the canopy. Is there anything on this plane that hasn't been gold-plated by the generals?"

Really, really want the very best mechanism for getting
a pilot OUT of a burning plane that may explode any
moment.

Then, $182,000 will be like monopoly money because our
armed forces personnel are worth a whole lot more than
$182,000.

(I have not served. My tagline honors my son and my cousin.)


42 posted on 04/25/2006 6:19:14 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Axhandle

Neither the Army nor the Air Force are getting screwed. You and I are getting screwed.


43 posted on 04/25/2006 6:50:49 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: TankerKC

No kidding. Are the canopies Lexan or something better?


44 posted on 04/25/2006 7:06:23 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: bootless
I don't know...I read soem links that say the -16 canopy is Lexan.

I never worried about what they were made of...just kept 'em clean with Mirror Glaze.

45 posted on 04/25/2006 7:11:58 PM PDT by TankerKC (Sorry I missed the protest, I had to work.)
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To: ICE-FLYER
Looking at the pic makes me wonder...could the $182K include the entire replacement cost...that seat will have to be pulled and the cockpit will have to be cleaned thoroughly.
46 posted on 04/25/2006 7:14:40 PM PDT by TankerKC (Sorry I missed the protest, I had to work.)
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To: BlueStateDepression

The Air Force has fire fighters.


47 posted on 04/25/2006 7:17:13 PM PDT by TankerKC (Sorry I missed the protest, I had to work.)
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To: TankerKC
I agree with the evaluation of a canopy...
But I'd have been at it with a cutter after about thirty minutes.
48 posted on 04/25/2006 7:18:20 PM PDT by norton
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To: NormsRevenge

CDI "Center For Defense Information" was during the 1980s a Soviet-line front organization. It has always opposed every US weapons system, and still does.

I don't know who's behind them now that their Soviet patron and lord is paws up.

We'd still be loading muskets by the muzzle, saing wooden ships, and wouldn't have none of them newfangled flying machines, if CDI had its way.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


49 posted on 04/25/2006 7:21:57 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Fighting Democrats, huh? Where the hell were they when I was fighting?)
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To: Axhandle
"Replacement cost of the canopy will be $182,205."

If the Air Force gets screwed the same way that the Army does, this thing probably only costs about $10 to manufacture.

Yup; screwed.

There should be at least $125,000 of reusable parts in that puppy, that should be recycled into the repairs.

Did they cut the whole thing to pieces; or were the sensible...naw, of course not...and cut out enough of the plexi to get him out, leaving the frame intact?

50 posted on 04/25/2006 7:24:53 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite! "Offended by offended Muslims since 9-11")
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To: Axhandle

I should have waited until I saw pics. Didn't realize it was a single piece bubble.


51 posted on 04/25/2006 7:40:26 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite! "Offended by offended Muslims since 9-11")
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To: Criminal Number 18F

just my luck,, dozens of sites to pull info from.

not sure who funds them these days.


52 posted on 04/25/2006 7:52:21 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I'm a bit skeptical of a canopy that costs more than the landing gear, though. The F-16's canopy costs about $30,000.

Tooling to build canopy, say $10 million

Machinery cost written off over 5,000 aircraft = $2,000/aircraft

Machinery cost written off over 182 aircrqft = $55,000/aircraft

53 posted on 04/25/2006 7:54:20 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
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To: BlueStateDepression
why the fire department was extracting him instead of military personell????

Thirty years ago they'd have been military personnel, but as part of the cutbacks in the eighties and nineties jobs that didn't absolutely have to be done by a sworn service member were made civil service. Supposedlt this saves money; an Airman 1c costs less than a civlian fireman, but you need to recruit a new airman every four years or so.

And the reason the fire guys do it, is simple: they have training on extracting people from airplanes. The F-22s crew chief doesn't. In fact, he or she was in tears just about then.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

54 posted on 04/25/2006 9:24:17 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Fighting Democrats, huh? Where the hell were they when I was fighting?)
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To: rlmorel
Boy...does that pilot look PISSED or WHAT!

That picture is plastered all over the internet, in the ready room, the Officer's Club, on his car, at his kids' school....

55 posted on 04/25/2006 9:30:19 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: rlmorel

You bet! I shut down an F16 in Arizona with a battery failure, luckily I had cracked the canopy about four inches open. It still went up to about 150 degrees in the 1/2 hour it took to get the proper wrench to hand crank the canopy open. He may not be pissed, he may be dehydrated and pissed. I can't imagine sitting there for 10 hours, I hope he had the engine (so the A/C worked) or a start cart blowing refrigerated air into the cockpit.


57 posted on 04/25/2006 11:21:26 PM PDT by church16 (“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence...")
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Should have ejected. :D

Bad idea. If the canopy won't open, firing the ejection seat is likely to spatter the occupant.

58 posted on 04/25/2006 11:26:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: U S Army EOD
And we can't even get a good American built chainsaw anymore.

The "chainsaw" in the picture is a "Cutters Edge" Multi-Cut Fire Rescue Saw.

They are manufactured in Julian, California

59 posted on 04/26/2006 12:11:19 AM PDT by Species8472
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To: Myrddin

The ejection seat on my planes went right through the canopy! But, it would destroy the cockpit, and...ejecting is dangerous under the best of circumstances, lethal under the worst.


60 posted on 04/26/2006 2:44:27 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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