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If the depiction of what happened on Flight 93 is a "fable" that "shield(s) us from the true dimensions of the tragedy", then what does this say about the author's understanding of the present MSM treatment of that event?

Is the MSM presently helping us to understand it more thoroughly or is it helping to dull our understanding? Or is it hoping our memories will fade. It appears the main problem with Flight 93 films is that they help Americans see the face of the evil we face and why we must choose: convert to Islam, submit to Islam, or war with Islamists.

We have chosen to war. It appears that some people would have us choose otherwise.

1 posted on 04/28/2006 5:05:17 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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They (the media) are simply attempting to PC us to death.

The "Greatest Generation" had whipped Japan and Germany at this point (time elapsed) after Pearl Harbor.


2 posted on 04/28/2006 5:08:42 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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Deny

Deny

Deny

Deny.....

....until the lie becomes perception, which in turn, becomes truth


3 posted on 04/28/2006 5:09:53 AM PDT by RangerM
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Of course Slate would dislike any film where the average American comes out the hero. We are supposed to believe that only the elite can be heroic and that we are blessed to have them to watch over our "uneducated" selves.


4 posted on 04/28/2006 5:11:33 AM PDT by onevoter
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The people on flight 93 did rise up against their terrorist hijackers and the aircraft crashed. Those are not fables.

This guy has been drinking far too much liberal, Jim Jones kool-aid.

In addition, building on what the Flight 93 passengers did, as a people, despite the whiners and dommsayers amongst us, we have taken the war to the enemy and buit upon the legacy of not only foiling the enemy desires to repeat a 911...but also killing them by the tens of thousands in fly traps we have established in the heart of what has been considered their territory in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The more of them who are indoctrinated with their mid-evil ideology of hate and terror that want to be drawn to those parties, the better.

5 posted on 04/28/2006 5:12:57 AM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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I live 7 miles from the crash site. Its hard to forget what happened. What bothers me is that there have been 3 movies made, but still no permanent memorial.


6 posted on 04/28/2006 5:14:27 AM PDT by SunKingMCD
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This is the same MSM that says replaying the events of 9/11 is forbidden, but replays the Abu Ghraib photos for weeks and invents stories about flushing korans down crappers. The same MSM that reports nothing from Iraq but casualties. The same MSM that when challenged to print the mohammed cartoons folds like a cheap suit. This is the same MSM that defends "piss Chirst" as provocative but runs away from any mention of "piss mohammed". The same MSM that finds a compelling story of valerie plame, but can't find a story in the fact that all credible intelligence agencies worldwide believed saddam had WMD programs. Is there not one MSM reporter with any gonads, are do they cut them off when they get hired? What a bunch of pussies - run away, its a rabbit, run away. I despise their self annointed superiority and their disgust for the common man and common decency. May they all receive a pink slip. Asshats.


7 posted on 04/28/2006 5:14:27 AM PDT by tigtog
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Strange, strange article. If you don't know, Rosenbaum has written one of the BEST books on Hitler, "Explaining Hitler," that examines almost all of the various interpretations of "Why Hitler." I think he did so skillfully and effectively.

But indeed, I do find a "pony" in the 9/11 horror---lots of them, actually, above and beyond either the heroism of the passengers or the rescuers at Ground Zero:

George W. Bush, for the most part, responded as a heroic Churchill, not waiting for AQ to hit us with WMDs, but to do what needed to be done and risk having his entire presidential legacy put up to constant attack by the libs for doing the right thing.

The Afghan, then Iraqi, people for standing up to terrorists, risking their lives to vote in overwhelming numbers. People on this board who irrationally go off on "all Muslims-are-terrorists" should note that, as is posted today on FR, some 65% of all casualties fighting the terrorists in Iraq are . . . Iraqi military and police.

The U.S. military, for doing a very difficult job extremely well and with, by historical standards, a remarkably small level of casualties.

Tony Blair, Prime Minister Howard, and Silvio Berlesconi for not giving in to the peaceniks.

The "foot soldiers" of the Republican Party who, in two successive elections, turned back the Dems. Despite the GOP's egregious lapses on spending and border (non) control, there is no question that if the Dems had won either of those elections, our troops would be home, fighting the terrorists right here. And, yes, Virginia, we would have been hit again . . . big. Mr. Rosenbaum wants a "pony?" Try that one.

10 posted on 04/28/2006 5:16:48 AM PDT by LS
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I don't know of any "fables" that resulting in saving the US Capitol (and a large section of downtown DC) from becoming a flaming fire pit. Nor do I know of any reason why Flt 93 failed to become an airborne terrorist weapon except for the "fabled" courage of its passengers to fight back.

Nor do I understand why a scorched but readable intact Bible (one of two recovered), and a burning aircraft tire, were the only recognizable pieces of wreckage discovered 25 feet from the firepit in Pennsylvania by the Flt 93 first responders.


11 posted on 04/28/2006 5:27:13 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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Rosenbaum is an ass.
United Flight 93 has been described as many things, this author repeatedly calls it a pony, which I think is a great affront to th epassengers on that flight, and the other 3 aircraft hijacked that day. I think flight 93 was 40 people realizing the FAA had been wrong on how to handle hijackers for 40 or more years ever since the first one occurred on a Continental in El Paso I believe. I believe they had an understanding we can die letting the hijackers accomplish their goals, or we can die ending this, and they ended it.
Rant on:
Rather than take nail clipper's, leatherman tools, knives, and whatever else, if every passenger was issued a nice Kershaw or Buck, or whoever won the bid knife and all 40, or 400 passengers had one, no one would be very inclined to get stabbed 80 or 90 times while failing to do what they'd set out to do. Of course we could also go back to the 60's when this country was a little more free and probably 2/3's of men had a pocket knife on them most of the time but realize how far we've fallen just by the fact this article / review was written. The FAA and now TSA went exactly in the opposite direction following September 11 and people still say we need these safety measures we have to make airplanes gun free, knife free, letter open free, oh yeah breast milk free, while granny and her granddaughter are felt up as they go through security, great plan guys. Sorry .
Rant off
12 posted on 04/28/2006 5:27:14 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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Fable, huh? I wonder how he'd have felt being on that flight! Or had a relative on that flight.


13 posted on 04/28/2006 5:30:14 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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"... a passenger uprising that disrupted the hijackers' plans—happened on that flight. But is it possible to separate it out from the other events of the day? In three out of four cases savage mass murderers prevailed."

Ron Rosenbaum just can't seem to get past the fact that even on the most tragic day in America some Americans still managed to fight back and win. His objectivity is a fable.

14 posted on 04/28/2006 5:34:04 AM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want AMNESTY, muchacho!")
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LOL, Rosenbaum sounds like a Nancy Boy, of course he's jealous of real men taking charge.
15 posted on 04/28/2006 5:34:48 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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The key mythology is the Left's anti-american mythology. America is the second most hated nation on the earth and the Left is a full fledged participant in this hatred.

Slate and her readers find Flight 93 to be heresy. We are not United Americans-- we are shameful Americans who do nothing but harm to others. We richly deserve the rituals of terrorists.

This is a shallow beginning of an extensive effort to make sure this movie does not produce American pride. America's multicultural fundamentalists must remain in control and tell us mythic tales of Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. We must continue to bow to "true saints" like Cindy Sheehan and other coward paraded in front of us as appropriate PC victims.


16 posted on 04/28/2006 5:36:45 AM PDT by lonestar67
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What an a-hole.

But then again.....I know a few in the MSM that have this point of view and their comments never fail to amaze.

21 posted on 04/28/2006 6:13:06 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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The lame stream media is obviously worried about this movie. I hope and pray that it does well at the box office.


23 posted on 04/28/2006 6:23:14 AM PDT by texasmountainman (Remember the heroic men and women of Flight 93-go watch United 93.)
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To the left, truth is whatever they think serves their interests. As Lenin said, "Truth is whatever serves the party." They really believe that. Anything that serves their side is true and anything that doesn't is untrue, and that's all there is to it.

They also believe in another old adage, that if you repeat something often enough, it becomes true. That's from Goebbels.


24 posted on 04/28/2006 6:24:45 AM PDT by TBP
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And black is white and up is down ... yada, yada.

You know the nuclear weapon that destroys people but not buildings or infrastructure? My fantasy is that I am given a weapon that seeks out only America hating "journalists", teachers and pols while leaving normal people untouched.


27 posted on 04/28/2006 6:41:47 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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What's his opinion on Holocaust deniers?


29 posted on 04/28/2006 7:03:46 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Go home and fix your own country before you complain about ours.)
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Success is the best revenge against cynics such as the author.


39 posted on 04/28/2006 8:46:13 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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When the controversy over the trailer for the new film erupted recently, the question was, "Is it too soon?" I wonder if the question should be, "Are there too many?"

I'm sure he said exactly the same thing when good Night and Good Luck came out, it being about the seven millionth movie made about the "horrors of the McCarthy era." In contrast, three movies about terrorism is "too much."

Could it be that the three films are a symptom of our addiction to fables of redemptive uplift that shield us from the true dimensions of the tragedy? Redemptive uplift: It's the official religion of the media, anyway. There must be a silver lining; it's always darkest before the dawn; the human spirit will triumph over evil; there must be a pony.

Despicable little POS. I'm sure he said the same thing about the hundreds of thousands of Hollywood movies made about evil corporate fatcat polluters brought to justice by plucky underdog trial lawyers (The Rainmaker, The Runaway Jury, A Civil Action, etc. etc. etc.).

The difference is that there really were terrorists on Flight 93, and there really were unarmed Americans who stood up to them. That's why it's necessary to call it a "fable" with "a pony"--implying that it's a made-up children's story--to put it on the same plane as Hollywood lefty fantasies that we know are made up.

42 posted on 04/28/2006 10:25:39 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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