Religion may hinder Romney in '08

Chicago Sun Times ^

[SDGOP]

Prominent, respectable Evangelical Christians have told me, not for quotation, that millions of their co-religionists cannot and will not vote for Romney for president solely because he is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If Romney is nominated and their abstention results in the election of Hillary Rodham Clinton, that's just too bad. The evangelicals are adamant, saying there is no way Romney can win them over.

[eastsider]

This conservative Catholic would sooner vote for a conservative Mormon like Romney than a squishy Catholic like Giuliani. (Sorry, Rudy.)

[fieldmarshaldj]

I'll tell you what's dumb and a waste of bandwith is devoting 5 seconds to give serious consideration to a failed one-term RINO Governor from one of the worst states in America.

[maine-iac7]

I know about Mormonism, and don't believe it is a Christian denomination LOL. Where to being!

Answer me this: Why is the name of the church The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints""(They can't fool you with that, can they?

I could add lots more, but I am not responding to you as much as to those who, reading your post, might believe you.

This sculpture in SLC is just a ruse too?

Here's just one of many FREE movies you can get from the LDS church: "Finding Faith in Christ" http://www.lds.org/images/welcomechristus/christus.gif

Many others: http://www.mormon.org/ecard/create.jsp

and they only use thousands of paintings of Jesus throughout the Bible and the Book of Mormon, their Sunday school materials, etc etc - just to confuse???

This one of Holbein's that they use most is one of my all time paintings of Jesus, along with Rembrandt's Head of Christ.

Holbein's, from the Mormon site at:

http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,794-1,00.html

and this from the Net, Rembrandt's

As a portrait artist, who has done many renditions of Jesus, these are my favorites

[thelastvirgil]

>>I admit to not knowing much about the LDS.<<

I'll get flamed for saying this, but I admit to knowing enough about LDS that I would never vote for a Mormon for any high office. I am not an evangelical, but consider myself a "Buzzard Baptist"; I only go to church when someone near to me dies.

Mormonism is just too weird to suit my tastes in a president, and Romney is no conservative -- strike two.

[onyx]

Is a squirt gun being held to your head forcing you to this thread?

[Oliver Optic]

Right ... and if you as a Catholic decided not to vote for an evangelical like me ... because you think my rejection of Catholicism calls into question my good judgment ... that is your right.

And you are no "bigot" for doing so.

Not saying you think that way, JZ ... just that some people around here like to throw around the "b" word entirely too much.

[nj26]

"That said, Romney's abortion wafflings will cost him more evangelical votes than his Mormonism."

Well-said. Romney is a flip-flopper of the first order.

We need a principled pro-life, pro-border-security conservative as the nominee. For example, Tom Coburn.

[maine-iac7]

Having turned away dozens of Mormon missionaries from my door over the years, I feel I have some expertise in the matter. At least as much as the next guy who turned dozens of Mormon boys away from his door.

LOL

Well, that is undoubtedly a true statement.

Of course, since you both turned them all away - it's puzzling how this could give you such "expertise" about the Mormon Church.

Thanks for the chuckles

[Jim_Curtis]

I won't vote for him because he was elected by the same people who elected John Kerry and Ted Kennedy.

The Democrat's and their media don't seem to hate him...that's a red flag.

[maine-iac7]

not "the same as other Protestant Christian sects"

LOL

Name any of the 'other' Protestant Christian sects" that are "the same" as each other?

Surely the Catholics aren't the "same" as the Evangelicals, the Evangelicals the "same" as the Methodists, the .......well, you get the drift.

And it was the same in Joseph Smith's day. He was confused in which church to join because, as today, they all taught a different way

[RonF]

The U.S. Constitution prohibits a religious test for public office, but that is precisely what is being posed now.

Missed it in one. The U.S. Constitution prohibits the law from requiring an office holder to belong to a specific religion. That is precisely what is not being discussed here. What's being discussed is that the voters will exercise their God-given right to choose their own leaders on any basis they choose.

Romney is well aware that an unconstitutional religious test is being applied to him,

I doubt that he spoke to His Excellency Gov. Romney on the topic directly, as I'm sure Romney is far more knowledgable about the Constitution and realizes that it has nothing to do with what criteria the voters use to pick their President.

[maine-iac7]

Admittedly, most Born-Again Christians tend to be a bit boisterous in their "new clothes." And those of us who hear them proclaim, "I've found Jesus!" mumble under our breath at the proclamation...since WE NEVER LOST HIM. NTL,

LOL

[Oliver Optic]

You nailed it, brother ... I can scarcely believe Novak made those idiotic statements.

Unconstitutional for voters to include religion in their analysis of a candidate?

Are we sure this is from Novak ... and not from some junior high school newspaper?

[freakboy]

Important to note that Islam was in Afghanistan for thousands of years.

Islam has only been around for about 1400 years. I don't know how that translates into thousands.

[samm1148]

"The reason I wouldn't vote for him is because he has not taken a pro-life stand while governor of MA. My gut tells me that he is pro-life because he's a Mormon, but he put his views behind him so that he could get elected governor in MA. And not only that, he got a crazy bill passed recently that makes it against the law for anyone in that state to not carry health insurance. The guy is not a conservative. Either that or he didn't have the guts to stand up for conservative values because he wanted to be governor of Massachusetts."

You should have heard his scheme for socialized medicine that he was spouting on Rush's show the other day: Same socialist smackdown from Romney--the responsible pay the costs for the irresponsible.

Romney or Clinton? What's the difference?

[RonF]

Well, let' see. One of the biggest reasons the evangelicals won't vote for a Mormon is because "they don't' believe in Christ!" (The fact that the actual name of the church is The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints doesn't fase their pronouncements. (and "Saints" is what the original followers of Jesus called each other 2000 years ago)

You left out a couple of things. For one thing, Mormons don't believe in the Trinity; they believe that Jesus is a separate being from God. They believe that Jesus is actually the son of God and of God's wife. And that you and I are all also spiritual children of God and his wife, with our spirits placed in our bodies after our bodies' conception in our earthly parents. This and a few other beliefs are why no Christian denomination accepts Mormon baptism, while they do accept each others' baptisms. Mormons don't believe in Jesus's oneness with the Father and the Holy Ghost, they view them as 3 separate beings, each with their own power. The only people who think Mormons are Christians are Mormons.

and "They don't believe in the Bible!" (They not only believe in the Bible, they study it from verse one in Genesis to the end of Revelations.

Except for those parts of the Bible that have been "mistranslated" throughout the centuries; in those cases, the other Mormon scriptures supercede the Bible. Mormons do not accept the whole of the Bible as being the Word of God.

By all means, check out the links posted. But be sure to read them all carefully, and ask questions about how Mormons view the doctrine of the Trinity, etc. Ask about the belief that if you and your wife live properly, you can be elevated from your mortal status not just to Heaven, but to actual divinity and get your own planet to be God over and populate with your spiritual children.

[RonF]

Please see my post 116.

[Responsibility2nd]

I nominate your reply for the POD

the Post Of the Day

Conversatives do not trust ANYONE from the east coast.

Not Guiliani
Not Pataki
And not Romney.

The problem that leaves (for some) is that McCain is "what's left". (He's from Arizona)

[Heartofsong83]

I'd vote for a Muslim if he or she shared my beliefs...

[hunter112]

Let's face it, the primary reason most Christian denominations don't like Mormons is that they proseletize heavily. The LDS church is "competition". With their success rates, they're fairly effective competition, too.

That said, I find your Mormon artwork interesting, I just wonder why it all shows Jesus (and other biblical figures) looking so very northern European.