"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

[infidel29]

Good rant.

As a former left of center independent, who has become way more conservative than my lifelong conservative friends I can't vote the RINOs out in primaries until I complete my transformation to the good side of the force. That doesn't mean I don't know how things should be done.

The way to get our agenda through all the liberal BS is to increase the majority until it is idiot proof. So that speed bumps like Specter, Chaffee, Snow, Collins, Hagel... on and on, no longer matter. A nice 60 - 40 senate split would do it. And would send the message to the RINOs that they aren't safe when their time is up.

[Toby06]

I don't have the name list handy, as I don't visit antifreep websites, but there is an awful lot of sideband chatter to that regard. Where is Willie Green, btw?

[SoCalPol]

Excellent rant!!

There seems to be folks in different categories that are undermining.
The DU and Third Party trolls who have nothing constructive
to offer but trouble.

Also the ones who find fault with the President at every policy.

And the ones who find fault if you support the President but may not agree with a policy and are put in the all or nothing position.

We need to keep a Republican majority. I don't want StretchPelosi as Speaker.
I don't want Democrats as chairman of committies.

[I got the rope]

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Yeah, it tells you that he's a smart politician. It would be a crazy thing to let the media get a shot of Bush holding KH's hand. Why launch a thousand rumors on the wacky-left MSM? And, by the way, you have no idea how comfortable he was holding hands with the Arab.

So...which is it? Do you or do you not care what the Drive-by media says? You're not a conservative you're a confused Bushbot...so please spare us... you whiner.

[Torie]

Cameron was more than 84% Latino in the 2000 census. Also, Latinos who don't live in Hispanic ghettos, tend I suspect to be more GOP.

[Torie]

I think the drop off is straight line, but i could be wrong. Having said that, Bush ran very well among rural Latinos in Texas.

[mdittmar]

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values.

Thanks for the reminder,We have more responsibility.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

[Pukin Dog]

I'm tired and signing off for the night. But, I would like to welcome everyone to the next chapter of trolling for trolls. I think a lot of you understand that many of us are tired from today's activities so you are choosing now to come out from under your rocks. No matter. All things in due time. Yall come back now.

[nopardons]

Oooooooooooo...it's the Jooooooooooooooos, the Trilats, the Buildyourownburgers, Skull&Bones, the Masons, the Illuminati, the Gnomes of Switzerland, and how many other pet bogeymen?

Are you seeing the black helicopters circling your house, these days? LOL

[ClancyJ]

I have not even mentioned the fence. I would love a fence and I will fight for it - but I will not throw in the towel and give my vote to a democrat for anything.

I am talking about those that threaten to quit if they do not get their way. Or those that want to teach the GOP a lesson by making them lose.

People like that will just move to another issue and do the same.

They are quitters and that is their only power. They do not stand and fight - they stick the GOP in the eye on any particular point not going their way. We don't need those tactics.

We need people who are fighting the dems and the destruction of this country. And, the only ones subject to getting into office and fighting for our side are the Republicans even though many are worthless.

I don't appreciate conservatives gambling with the future of my country.

[AntiGuv]

Yeah, well, as is frequently noted around here, George W. Bush will never run for election again.

[Admin Moderator]

People have gotten banned for not being bushbots,plain & simple.

Baloney.

[Torie]

They're Italians. Just ask Barone.

[nopardons]

BRAVO!

[Warren_Piece]

One thing I will throw at you: I'm not sure I'm buying your premise about Bush 41. First off, let me say that you are correct that the tax hike caused a mass defection of the base. But I don't neccessarily agree that the reason he lost was the tax hike/defection.

I remember that year well. Clinton was a WEAK candidate. He "came back" about 3 times that year. Bush still should have won, and probably would have, even WITH the mass defections, save for 3 events:

1) Pat Buchanan uttering the words "religious war" at the convention.
2) Goofy-man entering as a 3rd party candidate on his personal vendetta against the Bushs.
3) Bush 41 looking at his watch during one of the debates.

The first drove away the soccer moms that might have given Bush the win. The second drew in not tax hawks, but deficit hawks (that was his main campaign theme), also "Reagan" union types and anti-NAFTA folks. The third gave the impression to the mushy middle that Bush didn't really want the job, so they gladly obliged. (and don't forget about the "little things" - supermarket scanner, "bozos", etc .

My premise is (and always will be) is that the election is won by winning over the mushy middle. If the base defects, you have to pull in even more of the middle, but you can still win. Bush would have STILL won (most people thought Billy-Boy was a joke) if it hadn't been for those events I listed above.

So once again, I don't buy your premise. There are many political analysts, poll analysts, etc. who post at FR. Maybe they can tell us whose premise is correct?

[Beagle8U]

"Let things be imported and let the prices raise."

The single issue I was speaking of in my post was stoop farm labor. Thats it. I'm not wanting to depend on food imports, and once that small farm goes under, the land gets developed and will never come back into production.

Most other jobs that immigrants are doing, other legal Americans will do for any reasonable wage, stoop labor isn't one they will though.

We need to go back to a "migrant worker" program like we had in the early 60's, pick the crops, then go home.

The liberals got rid of that program saying it was slave labor.

[Quix]

LOL! Dagnabbit, I was just trying to be polite.
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Oh. Sorry.

I guess Shrillery and polite in the same post just fries my synapses . . .

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[Publius6961]

He's not a dictator, some posts make me think that the poster believes the President can snap his fingers and a problem is solved. Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that, and with the latest venom being directed toward the immigration issue...well that problem has been with us for years, and is not easily solved, so why all the uproar, all of a sudden.

This reminds me of the dysfunctional families that will defend a juvenile delinquent no matter what. A poor analogy, granted but it begs the issue.
Clinton not only acted like a dictator, but got away with it: remember the retroactive tax increases? The mass dismissal of all the federal prosecutors upon taking office? The endless stream of executive orders that are affecting us negatively to this very day?

It is perfectly legitimate and our duty to, if not demand equally creative leadership, to wonder what the explanation for the lapse might be.

Of course this does not ever require a personal attack, but the less mature among us can't help it. After all, they all don't have a dozen personal handlers to prevent them from "foot in mouth" disease, or from putting mouth in gear before engaging brain.

[George W. Bush]

The Republican Party needs to look the country in the eye and say "We hear you!", and say they're building a physical fence, from sea-to-sea, and then start construction. It won't nearly be finished by election time, but the BorderBots will have something to vote to protect.

You're very good at parsing this and stating it in very attractive ways. I do think this would do the trick for many. For me, I already have a congressional candidate and a Dim senator to defeat so I already have a 'stake'. But there are many others who don't feel that way. You're right about how feelings play a role.

[do the dhue]

Hello Miss AmericanPie,

when our President takes the oath he/she becomes the President of all the people. That President will still guide the country in the direction he/she believes is best. I think Bush was trying to unite the people when he said that. I don't see the gun bills of the nineties, and partial birth abortion is not going on. Not all to the President's credit. Congress is Republican. Yes, we have been spending a lot. We are at war and yes we still spend money on rain forest in Iowa. These things need to stop. My concern is RINOs and I will not run from this Party. This party is Elephant territory and I don't want no stickin' RINOs on my turf. I have vowed to try to take them out in the Primary. After that I think about living with a RINO or Demorat and the clear choice is the RINO. And I actually should thank a few of them because they give us the majority over the Demorats. And Elephants hate rats.

As far as the Amnesty thing goes. I don't see it as Amnesty. Illegals did the crime and I think they should pay the fine. They should have to get in the back of the line. I think we should try to give this a chance with the understanding that we still have more work to do. Like enforcing the laws that we have on the books now. And I think we need to look at immigration as a hole. It is my understanding that people are still over staying their VISA and we do nothing about it. And our northern border needs to be addressed because terrorist are most likely to come from Canada rather then Mehico. And we must clean our own party up. These are the things we need to fix. We can do that as long as we Conservative don't cut and run. We need to defend our turf. And we will need all the people of our grass roots to help.