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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: trisham; Millee; najida

Not much more I can add that Millee and Najida haven't already said. But it seems to me that you would be devastated if you ever got banned. He just doesn't hold FR up on a giant pedestal, as you apparently do. He's not upset in the slightest that FR didn't want him around anymore.


2,941 posted on 05/18/2006 11:59:34 AM PDT by Tatze (This tagline is brought to you by the Admin Moderator!)
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To: Admin Moderator; dirtboy

I have made repeated requests to dirtboy to stop posting to me. I do not desire to engage in discussion with him however I am not opposed to in the slightest. I'd just like to keep the thread civil.


2,942 posted on 05/18/2006 12:00:24 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: dirtboy

Peddle your BS to someone who actual has an interest in it.


2,943 posted on 05/18/2006 12:01:07 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
I'd just like to keep the thread civil.

By saying someone it's TS if they don't like a letter?

2,944 posted on 05/18/2006 12:01:44 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dirtboy
Exactly. It is TS if you don't like my letter to the President. And I am actively involved in getting other people to also write the President and let him know that you and your kind do not speak for the people who elected him...and never will.

It's time that the President heard from more then just the spittle flecked bloggers with their vendettas.

2,945 posted on 05/18/2006 12:04:12 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Exactly. It is TS if you don't like my letter to the President.

That's hardly keeping the thread civil.

2,946 posted on 05/18/2006 12:04:59 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: CWOJackson

What a little priss you are....


2,947 posted on 05/18/2006 12:06:00 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: dirtboy

As I said, I would prefer not to talk with you, I don't have any hesitation and letting you know what I think. You can take that in the same way as the letter...TS.


2,948 posted on 05/18/2006 12:06:45 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Conservababe
"What a little priss you are...."

Trust me...I would never try to compete in that arena with you and your buddy. I could never hope to match your abilities.

2,949 posted on 05/18/2006 12:07:47 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
As I said, I would prefer not to talk with you, I don't have any hesitation and letting you know what I think. You can take that in the same way as the letter...TS.

More examples of your ongoing efforts to keep the thread civil.

2,950 posted on 05/18/2006 12:08:01 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Thank you, sir!

Not a "sir"

LOL

2,951 posted on 05/18/2006 12:09:27 PM PDT by apackof2 (That Girl is a Cowboy)
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To: dirtboy

Civility and you are not qualities that go together...much like you and rationale thought...


2,952 posted on 05/18/2006 12:09:51 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Civility and you are not qualities that go together...much like you and rationale thought...

I'm not the one saying "TS" on this thread. So are you really interested in civility with a post like this one?

2,953 posted on 05/18/2006 12:11:26 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: cake_crumb; dirtboy; Vicomte13
No it isn't.

The analysis clearly explicates the compound factions that support illegal immigration. It is sufficiently clear and conclusive as to warrant taking an economic position.

I can't help but have some concern about the long-term viability of our Republic, which means I'm not be as mercenary as some. The real pros don't even retain their residence/citizenship - they know what's happening and are actively gaming the system to financially benefit.

However, I'm not one to cry over spilt milk and am participating in the same hedges. It's actually quite easy: just identify who/what has benefited from what occurred in California & Los Angeles. What asset class has increased in value? (By the same measure, which ones declined and are suitable for shorting?)

If the short-term (amnesty) or long-term (open borders) prognoses are negative, then it behooves one to have their nest egg somewhere where it's nice & safe.

2,954 posted on 05/18/2006 12:12:11 PM PDT by lemura
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To: dirtboy

You have no interest in civility, otherwise you would do as I asked and quit posting to me. Seems like you enjoy being told TS. Get used to it...with your political agenda that's all your political future holds for you.


2,955 posted on 05/18/2006 12:13:36 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: RinaseaofDs

This wave of Insanity has completely obscured the FACT that in terms of actual importance immigration is not even in the top five of the problems facing the nation.

National Security is OVERWHELMINGLY the most important issue. This dwarfs all out issues and without it makes them all moot.

Judicial Appointments is next.

Tax reduction/reform is next.

Social Security reform.

Reform of the tort system.

Protection of the family/beating back of Homosexual agenda

Foreign affairs

Yet all this is forgotten in the Illegal Insanity sweeping FR.

Rule or Ruin far rightists can never run the country but can ruin the only hope of improving it. They do not care that in a republic a tiny minority can not rule.


2,956 posted on 05/18/2006 12:15:55 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: CWOJackson
You have no interest in civility, otherwise you would do as I asked and quit posting to me

And like I said, as long as you throw insults at me or my side of this position, or engage in factual distortions, I will post to you and point those out. If you want me to stop posting to you, stick to the facts and state your position without the insults.

2,957 posted on 05/18/2006 12:16:43 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: lemura
"The analysis clearly explicates the compound factions that support illegal immigration. It is sufficiently clear and conclusive as to warrant taking an economic position."

No it isn't, because it fails to take into account the side that supports no immigration. The post was tactical, not economical. The poster was catagorizing perceived failure in the other side's tactics. Thus the military and nautical analogies.

2,958 posted on 05/18/2006 12:17:42 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Drugs? Illegals? Legalize and Tax 'Em All, Right? Right??)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Just sent to the White House by regular mail:

Mr. President,

I trust that this communication finds you and the First Lady well.

I’d like to congratulation you on the fine speech you delivered the other evening. As I listened to your words, I could not help but compare their sincerity with the increasingly shrill rhetoric of those who have continually attacked you since taking office.

I know you are a man of conviction, a man who follows his principles and not polls; in short, a statesman, and not a politician. I am thankful for that in my daily prayers.

Least your staff become disheartened by the increasing volume and direction of the attacks, I would remind them that “we” elected you to lead us in this time of great peril. When I say “we”, I mean the common everyday Americans who simply go about our daily lives without becoming swept up by surreptitious political agenda or fear of our government. No matter how imperfect our current elected government is, it is “we” who chose it.

We did not elect the journalists who manufacture news and polls to suit their political agenda. Nor did we elect the single issue advocates or talk show hosts who market conservative values for profit. Although they each claim to know the secret to make our government perfect, they do not have the courage of their convictions to run for office and affect change. Instead they attempt to circumvent “our” will and the election process through demands, threats, cajoling, creating dissent and claiming to speak for “us”.

These people do not represent your base, any more then they represent “we” the people.

Stand firm and proud, you are doing a fine job.

God Bless.

If you're tired of have a vocal minority claim to speak for you send the President a letter and let him know who what "you" think...then ask two more people to do the same. It's time that the people who elected the President let their voices be heard.

2,959 posted on 05/18/2006 12:18:22 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: dirtboy
"...as long as you throw insults at me or my side of this position..."

dirtboy, you folks do that well enought to yourselves.

2,960 posted on 05/18/2006 12:19:39 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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