Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog
Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858
It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?
A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.
Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.
We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.
In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.
The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.
The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.
We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.
The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.
Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.
I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.
This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.
I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.
Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.
I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?
Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?
If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.
Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.
Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?
Do it for Pukin.
I knew that you could.
This is a perfect illustration of the demeaning, caustic commentary that I've seen on FR of late. But it isn't directed against the President or his wife - rather, it's directed against the people that want to preserve our republic by stopping the invasion of illegal aliens. The message of this post, and many others is that if one doesn't like having illegal aliens invading this country, they must be some kind of lessor human - perhaps a racist, a troll, a DUmmy, or some other equally demeaning term.
The illegal alien issue IS the dividing wedge issue. Frankly, it's incredibly odd to me that many freepers and apparently the forum's leadership are taking such a strong stance in favor of allowing the invasion to continue. Destroying our republic is decidedly NOT a conservative principle.
(From today's Federalist Patriot)
I was a witness to it. The conversion was stunning given that PD had been fighting for some time with those opposed to illegal immigration. He'd even admitted to hiring illegal aliens and stated that he'd do it again. But he saw the ugliness of the marxist-organized marches of illegal aliens in our streets, he heard the words of the march organizers and the leaders of their movement, and he had an epiphany. Others have had that same epiphany much earlier, it will come to others later. PD has come a long way on this issue. So has the President. Both could stand to move a little further on this issue, but we have to be patient and let it happen.
It is a divisive issue, but then so was the Mier's appointment. It is easy to say, "Let's be pragmatic, and allow amnesty." That however is like trying to sweep an elephant under your rug. The long term consequences are too profound, and many wanting amnesty want to stop the debate. Let's be respectful, but continue with the debate.
Amen.
Nice rant, Pukin!
Do you call President Bush "Jorge," or a "traitor?"
If so, then you merit nothing less than attacks.
Are you here to divide, conquer, demoralize and advocate a GOP defeat in November?
If so, then you deserves attacks.
Were you sent here by the DNC and it's branches in '04?
If so, then you deserve attacks.
Rush, is that you?
Another good rant, Pukin. And Victor, I'm with you on this. We have to be in it for the long haul. Those folks who want to stay home in Nov to teach somebody a lesson need to rethink what that means. Pukin is right, no one is perfect. How do we throw over Republicans and let Dims in again? I don't see where that gets us.
And as for third parties, I've voted Libertarian in several state and federal elections. I wish I could do so again, but I WANT DIMS OUT OF OFFICE. That's it. And I'm not going to get that by voting Libertarian or Constitution Party or whatever. I'm probably more conservative than GWB, but you know what? He's still my President, still my man, and I support him.
Well golly gee...we'll just keep ourselves at the back of the bus then and enjoy the wisdom and enlightenment of '03-and-earlier crowd. (alright, I admit that was a little over the top, but you get my drift. I do respect the ol' timers a lot.)
FReepers have requested that I not post to them, and I adhere to their wishes. None of us need be harassed by others against their will.
Write this down, Tex. ANYONE CAN DISAGREE WITH PUKIN DOG.
except Rokke.
I can't disagree with you. It is sad that we have to apply so much pressure on the President just to get him to listen to his Republican base. I wish it were not so.
>>You mean like racist? bigot? democrat?
Too many on both sides of the issue engage in it. I sure as heck didn't start doing it by a long shot. I can debate the issue civilly. I can name 3 off the top of my head on the other side that couldn't do that if their lives depended on it.<<
Yep, that would be the sort of thing.... My guess is whoever started it was probably banned back in '97.
Here's my take:
A dam has a leak. There's a plug in the dam, but it's not sufficient - some water is still getting through. We're waiting on the best plug for the leak, but it's not here yet.
Those who would rather vote in a Democrat because they're angry at the inferior Republicans in office, essentially want to pull out the inferior plug and let the entire dam collapse.
Guess what? If you do that, when the new plug arrives it will be too late:
There will be Nothing Left to Save.
I, and many (most) other conservatives, want to keep the inferior plug in until the right one arrives -- thus minimizing the damage.
As an aside -- NOTHING will ever make me stay home from the polls. I fully appreciate the awesome rights I have in this country, and I don't intend to ever squander my vote.
People died and are dying for the right to vote and I will never take it for granted.
What we talked about earlier....appears you might've had a point.
lol
There should be an internet dictionary. "Lose" and "loose" will now swap meanings. "Ridiculous" will be replaced with "rediculous". "George" will be replaced with "Jorge"...
I loved the parsley analogy! Ruth Chris Steak House rocks! Best steak ever!
rant on dog, rant on. ;o)
That ain't parsley. That's oregano.
What same old talking points? You're not even in the same conversation.
I didn't say DeLay "hit the road." I said the GOP "threw him under a bus."
You want to quote my posts and criticize my posts, that's fine! If you want to "make up" "quotes" and then criticize that, no need to ping me!
I welcome your "fresh new talking points." What is the answer for re-organizing party rules to make primaries more competitive for more conservative candidates to keep incumbents from morphing into RINOs?
No, it was not a spurious charge, sir. What you have accused people of in this thread and other threads is disgusting.
And by the way, you seem to be a hypocrite in this regard. You are the King of false accusations and calling people names.
Respectfully,
Ninofan
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