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New Legislation Would Allow Statewide Gun Laws Only (OH)
nbc4i.com ^ | May 18, 2006 | NA

Posted on 05/19/2006 8:25:33 AM PDT by neverdem

Columbus Mayor Says City Leaders Should Make Gun Laws

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- A potential change to Ohio's concealed-carry law is raising concerns for the mayor of Columbus.

When it became possible for Ohioans to carry a concealed weapon with a permit, Columbus Mayor Mike Coleman made a move to keep the weapons out of city parks. Some new changes being considered at the statehouse would call for statewide gun laws only, and no city gun laws.

"I think the citizens have a lot to be worried about," Coleman said.

Coleman said he believes that city leaders should be able to make decisions about how firearms can be used within their city boundaries.

"We need to have the ability and use . . . the ability to protect our citizens, and have the ability to do so. And the state legislature's taking that ability and that right away from cities," Coleman said.

The sponsor of the bill, Rep. Jim Aslanides of Coshocton, said that if gun laws are made only at the state level, gun owners will be better able to be aware of them and comply.

"Because you have a modge-podge of different ordinances that vary from place to place, it becomes confusing and almost impossible to adhere to," Aslanides said.

The much-debated Columbus assault weapons ban would no longer apply if the state legislation passes.

Aslanides said needed laws can be implemented at the state level.

"We're talking about a general law throughout the state that everyone can live with," Aslanides said.

Several proposed changes to the concealed-carry law were in front of a Senate committee this week. The earliest the committee would vote on it is next week.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Ohio
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1 posted on 05/19/2006 8:25:34 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

disarm the good guys=arming the bad guys.

are you a f'n idiot?


2 posted on 05/19/2006 8:29:50 AM PDT by polarbear6
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To: neverdem
Pre-emption is GOOD.

Oddly enough, the ultimate "pre-emption" is the "Supreme law of the Land" says "shall not be infringed".

Should have been the end of it right there...

3 posted on 05/19/2006 8:35:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: polarbear6

What are you smoking?


4 posted on 05/19/2006 8:36:24 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"I think the citizens have a lot to be worried about," Coleman said.

Yeah, if you are the best they can do for a mayor, they do have a lot to be worried about.

5 posted on 05/19/2006 8:41:09 AM PDT by mak5
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To: neverdem
"I think the citizens have a lot to be worried about," Coleman said

As long as people like him are allowed to hold office, they sure do.

6 posted on 05/19/2006 8:56:25 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

on the plus side (for gun grabbing, hoplophobic, rats), having city by city restrictions, the cops will get to make LOTS of firearm arrests to pad their statistics. they would be able to say "we made 100 gun arrests" and not mention that 99 of them were honest, law-abiding citizens that couldn't keep up with laws that changed every 5 miles.


7 posted on 05/19/2006 10:13:33 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Dead Corpse

+1! Pre-emption way cool.. Make mine a large, please.


8 posted on 05/19/2006 11:50:48 AM PDT by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: neverdem
"I think the citizens have a lot to be worried about," Coleman said.

His statement is worthy of accommodation, however the directive he places on it is worthy of concern.

9 posted on 05/19/2006 12:16:43 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: polarbear6
are you a f'n idiot?

The mayor is behaving very rationally, as are many violently-anti-gun big city mayors

In Columbus, the CCW good guys will mostly be from the suburbs.

The thugs (and their relatives) will be the people who elected the mayor

10 posted on 05/19/2006 1:46:52 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: Dead Corpse
Should have been the end of it right there...

It won't be the "end of it" until we get a US Attorney General who files charges for 2A civil rights violations.
Don't hold your breath.

11 posted on 05/19/2006 1:49:33 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk. Those who talk don't know.)
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To: ASA Vet
We had one. Ashcroft may have been wrong on somethings, dangerously so, but at least he understood "shall not be infringed".

Could be why Jorge Arbusto replaced him with firmly anti-Gun Alberto.

12 posted on 05/19/2006 2:05:05 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: ASA Vet
Actually, since the 2A has never been subject to the Doctrine of Incorporation (note: no other amendmant should be either) state gun control laws are not constitutionally a federal function to begin with. The US constitution spells out specifically what the feds can and can't do, and leaves everything else to the states and the people.

On the other hand, since the Ohio state constitution itself guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, general gun control restrictions and pretty much any law in the state or any municipalities therein restricting ownership of pretty much any type of firearm by law abiding citizens should be unconstitutional in Ohio under the state constitution.

To make things a bit more complicated, the state constitution explicitly states that the right to keep and bear arms does not apply to concealed carry - meaning that it is only with respect to concealed carry that laws can be passed in the state either restricting or facilitating - at least if we care about the state constitution to begin with, which, of course, no Democrat and darn few Republicans in Ohio do...

13 posted on 05/19/2006 2:07:06 PM PDT by jscd3
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To: neverdem

Can't say for other States, but preemption is working quite well in Virginia, although we have to shove the preemption law down the throats of a few localities on the point of a lawsuit.


14 posted on 05/19/2006 2:10:33 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: neverdem

Can't say for other States, but preemption is working quite well in Virginia, although we have to shove the preemption law down the throats of a few localities on the point of a lawsuit.


15 posted on 05/19/2006 2:10:50 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jscd3
"Incorperation" is an incorrect legal fiction. A 20th Century one as well. One that has no place in a Constitutional Republic. One that has been kept alive by trial lawyers and gun grabbing politicians on both sides of the political isle.

The "Supreme law of the Land" says "Shall not be infringed." That should be the end of it right there. Should. No Federal agency, no State legislature, no County government, no city council, no home owners association, should be able to infringe on the individual Right to keep and bear arms.

Period. End of story.

16 posted on 05/19/2006 2:17:33 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Actually, while incorporation may be a recent creation (legal fiction if you want), you have everything else backwards

The constitution strictly limited the federal govt, not the states. The writers of the constitution did not intend it to be the controlling law for state governments - it was the controlling - and limiting - law of the federal govt.

The application of the US constitution to state and local matters expanded the jurisdiction of the federal govt...especially the jurisdiction of unelected federal justices... at the expense of state and local elected officials.

The practical result of extending the US constitution to supercede state constitutions has been a loss of freedom.

Period

17 posted on 05/19/2006 2:38:26 PM PDT by jscd3
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To: jscd3
The constitution strictly limited the federal govt, not the states.

So while slavery was outlawed Federally, the States would be within thier power to bring it back?

Keep reading. You've got a LONG way to go before you have enough facts to even come close to making this discussion interesting.

18 posted on 05/19/2006 4:44:34 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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