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How Many Congressional Representatives Do the Illegal Aliens Have?

Posted on 05/23/2006 7:24:04 PM PDT by Ragnorak

The short answer is at least four: three in California and one in Florida.  They are stolen from Michigan, Indiana, Utah, and Montana.

This isn’t about any given member of Congress advocating any particular point of view.  It is just simple math.  The number of members of the House of Representatives is set by law at 435.  After each Census these 435 seats are divided up among the States based on their population.  Here is the US Census Bureau page explaining how:

http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/apportionment/computing.html

Illegal aliens are counted in the US Census and they count toward the number of Representatives each State gets in the House of Representatives.  In their 2000 Census Congressional Apportionment Brief the Census Bureau asks:

 “Were undocumented residents (aliens) in the 50 states included in the Census 2000 apportionment population counts?” 

and answers:

“Yes, all people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in one of the 50 states were included in Census 2000 and thus in the apportionment counts.”

http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/c2kbr01-7.pdf

For now let’s ignore the absurdity of calling them undocumented, after all what are you actually doing when you count them in the Census if not documenting them.

It comes from the Constitution “Representatives ... shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/006-Constitution.pdf

According to the US Citizenship and Immigration Services as of 1996 there were 5 million illegal (oops, “undocumented”) aliens in the United States.  They gave a breakdown by State.

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/illegalalien/

I took the illegal alien population as of 1996 (the most recent US government statistic I could find with a State by State breakdown) and I subtracted the number of illegal aliens in each State from their 2000 Census populations and recalculated the Congressional apportionment without the illegal aliens.  California drops from its current 53 representatives to 50 and Florida drops from 25 to 24.  These four seats would have gone to Indiana (9 to 10), Michigan (15 to 16), Montana (1 to 2), and Utah (3 to 4).  The difference in these numbers also reflects the number of electoral votes the illegal aliens have for President.

(That’s right, if it weren’t for the illegals we could have had anyone in the State of Montana instead of Stretch Pelosi)

Now consider that we are four years away from the 2010 Census with anywhere from 11 to 20 million illegal immigrants in our Country.  Consider that the (scaled down from 217) 60 to 90 million legal immigrants proposed by the Senate will also be counted in the Census for purposes of determining Congressional representation whether or not they ever become citizens with the right to vote. 

When you look at the State level the numbers become more significant.  The primary consideration when redistricting Congressional districts is that they are of roughly equal population.  We currently have between 600,000 and 700,000 people per Congressman.  If you have an illegal alien or even legal non-citizen population in one area that approaches or exceeds that number, you wind up with a member of the House whose constituency has far more non-citizens than citizens.  Imagine a place in the United States where less than 10% of the population can vote for their Representative, yet that Representative gets the same vote as a place where 100% of the people are eligible.

This is just one of many unaddressed and ignored problems surrounding illegal immigration and I have only touched the surface.  Whether it is people coming here without vaccinations or immunizations bringing in diseases we have long ago eradicated or shifting the balance of our entire system of government, the drive-by media and our Senate have trivialized this issue to usurped inapplicable idealistic platitudes, pathetic racism smears, and the cost of a head of lettuce.


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1 posted on 05/23/2006 7:24:05 PM PDT by Ragnorak
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To: Ragnorak

apparently more than US citizens do....


2 posted on 05/23/2006 7:27:11 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Ragnorak
They can call themselves Mexicrats!
3 posted on 05/23/2006 7:28:00 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: Ragnorak

Wow! I had no idea they were counted in the census and towards Reps. That's just another reason why have to deport them, because it would take a constitutional amendment to get them to not be counted.


4 posted on 05/23/2006 7:44:46 PM PDT by Defiant ( Hey, where'd America go? It was here a minute ago.)
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To: Defiant
If things get really desperate we could always try using Mexican law to convince Souter and Ginsberg that they are "Indians not taxed."
5 posted on 05/23/2006 7:54:49 PM PDT by Ragnorak
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To: Ragnorak

ROFLMAO: 'indigenous members of Aztlan do not count towards enumerations' heh.


6 posted on 05/23/2006 8:16:51 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: Ragnorak
How Many Congressional Representatives Do the Illegal Aliens Have?

The correct question is: "How Many Illegal Aliens do Congressional Representatives Have?".

7 posted on 05/23/2006 8:18:50 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Ragnorak
How Many Congressional Representatives Do the Illegal Aliens Have? As gardening customers? This is a trick question, right?
8 posted on 05/23/2006 8:19:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Ragnorak

Not to worry, they're just virtual representatives....


9 posted on 05/23/2006 8:20:42 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Ragnorak
Yes, all people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in one of the 50 states were included in Census 2000 and thus in the apportionment counts.

I would love to give up a number of wacko far out liberals here in the Golden State, Ms. Pelosi being number one. Any takers?
10 posted on 05/23/2006 8:23:12 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: Ragnorak

LOL. Breyer might buy that one, too.


11 posted on 05/23/2006 9:00:33 PM PDT by Defiant ( Hey, where'd America go? It was here a minute ago.)
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To: TADSLOS
I'm worried about the future "virtual representatives." 60-90 million legal immigrants also get counted in the Census for purposes of apportionment.

We are currently at about 650,000 people per House seat. Add 90 million to the population and we're at 850,000 per House seat. That 90 million non-citizen population will therefore account for almost 106 seats in the House and 106 electoral votes when it comes to elect a President. The actual math is a little more complicated, but not that far off. We are looking at a bill that will shift Representation in the House and power to elect the President from citizens in States without immigrant influxes to States with high immigrant or illegal alien populations creating a huge disproportion in the value of a vote.

Considering the way redistricting works and that aliens --illegal or legal -- tend to concentrate in geographic areas, many of those House members will be in districts that are mostly non-citizens. So the US citizens in Montana will get a virtual representative in Los Angeles.
12 posted on 05/24/2006 6:53:06 AM PDT by Ragnorak
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To: Ragnorak

As to the cost of a head of lettuce, I have read that only 1.5 million of the 11 to 12 million illegals are field workers.


13 posted on 05/24/2006 7:22:24 AM PDT by McGavin999
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As to the cost of a head of lettuce, I have read that only 1.5 million of the 11 to 12 million illegals are field workers.

I suppose that means we can load up 9.5 million illegals and ship `em out. Works for me.

14 posted on 05/24/2006 1:58:32 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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