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Beyond Immigration Rhetoric
American Conservative Union ^ | 7/18/2006 | David A. Keene

Posted on 07/18/2006 8:12:32 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh

The war over immigration reform among conservatives continues, and, as in most wars, truth has been one of the first casualties.

Those who disagree with the hardening positions of people who would adopt more restrictive policies or with people who favor less restrictive measures are attacked as know-nothings, traitors or handmaidens of evil forces out to destroy the America we live in.

Many conservatives reacted angrily to the way the Bush administration tried to demonize opposition to the president’s quasi-amnesty and guest-worker proposals when they were first introduced. Critics at the time were characterized as racists or “nativists” more interested in trashing Mexicans than in a rational approach to immigration reform. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R) of Colorado was semipublicly horsewhipped by White House officials and told never again to darken the president’s door.

It was a foolish way to begin an important debate and was quickly abandoned, as even the most ardent supporters of the Bush approach realized that the critics were speaking for millions of Americans who were troubled by the president’s plan. Since then, while sticking to its guns in advocating what it likes to call a “comprehensive” solution to the immigration problem, the administration has moved border security up as the first and most important element of any plan.

The problem is that rhetoric won’t do it, for the simple reason that, having been there and done that in 1986, people want to see results. Whether they might support other elements of a “comprehensive” plan, that support won’t materialize until they see evidence of a real commitment to gain control of our borders.

As the debate opened several years ago, those seeking more restrictionist or rational policies were unequivocal in acknowledging the importance of legal immigration and rejected as farcical the charge that what they really want are not secure but closed borders and a massive national effort to round up the illegals here today and send them packing. But positions have hardened in the days since.

I count myself among those who believe that we must first secure our borders and that we should make it uncomfortable for those here illegally to work or take advantage of the perks that go with being a U.S. citizen. I oppose nonresident tuition for their children and would change the law so that those born of illegals on U.S. soil wouldn’t automatically become eligible for citizenship. I support strong employer sanctions, and I oppose the sort of amnesty proposed by Sen John McCain (R-Ariz.).

At the same time, I recognize, as do most Americans, that we benefit from legal immigration and should continue to serve as a beacon to those seeking a better life because in doing so they can improve our lives as well as their own. The problem is not where immigrants come from but whether we require those seeking citizenship to learn and commit to what it means to be an American and whether we welcome those we need without overwhelming our ability to assimilate or absorb them.

The vehemence of the recent attack on Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) for trying to come up with a plan that would mandate border security first, impose heavy sanctions on employers who hire illegals and require them to leave the country if they ever hope to work here legally shocked me. Tom Tancredo attacked Pence before he could know what was in the plan, Pat Buchanan says that his disagreement with him and his friends signals the end of Pence’s career, and some of Pence’s colleagues whom he counts among his strongest friends and supporters are looking at him these days as if he’s some sort of traitor.

Actually, that’s exactly what Buchanan thinks he is; a traitor to the “cause” and a part of the secret plan to grant amnesty to illegals. Those of us who actually had kind things to say about Pence’s approach were cited in his attack as indicators that “the fix is in.”

Pence’s approach is not perfect, and he has been modifying it to answer legitimate substantive criticism. That’s the way things are supposed to work. It’s the way serious public figures go about the business of solving problems and developing sound public policy.

It’s too early to say whether Pence’s willingness to tackle one of the most serious and politically dangerous policy questions facing the nation from a conservative perspective will lead to an acceptable solution, but, unlike many of his critics, Mike Pence must be counted among Washington’s most serious public figures.

Mr. Keene is the chairman of the American Conservative Union and a managing associate with the Carmen Group, a Washington, D.C.-based governmental-affairs firm.

The above op-ed is also available at http://www.conservative.org/columnists/keene/060718dk.asp.


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...that support won’t materialize until they see evidence of a real commitment to gain control of our borders.

Real commitment. Lots of luck.

These members of the EPC (Elite Political Class) are more interested in the "Guest Voter Program" than they are in the wishes of the American people.

How can we have a War On Terror with porous borders?

1 posted on 07/18/2006 8:12:33 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh
"The vehemence of the recent attack on Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) for trying to come up with a plan that would mandate border security first, impose heavy sanctions on employers who hire illegals and require them to leave the country if they ever hope to work here legally shocked me. Tom Tancredo attacked Pence before he could know what was in the plan, Pat Buchanan says that his disagreement with him and his friends signals the end of Pence’s career, and some of Pence’s colleagues whom he counts among his strongest friends and supporters are looking at him these days as if he’s some sort of traitor."

The Pence Shamnesty is as bad as the rest:

Another “No Amnesty” Amnesty It was a nice try, at least.

2 posted on 07/18/2006 8:17:21 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh
It’s too early to say whether Pence’s willingness to tackle one of the most serious and politically dangerous policy questions facing the nation from a conservative perspective will lead to an acceptable solution, but, unlike many of his critics, Mike Pence must be counted among Washington’s most serious public figures.

Tancredo advanced a guest worker program, along with border security, in 2003. IOW, he promoted a plan almost identical to Pence's.

But, now, Tancredo blasts Pence's plan because Tancredo needs illegal immigration as an issue. He has no intention of signing off on any plan that would remove it from the radar.

3 posted on 07/18/2006 8:17:35 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

In all compromise, the evil advances and the good recedes.


4 posted on 07/18/2006 8:18:40 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

Pence's plan is still amnesty for illegal workers and the criminals who employ them. They take a quick trip, come back to the same jobs, and the employer gets to call his illegal worker legal. If that's not amnesty, I don't know what is.


5 posted on 07/18/2006 8:18:51 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh
How can we have a War On Terror with porous borders?

We can't.
6 posted on 07/18/2006 8:19:53 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

IBTOBL?


7 posted on 07/18/2006 8:26:22 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

Missed it by a few posts. Oh well, there's always next time.


8 posted on 07/18/2006 8:27:19 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

The war over immigration reform among conservatives continues...
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Wrong. Conservatives are united on the ILLEGAL immigration issue. The war exists between vote-hungry LIBERALS and conservatives. Conservatives want the border SEALED then deal with the ILLEGALS here. Liberals just want amnesty, the continued rape of the taxpayer, and to sweep it all under the rug.

One faction is concerned about America, the other is only concerned with gettting re-elected and vote-power. Such a gigantic disparity.


9 posted on 07/18/2006 8:30:21 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: sinkspur

Here ya go:
http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr3534.html


10 posted on 07/18/2006 8:31:05 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: sinkspur
1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose >births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).

(All the above from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was, after subtracting taxes immigrants pay,a NET $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle,Rice University.)

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE number.

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

If they can come to this country to raise Hell and demonstration by the thousands, Why can't they take charge over the corruption in their own country?

We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.

On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match. The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."

Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world immigrants should get special, privileged status. Some examples are Exxon,Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more.

Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of the defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals. Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican national accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so? According to the L.A. Times, Orange County, California is home to 275 gangs with 17,000 members; 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.

11 posted on 07/18/2006 8:32:09 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh (If life was fair, Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators would be dead.)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh
In fact Congressman Steve King says Pence's Shamnesty Plan is worse than the Senates. [If that's possible]

Say It Ain’t So, Mike [ The Pence immigration plan has let conservatives down.]

12 posted on 07/18/2006 8:33:02 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

They refuse to pay attention to the American citizens and are, by and large, reprehensible!


13 posted on 07/18/2006 8:35:24 AM PDT by BerlinStrausbaugh (If life was fair, Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators would be dead.)
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To: mysterio

Well......Homeland Security is doing a great job of shaking down gray haired old white folks in airports so no-one can say they're not trying.......(sarc/off)


14 posted on 07/18/2006 8:35:47 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

If you keep posting facts, you will upset the Open Borders, pro-Illegals crew we have here at FR.


15 posted on 07/18/2006 8:36:57 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

I have no idea what any of that has to do with the issue of a guest worker program proposed by Mike Pence, and opposed by Tancredo, who had his own, identical guest worker program three years ago.


16 posted on 07/18/2006 8:37:47 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: american spirit
Yes, I'm not sure why we should be expected to inconvenience ourselves if there isn't even a token effort to keep people from coming in. It's like we are under constant watch in our own house because they want to leave the doors wide open 24 hours a day.
17 posted on 07/18/2006 8:42:35 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: sinkspur
Who cares if Tancredo's a hypocrite? That doesn't make Pence's plan not amnesty. The issue matters, not the politician that is pushing this side or that. Just because Pence has been a good conservative over the years, a lot of people think that makes his amnesty plan more palatable than Bush's. But they all taste the same to me.
18 posted on 07/18/2006 8:46:45 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: BerlinStrausbaugh

Great info.......just curious, how recent was that LAT data regarding illegals?


19 posted on 07/18/2006 8:47:25 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: mysterio

It's not amnesty. You guys are wearing that word out to the point where it is just about meaningless.


20 posted on 07/18/2006 8:50:00 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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