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Seeing the Serpent [Human Evolution]
University of California, Davis ^ | 19 July 2006 | Staff (press release)

Posted on 07/20/2006 6:58:11 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The ability to spot venomous snakes may have played a major role in the evolution of monkeys, apes and humans, according to a new hypothesis by Lynne Isbell, professor of anthropology at UC Davis. The work is published in the July issue of the Journal of Human Evolution.

Primates have good vision, enlarged brains, and grasping hands and feet, and use their vision to guide reaching and grasping. Scientists have thought that these characteristics evolved together as early primates used their hands and eyes to grab insects and other small prey, or to handle and examine fruit and other foods.

Isbell suggests instead that primates developed good close-up eyesight to avoid a dangerous predator -- the snake.

"A snake is the only predator you really need to see close up. If it's a long way away it's not dangerous," Isbell said.

Neurological studies by others show that the structure of the brain's visual system does not actually fit with the idea that vision evolved along with reaching and grasping, Isbell said. But the visual system does seem to be well connected to the "fear module," brain structures involved in vigilance, fear and learning.

Fossils and DNA evidence show that snakes were likely the first serious predators of modern mammals, which evolved about 100 million years ago. Fossils of snakes with mouths big enough to eat those mammals appear at about the same time. Other animals that could have eaten our ancestors, such as big cats, and hawks and eagles, evolved much later.

Venomous snakes evolved about 60 million years ago, raising the stakes and forcing primates to get better at detecting them.

"There's an evolutionary arms race between the predators and prey. Primates get better at spotting and avoiding snakes, so the snakes get better at concealment, or more venomous, and the primates respond," Isbell said.

Some primate groups less threatened by snakes show fewer signs of evolutionary pressure to evolve better vision. For example, the lemurs of Madagascar do not have any venomous snakes in their environment, and in evolutionary terms "have stayed where they are," Isbell said. In South America, monkeys arrived millions of years before venomous snakes, and show less specialization in their visual system compared with Old World monkeys and apes, which all have good vision, including color.

Having evolved for one purpose, a good eye for color, detail and movement later became useful for other purposes, such as social interactions in groups.

Isbell is currently working on a book about primate origins, including her snake hypothesis.


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To: Junior

That kind of stuff isn't newsworthy. Happens all the time.

If you want to convince me, you'll have to show me a real miracle, like a statue that cries real tears.


141 posted on 07/20/2006 1:13:49 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138
If you want to convince me, you'll have to show me a real miracle


142 posted on 07/20/2006 1:18:48 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: SaveUS; js1138; Junior

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.

-- Emo Philips


143 posted on 07/20/2006 1:19:58 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Nathan Zachary
LMAO! It's teeth are an "evolutionary adaptation??" LMAO!!

A monkeys anus is an 'evolutionary adaptation" as well a monkeys fingers. They developed to fling feces at evolutionists.

I hope by this post that we have now reached the nadir of creationist "argument".

From here it can only go up!(but not in the sense of actually evolving, you understand, just up.)

144 posted on 07/20/2006 1:20:12 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: headsonpikes

I thought the opposition was being more intelligent than usual. Monkey feces is a step up.


145 posted on 07/20/2006 1:23:21 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: SaveUS

"Wow. I am astounded. Tell me how. Give details.
"

Oh, it's easy. You just say, "Let there be whatever, and whatever appears." It's a snap if you're omnipotent, you see. Sadly, I'm not omnipotent. At my age, I'm lucky I'm any kind of potent.


146 posted on 07/20/2006 2:05:28 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Virginia-American

Ablatives will be found in excess in the taxonomic keys.


147 posted on 07/20/2006 2:21:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Virginia-American
An Emo Phillips fan!

I was walking across a bridge one day, and i saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well…are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

-- Emo Phillips

:)


148 posted on 07/20/2006 3:16:41 PM PDT by forsnax5 (The greatest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.)
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To: MineralMan

"At my age, I'm lucky I'm any kind of potent."

LOL Yeah Buddy. Me too!


149 posted on 07/20/2006 3:54:37 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Elpasser

"OK, evolutionists, let's hear your howls of protest and derision."

I don't necessarily believe that is the exact reason for vision changes. Seems maybe a better explanation (and I have no proof of this) is that eyesight may have gotten better because certain foods that they adapted to eat blended with the environment, so that was necessary. But it doesn't matter because it is all part of intellectual discussion/debate. It also is not religion. Religion has nothing to go on. Science has millions of years of fossil evidence. Faith isn't science. It is blind hope for people who feel really guilty.


150 posted on 07/20/2006 4:05:36 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: Junior

"and the dead walking the Earth that accompanied Jesus' death."

Sounds like Monday morning at my office!

Gone on vacation, hold the fort down. SeeYa.


151 posted on 07/20/2006 4:07:45 PM PDT by SaveUS
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To: happyathome

152 posted on 07/20/2006 4:15:55 PM PDT by Quick1 (There is no Theory of Evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.)
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Placemarker.


153 posted on 07/20/2006 6:10:56 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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To: Stultis; wyattearp
"Spiders are just so... alien"

Man, you have no idea. I lived in Colombia for a year and I saw several spiders of whom I said exactly that, they must be from another planet. Forget your poisonous snakes, you can usually see those things -- and for the record there were no poisonous snakes where I lived in Colombia -- but spiders, uggghhhhhh! You could be right on top of one, or worse one could be right on top of you, without ever knowing it.

Did you ever hear of a spider that eats birds? Think I'm kidding don't you? I'm not. This one is called the "Goliath Tarantula" or the "Goliath Bird Eating Spider" or Theraphosa Blondi. Colombia is not their true home, and the only online source I have found giving information on this beast does not list Colombia as its natural range (Venezuela, Brazil, the Guianas), but I assure you they exist in Colombia -- by my own eyes -- where they are called Polleros, because they seem to thrive on little chicken hatchlings (Pollitos), whose tissue they dissolve with their venom, after which they suck it out. There is even film, as you can read about at the above link, of one of these eating a deadly venomous Fer-de-Lance snake -- how's that for bad?

They can grow to twelve inches across from leg tip to leg tip:



Alien indeed!
154 posted on 07/20/2006 6:27:30 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques

They can grow to twelve inches across from leg tip to leg tip:

Now that's one big spider. I hope I never observe one in my lifetime, other than in captivity. I wonder how fast they can move. Every spider I've killed was pretty damn fast, no matter how big, if I didn't get it the first try. And then there are the ones that got away..they were even faster.

155 posted on 07/20/2006 6:42:20 PM PDT by ml1954 (NOT the BANNED disruptive troll who was seen frequently on CREVO threads.)
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To: happyathome
Evolution is a hypothesis - it is neither proven fact nor universally accepted science. Its flaws and holes have been repeatedly pointed out. Rather than address those flaws and holes, proponents of the hypothesis lump their critics in the category of "uneducated fanatics" and go back to spinning fantastic elaborations of the theory.

Well, since you thought that science had no explanation for the evolution of "eyes and limbs," and you were subsequently given plenty of wonderful links explaining just that... I'm curious what other "holes and flaws" you have up your sleeve. do tell.
156 posted on 07/20/2006 6:45:23 PM PDT by whattajoke (It's always Groundhog Day to a Creationist)
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To: ml1954
The live one I saw displayed no outstanding feats of speed, though if the information I was given about their "hunting" skills is true, they must have some. These spiders depend on stealth. I was told -- I want to be clear this is anecdotal -- that they spin one strand of webbing right above the ground and use it as a trip wire. When a little chick crosses the "trip wire" the spider, who is hidden out of sight nearby, comes rushing out to bite it and inject it with venom, which kills the chick almost instantly. However, it is supposed to take quite a while for the venom to dissolve the muscle tissue of the chick before the spider can suck it out, it's something like a raw meat slurpy, so the spider then pulls the chick into hiding and will probably return to hunting more while it waits. My guess is that if this anecdote is true, then it would probably have to be pretty fast to catch a baby chick.

And for the record, the natural enemy of this spider is a wasp that stings it with a paralyzing venom to immobilize it while it lays its eggs and, when the eggs hatch, the young wasps have a ready-made supply of live food. The wasp is called El Bravero and, even though it has a deadly sting all its own, was very well liked by the local population because they know it keeps these spiders in check. I learned to like the wasps myself.
157 posted on 07/20/2006 6:52:19 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: Junior
Any evidence, by its nature, would be natural, obviating the need for the supernatural.

Jumping the gun there. The question is how one falsifies the assertion that the supernatural was involved in the first place.

Derision is not logically sufficient.

"How many angels CAN dance on the head of a pin" implies you have a 100% effective angel detector, with no false positives or negatives; and the angels have not developed any ECM, or have signed a unilateral treaty not to use it.

(Stir, stir, stir...)

Cheers!

158 posted on 07/20/2006 6:55:57 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SaveUS
Religion is a tactic to control people.

I understand the Bacchanalia were *very* constraining.

Cheers!

159 posted on 07/20/2006 7:00:03 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: StJacques

160 posted on 07/20/2006 7:08:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (The Enlightenment gave us individual rights, free enterprise, and the theory of evolution.)
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