FReep this poll regarding Rummy and whether or not he should resign

CapitalNews.org ^ | 8/5/06 | GeorgiaDawg32

[bwteim]

VaMarVet wrote

"Moot point, as one poster has pointed out you can simply clear cookies and vote multiple times."

"Would you suggest that our national elections be handled in the same manner?"

(1) What else is new? We have discussed the inanity of polls via this method ad nauseum on FR. Despite that, MSM gets seems to get a kick out of reporting 'results' that may skewer a particular person or persons.

(2) I'd hazard a guess and say that voting via AlGor's invention is coming down the road, whether you or I like it or not. That will lead to even more avenues of election abuse... which I think was your point.

[mad_as_he$$]

I do.

But I also believe Rummy has botched several things. You cannot run a war on the cheap for the long term. Both Iraq and Afghanistan are teetering on the edge of serious civil unrest. My future son-in-law is a Marine who was wounded last week in Ramadi. They have been there for 6 months and lost 7 Marines in his Company. 3/8. They rarely get Cobra cover and have had over 20 IEDS go off in their convoys. Ramadi is owned by AQ. They have their own tax system and control the food and gas. Their force is too small by half. The Iraqi police are all but useless and Ramadi is not the only place I hear this from. In addition. we have NO MORE COMBAT READY brigades in the Army. None that are Stateside are combat certified. There has not been enough equipment procurement to keep up with the war. Rummy is behind the curve on that also. We are seriously getting into the the lifespan of much of our gear and it is really going to hurt in the next few years.

Flame on but I am confident in my information. I make a living watching Military hardware and it's life span.

[SuziQ]

Oops! I may have read that wrong, maybe it's 58% - 42%. That sounds more like it.

[do the dhue]

What I advocate is competent leadership in that war.

The only threat I see in Iraq are IEDs, suicide bombers, and Demorats yelling that things are so bad we need to pull out or change leadership.

I simply don't see it that way. I think our leadership has done well to keep as many troops alive as they have. Especially if it is as bad as the media says it is. I have friends over there who say it ain't like the media says. I am tired of listening to simple minded demorats saying this and that and so and so needs to go. Let these people do their job. Give them all the tools they need to do it. Be patient enough to get through the tough times. Tough times never last but tough people do. Don't make knee jerk decisions and fire people because the Demorats and the media says you should. Pick up a weapon and stand your post. And we will see it through the end.

[Just A Nobody]

I think listening to appeasers and peaceniks is detrimental.
these people understand something different then I do

Good points! The stories I have been told about the Iraqi security forces support your story and subsequent thoughts. We should quit trying to turn them into the PC girlie forces that some our trying to do to our forces and let them handle the situation. They would be able to put an end to the problems rather quickly.

[VaMarVet]

The only threat I see in Iraq are IEDs, suicide bombers, and Demorats yelling that things are so bad we need to pull out or change leadership.

I simply don't see it that way. I think our leadership has done well to keep as many troops alive as they have.

Man, I really have to cut the grass, but I peek and see inane posts like this.

No military end-state is to “keep troops alive” – the military end-state is to win with minimal casualties. If you want to throw at me “force protection” as a mission then I say we can do that just as well in Camp Lejeune, Fort Bragg, Camp Pendleton, Fort Campbell, etal.

Successful COIN operations entail being out there – amongst the local population – our Internet café, Starbucks FOB’s do nothing to win the war – only make some comfortable until rotation home. Moreover, they alienate the locals who have intermittent electricity and not much else in terms of essential services. Let’s get real and begin to fight this war as a counterinsurgency and not some doctrinal battle template leftover from the Fulda-Gap.

[FreeAtlanta]

bump

[Smartass]

There is nothing ever pretty about war, never will be.   Keep in mind, the only modern war the democrats have won (WWII), was finalized by using a nuclear bomb. Korea was a political stalemate, whereas Vietnam was a major disgraceful Democrat run war, lost by Washington politicians, and not our military.

The Iraq war was won fast, because given the task to win, our military can kick butt with the best of them.   However, the experiment to instill democracy in place of Islamic dictatorships in the Middle East is a bit more complicated.   Whether the Bush administration's methods to achieve that goal will work or not, still remain to be seen.   You can bet your last camel, that all of the Mullahs that are funding terrorism, are nervous, and will pull anything to stall democracy in hopes we just leave.   IMO, the biggest mistake we can make in Iraq/Afghanistan is to lose our patients, then cut and run ala Murtha and most Democrats.

Although we Americans have short memories, I can't visualize the majority of Americans voting in cut and run Democrats to protect them.

 

[VaMarVet]

The Iraq war was won fast, because given the task to win, our military can kick butt with the best of them. However, the experiment to instill democracy in place of Islamic dictatorships in the Middle East is a bit more complicated. Whether the Bush administration's methods to achieve that goal will work or not, still remain to be seen. You can bet your last camel, that all of the Mullahs that are funding terrorism, are nervous, and will pull anything to stall democracy in hopes we just leave. IMO, the biggest mistake we can make in Iraq/Afghanistan is to lose our patients, then cut and run ala Murtha and most Democrats.

Patience is required, along with sound COIN operations grounded in reality. I oppose cut and run - at the same time I support win smart.

[Smartass]

See my post #88. Thanks.

 

[do the dhue]

Well here is another inane quote from the past.

No dumb bastard ever won a war by fighting and dying for his country. You fight and make the other dumb bastard die for his. I am sure you know who said that.

I think we will have time to debate this when it is over. For now, I stand my post with my troops and their leaders. You may be right, new leadership may be good. But I honestly don't see the need for changing leadership. We have gone through some tough times, but like I said, I stood on ground that took the blood of 2,400 Yankee Calvary in one day. 2,400 Troops killed in the heart of the Middle East in three years is not that bad. Those numbers could be a lot higher.

I don't feel like buckling at the knees because the political winds are blowing against me. A lot of people during the civil war gave Abe a hard time, but he stood his ground.

[Madame Dufarge]

No: 42% Yes: 58%

[do the dhue]

They would be able to put an end to the problems rather quickly.

I think that is a fact.

[VaMarVet]

Patton was not fighting a counterinsurgency. You figure out the difference.

Debate when this is over? Then don't preach to me about protecting the troops. Status-quo is obvioulsy not cutting it but it seems to be what you advocate.

[ArGee]

FReeped and bumped.

Yes 58%, No 42%. Get moving FReepers.

Shalom.

[Smartass]

I agree with you on winning smart.   However, I never fully believed the Iraqi people were ready for democracy.   I think that because of Washington's political pressure, the process was forced, and to fast. The war on terror is going to take a long, long time, maybe forever.

 

[VaMarVet]

Almost forgot - the war was not won fast - regime change was. If you cannot figure out the difference than shame on you.

[do the dhue]

Just because this war is not going by your expected time, does not mean that the war is not going well. We are in the middle of the Middle East. These people hate us. We have a lot of work to do. It is going to take time.

[Las Vegas Dave]

Yes 58%


No 42%



Total Votes: 3744

[do the dhue]

Patton was not fighting a counterinsurgency. You figure out the difference.

What, you don't think Patton's words don't ring true today?