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Could rising gas prices kill the suburbs?
msn ^ | 8/15/06 | marylin lewis

Posted on 08/15/2006 9:32:24 AM PDT by LouAvul

Rising fuel costs are being blamed for everything from soaring utility costs to lower retail sales and higher airline tickets. And now, experts say high gas prices could reshape U.S. cities.

"Most analysts believe that crude oil prices in the $50s and $60s will be with us for some time," says Stuart Gabriel, director of the Lusk Center, a think tank at the University of Southern California devoted to studying real estate forces and trends. There's even talk of crude hitting $100 per barrel -- or 10 times what it sold for in the summer of 2005.

Once the realization soaks into the American consciousness that high-cost gas is here to stay, Gabriel predicts, those high commute prices will pull more homeowners -- even young families -- to live in central cities and create a push for more public transportation.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy; gasprices; suburbs; telecommute; telecommuting
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To: LouAvul
those high commute prices will pull more homeowners -- even young families -- to live in central cities and create a push for more public transportation.

A longtime leftist wet dream, with its political implications of growing Democratic power.

But it's not going to happen. People will put sails or windmills on their cars before they subject their children to the inner cities of America.

41 posted on 08/15/2006 9:57:45 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: ShadowAce
I'm in the process of setting this up for myself. I've determined that buying DSL will allow me to telecommute 1 day/week and save money, based on my gasoline costs.

My husband spends around $18 a day for gasoline. If he could work 4 ten hour days a week or telecommute for one day, we could use the difference to up the speed on our internet AND save wear and tear on the car.

Employees should start asking and negotiating for more flexible work schedules, if they're possible. Just by altering their rush hour times by as little as an hour, a lot of gas could be saved (not to mention aggravation during construction season!)

42 posted on 08/15/2006 9:58:04 AM PDT by Kieri (A Grafted Branch (Rom. 11))
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To: LouAvul
I knew a guy whose son commutes from Bakersfield to LA every day. Ya think gas prices would be affecting him?

OTOH, the "death of the suburbs" would create pressure for housing "close to work," and thus house prices would increase to the point where incremental gas costs are preferable to living closer in.

The net result, probably, is not the death of the suburbs, but rather an economic downturn stemming from people being forced to cut back on non-essentials due to lack of ready cash.

43 posted on 08/15/2006 9:58:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: george76

I see it as an extremely dangerous situation in the long run. In the short run, it may re-arrange the family structure to multi-generational extended families making more efficient use of suburban homes and expenses.

But like I've said before on threads, I've seen a definite trend of the professional class of small towns and rural communities and bedroom communities basically sending their kids into cities -- the seven or eight major markets after college.


44 posted on 08/15/2006 9:58:27 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LouAvul

I remember when PCs first came out. They didn't do much and cost a lot. They reached a cost/benefit point in the mid-90's where they gave enough bang for the buck that they became as ubiquitus as the tv in the family room. Technology, price, performance merged to make them as necessary as indoor plumbing to many americans.

The gas prices could ramp up the same set of events for telecommuting. And on a side note, with flying becoming more and more of a hassle (Imagine having to check laptops only to find the TSA people stole them), teleconferencing could make a comeback in a big way as well. In a new iteration it would be MUCH more effective than in the 90's.

I guess we'll see.

I am thinking the Micropolis envisioned by Dr. Robert Prehoda back in 1979 could actually come to pass.


45 posted on 08/15/2006 9:59:05 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Sooth2222

I telecommute right now, and the reason is there isn't anybody in India who can do what I do, as well as I do it, for 1/10 the salary, or even for the same salary or more.



You're lucky.


46 posted on 08/15/2006 9:59:36 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LouAvul
Not everyone has a job that will allow them telecommute. What about manufacturing? We still do that don't we?

I live between Cinci and Dayton, and it seems there are more and more companies that are moving to this area simply because of the explosion in housing/population density. This area is no longer the burbs, but a small city in its own right. It's grown so much that we're even getting an IKEA.....Colin
47 posted on 08/15/2006 9:59:49 AM PDT by colinhester
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To: LouAvul; All

Actually, this thread covers some possibilities:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/1638755/posts


48 posted on 08/15/2006 10:01:00 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: Kieri

I'm not moving, but I am buying a small car for commuting that gets 36 mpg. I like my big house, big yard, and great schools. Houses in my neighborhood are selling about as fast as they were a year ago. I am more affected by the high cost of natural gas in the winter than by the cost of gasoline.


49 posted on 08/15/2006 10:02:24 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Meet the new dictators of America.....Bill Keller, James Risen, Eric Lichtblau, and Dana Priest)
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To: BillM

I think you are absolutly right.

This will destroy the cities not the 'burbs.

The most productive people will find a way to move the best parts of their lives OUT of the cities.


50 posted on 08/15/2006 10:02:40 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LouAvul

In many parts of California, the liberal city councils adamantly refuse to allow high-density development, so it is a bit disingenuous if they pretend that suburban sprawl is not their fault.


51 posted on 08/15/2006 10:02:50 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: r9etb
OTOH, the "death of the suburbs" would create pressure for housing "close to work," and thus house prices would increase to the point where incremental gas costs are preferable to living closer in.

Exactly. In my area, houses in 'the city' are twice as expensive as comperable or larger places 30 min away. So, if more people move to the nice parts of the city to stay close to work, that's only going to make the housing prices there go up, and make it more economical to live outside the city.

52 posted on 08/15/2006 10:03:02 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: Kieri
If he could work 4 ten hour days a week or telecommute for one day, we could use the difference to up the speed on our internet AND save wear and tear on the car.

Yup. That's exactly my situation. I'm already working 10x4, so telecommuting will allow me to drive into work (~35 miles one way) will save me $48/month--more than the cost of 3.0Mbps DSL.

53 posted on 08/15/2006 10:03:38 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: durasell
If someone can telecommute from thirty or forty miles away, why not just hire a guy in India for about 1/10 the salary and have him telecommute?

Because a very significant majority of the time, the guy in India is not worth what he is paid.

54 posted on 08/15/2006 10:04:34 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: LouAvul

The size of our population has grown so much that it's almost as though we are dealing with a uniformly urban environment anyway.


55 posted on 08/15/2006 10:05:57 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Kieri
Just by altering their rush hour times by as little as an hour, a lot of gas could be saved

I come into the city early to miss the traffic and just do my own thing until it is time to punch in. I also keep the air pressure up in the tires, don't tailgate, etc. and that makes a big difference.
56 posted on 08/15/2006 10:07:19 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: LouAvul

I see a bright future for telecommuting. What's the sense of driving 100 miles a day on $8-a-gallon gas just so the boss can look over your shoulder? You can play FreeCell just as easily at home!


57 posted on 08/15/2006 10:08:11 AM PDT by IronJack (ALL)
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To: LouAvul
There's even talk of crude hitting $100 per barrel -- or 10 times what it sold for in the summer of 2005.

Is being stupid a requirement for being a reporter? Even if the reporter is this stupid or a blatant liar, where is the editor?

Did they think none of their readers can remember the last time oil dipped below $10? It wasn't this century.

58 posted on 08/15/2006 10:13:31 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Kozak
Gas is down 13cents a gallon here to 2.99. Hardly a disaster....

Maple Shade NJ: This morning when I drove in, the price was down to $2.82 for regular. Whatever happened to that devastating impact the MSM was predicting from the BP Alaskan pipeline repairs?

59 posted on 08/15/2006 10:14:47 AM PDT by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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To: LouAvul

Gas prices are not rising in my area. In fact, they're down about 20 cents over 2 weeks ago.

Go figure.


60 posted on 08/15/2006 10:15:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Supporting the troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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