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WND: 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Exposed as Bush-Bashers; Will Demonstate in NYC on 9/11
World Net Daily ^ | August 16, 2006 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 08/15/2006 10:46:58 PM PDT by Moseley

9/11 Bush bashers

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: August 16, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jonathon Moseley © 2006

On this fifth September 11 anniversary, some who hate Bush will gather in New York to profane the memory of the 3,000 victims. They will try to convince the country that 9/11 was not an attack by Islamic terrorists, but criminal mass murder by the Bush administration. Amazingly, fully one-third of Americans now believe that the government is guilty of some conspiracy concerning 9/11. Everything liberals believe about foreign policy was proven to be disastrously false on 9/11. Therefore, liberals must somehow deny that 9/11 actually happened.

After debating these characters extensively, I believe people need to know who they really are. Organizations like "Scholars for Truth" do not ask any questions seeking truth, but announce absolute conclusions that the Bush administration executed a criminal conspiracy to murder 3,000 Americans. Literally, they offer science fiction, not science. Remarkably, many 9/11 conspiracy peddlers spontaneously slander the Jews without rhyme or reason.

At a national conference broadcast nationwide on C-SPAN, key conspiracy leader Alex Jones announced that the American government has already collapsed and a shadow government is now running our country. This radio talk-show host next announced – on tape – that Osama bin Laden is now a paid agent of the CIA.

Professor Steven Jones of Brigham-Young University accused George Bush of being a dictator, mimicking the preamble of the Declaration of Independence. When asked if violent revolution was necessary, this scientist declared – in front of national TV cameras – that there is no peaceful way to achieve the group's goals. In the context of the question, professor Jones was calling for the violent overthrow of the government.

James Fetzer, a philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota who poses as a scientist, praised Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and promoted Chavez's proposal for an international criminal tribunal to put the Bush administration on trial. By e-mail, professor Fetzer accused me of being Jewish – sadly, I am not – because I disagree with his theories.

The goal is to convince Americans that there are no foreign enemies. We can all drop our guard. Stop defending America. Don't be ready to fight. Such agitprop helps America's enemies to more effectively attack the United States.

First, al-Qaida has repeatedly admitted planning and executing the 9/11 attacks. In a captured videotape recording of a private meeting in November 2001, bin Laden talks in detail about the 9/11 plot, comparing his expectations in advance to what actually occurred.

End of discussion, right? Nope. The 9/11 conspiracy peddlers reply that bin Laden is –today – on the payroll of the CIA and the Israeli Mossad. To explain away al-Qaida's proud admission, they "out" bin Laden as a CIA agent. (Where is Joe Wilson when you need him?) Some also insist that Al Jazeera is a television network operated by Israel, because Qatar lacks technical skills.

Second, of the World Trade Center, professors Fetzer and Jones insist "there was not enough kinetic energy to cause one floor to bring about the collapse of the floor below it." Yet about 29 floors tilted and fell onto the crumbling floor where the aircraft gouged out and removed support structure. Why would a university professor talk about "one floor" falling when everyone knows that 29 floors, plus 140 tons of aircraft and cargo, fell? Fetzer is intentionally deceiving the gullible. (But I am Jewish, he says, for disagreeing with him.)

Third, Fetzer and Jones argue that the Twin Towers could not have collapsed so neatly without a controlled demolition. Architects clarify that any such building is designed to load-shift. The failure of part of a floor causes other parts of that structure to compensate and take up the load. This means that each floor must always fail symmetrically. As long as any part of the floor remains intact, it is designed to pick up the remaining load. Thus, it was inevitable that the towers collapsed symmetrically and down the center. Furthermore, controlled demolitions start from the bottom up. The WTC collapse bears no resemblance to that whatsoever.

Fourth, many conspiracy peddlers insist that no airplanes ever hit the World Trade Center or Pentagon. The airplanes never existed. They refuse to acknowledge that tens of thousands of eyewitnesses went outside and watched the WTC burn before the second airplane hit. News footage was faked, they say, but they do not explain how thousands of journalists and New Yorkers all watched the airplane hit or how dozens of cameras all show the same thing. They ignore how American Airlines crash investigators verified their airplanes from the wreckage in order to file insurance claims and prepare for lawsuits. They do not explain why hundreds of civilian air traffic controllers and airport radar operators confirm the official explanation (indeed, are the sources for much of it). They assume that hundreds of local police and firefighters crawling over the wreckage covered up for the murderers of their fellow firefighters and cops.

Fifth, conspiracy mongers claim that no steel building has ever collapsed from fire alone, so the Twin Towers couldn't, either. However, the heavy-steel-construction McCormick Place Exhibition Hall collapsed after only 30 minutes of an ordinary fire in Chicago. No physical damage. No jet fuel. Just an ordinary fire softened the steel to the point of structural collapse. And that steel was not carrying the load of 110 floors above it. A dozen other fires in steel buildings have also collapsed floors because the steel softened and buckled. The Hotel Windsor lost its entire upper half in a fire. Clearly, the temperature of an ordinary fire can make a steel structure fail.

But, of course, the WTC towers did not collapse from fire alone, but from the severe physical damage of a 140-ton aircraft traveling at 540 mph shredding the support structures, not to mention the weight of the planes themselves. Incredible temperatures resulted from approximately 30,000 kilograms of jet fuel. But the fireball itself was an enormous, cataclysmic bomb, shattering the building's interior. They ignore how this fantastic bomb of jet fuel damaged the building. During the ensuing fire, the expansion of steel in 1,500 degree fires distorted the building and sheared off bolts and connectors, as the steel expanded, buckled and warped. Later, a "fuel air bomb" from jet fuel leaking down the elevator shaft shook the entire structure.

Sixth, conspiracy mongers engage in pure science fiction about whether the WTC buildings should have collapsed as they did. Such calculations are meaningless because we can never know the actual circumstances: What was the temperature inside? We will never know. Was there substandard construction material? Was the construction perfect? Was there corrosion from the salt air of the ocean during 35 years? Was the architectural design as good as the architects thought?

All such calculations are pure science fiction because there are a hundred variables we can never know. The mythmakers ignore the structural damage from the 1993 bombing. Islamic terrorists had calculated that their truck bomb in the basement garage would bring down the Twin Towers completely. The towers stood, but with what damage?

Similarly, the mythmakers claim that the towers fell at the same rate as objects in free fall. Actually, the towers fell in a span of between 12 and 20 seconds, whereas free fall is 9.22 seconds. Dr. Frank Greening's exhaustive paper demonstrates brilliantly that the Twin Towers collapse is entirely explainable from gravity alone. Furthermore, how the government can make buildings fall faster (consistent with the news footage) is never well explained.

Seventh, engineers at the Pentagon measured the hole from Flight 77 at 90 feet wide. Yet the fiction-peddlers claim that the hole was only 16 feet wide, based on a French author who apparently has never visited the United States. Conspiracy peddlers argue that a Boeing 757 would have made a hole wider than 16 feet. It did. Yet vast arguments, websites, books and careers are based on the hole being only 16 feet, instead of the actual 90 feet.

Eighth, other mythmakers point to lists of victims on each flight. They claim that the hijackers are missing from the passenger manifests, which proves that the government slipped the hijackers past security gates. But lists of victims obviously do not include the murderers who killed them.

Ninth, the 9/11 conspiracy peddlers all contradict each other. Collectively, they will claim that there is "overwhelming evidence" against the official explanation of 9/11. However, what is "overwhelming" is a mish-mash of contradictory and mutually exclusive scenarios. Each of the conspiracy peddlers proves the others wrong. Moreover, the conspiracy theories keep changing. When confronted by the falsehoods and contradictions, they simply change their story. This proves that they are not seeking the truth, but any excuse to bash Bush.

In general, conspiracy theorists point to elements of the official explanation they find hard to believe – but then adopt infinitely less believable, preposterous scenarios. Their scenarios do not answer their own questions any better than the official explanation (or even as well). These activists are simply intent on bending the truth, not finding it, to bash George Bush.

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Jonathon Moseley is executive director of the U.S. Seaports Commission.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911conspiracy; bush; conspiracy; conspiracytheory; islamic; kooks; pentagon; terrorism; tinfoilhats; whackjobs; worldtradecenter; wtc
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To: himno hero

LOL!!!


21 posted on 08/16/2006 12:13:05 AM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: Moseley; All

Is there a word that goes way beyond "crazy?" I mean, honestly, what kind of rational person can believe this garbage?

I remember back when Vince Foster died, with the blood than defied gravity and ran uphill. And Ron Brown, with the perfectly-cylindrical hole in his head and the "suicidal" airport controller. Did we sound as ridiculous when we were tracking down all the evidence against clinton?

I would never deny, that as a whole, the clinton-haters (that would include me) disliked clinton just as intensely as the Bush-haters now dislike Bush. But honestly, did we believe in outlandish theories such as "Bin Laden the CIA agent" and "Those planes are a figment of your imagination?" This is not a rhetorical question. Because if we sounded this loony, I' would have good reason to be embarrassed right now.


22 posted on 08/16/2006 12:51:12 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Moseley
Amazingly, fully one-third of Americans now believe that the government is guilty of some conspiracy concerning 9/11.

The good news from that poll is that more people still believe that the government killed Kennedy or that the government is witholding information about space aliens than believe in a 9/11 conspiracy.

23 posted on 08/16/2006 1:13:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Democrats are guilty of whatever they scream the loudest about.)
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To: Moseley

By the way, did you see the "Get The Nation" commercial on television?

It was hilarious. It was an invitation to every kook, liberal moron to spend money on The Nation just because they bash Bush. They should be paying Bush a commission for every new sucker who signs up because of that commercial.


24 posted on 08/16/2006 1:31:36 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Moseley

The willingness of Bush-haters to believe any screwball theory knows no bounds. I have a co-worker, Dem of course, who saw the C-Span "inquiry" and who now believes it. You can argue with these people, but since they are Dems or liberals, they are practically immune to logic and reason. Remember these are the same people who believe the last two prez elections were "stolen" and that Karl Rove is behind every bad thing that has happened to Dems recently.


25 posted on 08/16/2006 1:44:03 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Dallas59
Ya! Maybe we should start our own theories about their involvement.
26 posted on 08/16/2006 6:57:36 AM PDT by svcw
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To: Moseley

A couple of months a go one of our local papers published an op-ed from a philosophy prof at Seattle U, touting these 9/11 conspiracy theories - he was a member of "Scholars for Truth." I was embarrassed for my alma mater, that they've hired such a wack job. But I wasn't surprised; Seattle U has tilted far left, and virtually every op-ed from a SU prof in recent years represents the far Left point of view, even on gay marriage, where you might expect a Catholic school to have a more traditional point of view.


27 posted on 08/16/2006 7:36:08 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: One-Four-Five
"There is one aspect to the whole thing that does give me pause, and that is the way Christie Todd Whitman proclaimed the air to be safe."

The air obviously wasn't safe, and I'm tempted to say any moron could tell it wasn't safe, but that wouldn't explain why Whitman thought it was safe.
28 posted on 08/16/2006 7:40:56 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: One-Four-Five

My analysis is not to praise the government or the effectiveness of its response. I spent 5 years in the federal government (ending in 1992). I would never suggest that competence runs high in the government. (Another reason why the conspiracy theories are silly. The government can't even run our public schools right. How do you think they would pull off some great conspiracy?)

So I don't doubt that Christie Todd Whitman was more interested in making the government look good, trying to calm people down, and trying to achieve a surface solution to a problem, not genuinely dealing with the real problems. That would be quite typical for the government to pretend everything is okay, and hope the problem goes away. After all, that is how we got hit on 9/11 to begin with.

Also, someone sent me a link to an outstanding video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2070972464271621938


29 posted on 08/16/2006 8:01:08 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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To: Moseley

I've noticed a distinct lack of sympathy from the left in general for any of the 9/11 survivors, victims or their surviving families; the prevalent emotion from leftists toward the victims comes across as scorn. Over the past five years this hostility toward the slaughtered Americans and their families has grown and it seems now that you are "right-wing" if you are outraged by 9/11 (the truth, that it was perpetrated by muslim terrorists) or sympathetic to those killed. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that these clowns would chose to perform their obsence rituals in this mass graveyard.


30 posted on 08/16/2006 9:01:38 AM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: ariamne

It is hard to put everything in a short article.

There is also pretty strong evidence that when the aircraft mangled and demolished the interior of the building on the collision floors, it smashed open one of the elevator shafts, and JET FUEL poured down the elevator shaft. One person who escaped described on Larry King Live around September 14, 2001 (I videotaped it) how he could smell jet fuel ALL THE WAY DOWN as he went down the stairwells, down to the first floor.

When those fumes ignited, that was a classic "fuel air bomb" -- the kind of new conventional bomb that is so powerful that international critics are blaming the U.S. military for being barbaric in using such a powerful bomb. When fuel FUMES explode, especially in a confined space, this is an incredibly powerful bomb. This damaged the building, and caused a fireball that burst out in the lobby out of the elevator.

So the indications are that there WERE explosions from the natural consequences of the aircraft demolishing several floors of the building.

Also, don't forget that there are some descriptions of explosions in the basement WHICH I BELIEVE ARE ACCOUNTS FROM 1993, that people have found on the Interent, forgot that 1993 was a separate incident, and are recycling descriptions from 1993.

HOWEVER... and this is where I get upset... WHY would you assume that any actual explosives (if there were any) were from anyone other than the Islamic terrorists? The Islamic terrorists drove a truck bomb into the basement in 1993.

Which is more likely? They simply did it again, to try to esnure that (this time) they would succeed at bringing down the WTC towers? (Hit them from both the bottom and the top simultaneously.) Or there was a massive criminal conspiracy involving thousands of people who -- after witnessing the horror of their fellow citizens being killed again and again -- all keep silent? Why does nobody assume that any explosives were from the terrorists?


31 posted on 08/16/2006 9:11:26 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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To: One-Four-Five

Here's a paper by a demolition expert that blows away the nutjobs theories.

http://www.implosionworld.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

I found it here:

http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/

Here are some question I have for these people:

If 9/11 was done by the Bush administration so they could go to war with Iraq, why didn't they plant some obvious evidence implicating Iraq in the attacks?

If the Bush administration could pull off 9/11 and cover it up, why didn't they plant some WMD's in Iraq?

If our own govt had no problem killing 3,000 innocent people on 9/11, why wouldn't they kill anyone who threatens to uncover the "truth" about 9/11?

By all standards of evidence and logic, these people are nuts and idiots.

I tried arguing with one and found it futile. I documented the experience here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1678537/posts

a guy named Mark has done some videos on these clowns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uFNBpjZCI4


32 posted on 08/16/2006 9:27:13 AM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: Moseley

Another excellent resource:
http://www.911myths.com/index.html

And the reports on this page are MUST READING

http://www.911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html


33 posted on 08/16/2006 9:44:54 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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To: Moseley

Richard Becker emailed me this off-line, and I thought his analysis was as worthy of being distributed as mine or anyone else's


WTC TOWERS COLLAPSING


1. Whether seen on videotape or in person, implosion of buildings begin with a series of blasts with billowing smoke, orange fire, and a cloud of dust and debris, followed by the sound of the explosions, at the base of the structure as it begins crumbling from the "bottom up" as it settles into a pile of rubble in its own "footprint". Though viewed from a safe distance of up to a half mile away, the concussive wave sound of the explosion can be felt and heard. The principle of an "implosion" is to knock out the building supports so it crumbles into a pile with little or no damage to nearby surrounding structures, as opposed to an "explosion" that scatters debris for a long distance.

2. As seen and heard on many videotapes made onlookers from a few blocks away from the WTC towers, both structures suddenly started crumbling and collapsing from the top down without the sounds of massive explosions, at the top or the bottom of the buildings. But the audio track clearly picked up the gasps of shock and disbelief as the buildings crumbled into a pile of rubble, but no sounds of explosions. Especially from the bottom of the buildings closest to the cameras. Explosive charges sufficient to bring down the buildings would have blown out all the windows near the base, but as can be seen on the tapes, only one window was blown out.

Neitherwas there any sign of a explosive fireball or smoke from any explosions, or clouds of debris billowing out at the top or bottom of the buildings. Had there been a series of massive explosions on the crash floors where the collapses obviously began, as seen on the tapes, the concussive wave that is the source of destruction caused by the blast would have disturbed the smoke seen streaming on the light breeze.

Another point to ponder: A PBS documentary on building implosions noted that it required 7 months to prepare a 7 story building for demolition via implosion. The WTC towers were much taller, occupied by businesses with security. Consider the time it would take to rig the WTC towers for implosion without being detected by maintenance people discovering the charges.

Another element of the conspiracy theory is the allegation that a cruise missile hit the Pentagon, rather than a passenger airliner. To illustrate that point, conspiracy websites showed a 737 superimposed over the near small hole punched into the Pentagon to show that the wingspan of the airliner would have inflicted damage. They pointed out that no wings were lying on the lawn after the crash.

The structural strength of the wing spars are intended to support the weight of the aircraft rather than resist buckling when struck on the leading edge of the wing. Considering that the area of the Pentagon where the plane hit had recently been reinforced, and shatter proof windows had been installed, the wings merely folded back against the fuselage and went into the building alongside of the fuselage rather than the wings themselves entering the building while extended (as in a cartoon)!

In a British documentary seen on PBS, a man driving to work the morning of 9-11 appeared on camera to tell his tale. Familiar with aircraft landing and taking off from nearby Reagan airport, where the aircraft come in at a steep approach angle due to all the construction in the area, he said he had heard the sound of an aircraft extra loud and apparently flying extra low that fateful morning of 9/11! He said he put his head out the window and looked up to see a very low jet aircraft, and watched as it clipped a light pole and then plowed into the side of the Pentagon.

Photos of WTC #7 shows smoke billowing out from the bottom to the top. Smoke considered by conspiracy advocates as "proof" that the building was demolished by explosive charges. The fallacy of that premise is evident based on simple logic based on knowledge that many lack.

1. The smoke is billowing out due to fires in the building, because any charges detonated to bring down the building would have been billowing puffs including orange fire from the sudden combustion of the charges.

2. There was no point in setting charges on all floors of the building because charges at the base taking out its support would have been adequate to take down the building as per implosion practice.

3. A conspiracy website cited a PBS documentary about WTC#7 collapsing, and noted in the transcript of the audio that the chief of the fire company notified the owner they were going to "pull the building" due to weakening because of the fires. The term "pull" was misconstrued as meaning to "blow up the building", when the term is short for "pulling out the firefighters" because the building had become unstable and was about to collapse.

4. If charges had been set as per claims about the twin WTC towers, why wasn't the building charges set off at the same time as the twin towers? Why wait several hours?

5. The building was not struck by an aircraft, but was damaged (as were other surrounding buildings) by falling debris from the collapsing WTC twin towers! An emergency control center was on an upper floor with a diesel generator with a fuel supply pipe running from a 6,000 gallon fuel tank in the basement. The intense fire was burning diesel fuel spilled from the broken pipe that weakened the structure and brought it down. Anyone with a modicum of ability in reading and reading comprehension, and who bothered to read news reports rather than base opinions on assumptions, could have learned the same thing had they bothered to make the effort.



34 posted on 08/16/2006 9:55:37 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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To: Moseley
Also, someone sent me a link to an outstanding video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2070972464271621938

The men, women, and children cheering at the beginning says it all. Our pain and sorrow is their euphoria.

35 posted on 08/16/2006 10:59:51 AM PDT by Saveaplant_Eatavegan
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To: Moseley
More pebbles on the pile of proof of what we know to be the absolute truth. It drives me crazy that so many people are so hateful that they would believe this convoluted, insane, and ridiculous conspiracy rather than what plain common sense (and our common senses!) tell us. And how they demonize anyone who dares to disagree; but save their most vicious hate for victim's families who disagree--look at the horrible things they say about Debra Burlingame, pilot's sister (right wing operative is one of the nicer epithets) and the father of an 11-year old who was killed on one of the planes (that he knew his son was going to be killed because he worked at the Pentagon and was "in on it" and let him die anyway.) At this point, I really don't know who I despise more--the terrorist muslims who perpetrated this horror, the millions more who support it, or their left-wing sycophants.

Thanks again for your illuminating and informative posts.

36 posted on 08/16/2006 11:13:56 AM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: Moseley

here's a video of a REAL building implosion,
there are some notable differences from the WTC collapses

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ


37 posted on 08/16/2006 2:12:51 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: GeorgiaYankee

Yes, exactly. Notice how distinctively the LOWER floors are blown out, so that the building will collapse down into its footprint. No one in their right mind would rig explosives at the TOP of the WTC to bring it down. However, if you look at the news footage of the WTC on 9/11, it is remarkable how UNdisturbed each floor is until the falling mass from above hits. The lower floors do not budge or flinch. So clearly there were no explosives in the lower floors... including thermite.


38 posted on 08/16/2006 3:56:26 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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To: Moseley

http://www.implosionworld.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208-8-06.pdf

The document above is written by a building demolition expert. He noted that the buildings failed at the planes' point of impact. If explosives were used, they would have to be planted there. If they were planted ahead of time, the impact of the planes would have destroyed the remote detonators or even set off the explosives or burned both of the aforementioned.

At a minimum the planes' impact would have shaken the explosives loose from their mounting points, thus making a "controlled" demolition impossible. (Also how do you insure the planes will hit where the charges are installed? "Please hit the building between floors 80-84.")

The other option is that the explosives were installed AFTER the planes hit and before the buildings collapsed. Buildings much smaller that the WTC towers took weeks or months to install the charges. So this option is impossible as well.


39 posted on 08/16/2006 4:12:57 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee
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To: GeorgiaYankee

Let's now turn to the thermite nonsense:


1) Thermite is NOT an explosive. It is a hand-held WELDING TORCH (not in a bare hand, obviously, I am speaking loosely) that is fueled by extremely hot combustion of aluminum + iron oxide, as the most common choice for fuel. It is a mobile, easily-carried WELDING TORCH.

ONCE AGAIN, THERMITE DOES *NOT* EXPLODE. It cannot account for puffs of smoke or pulverized concrete, or anything else because THERMITE DOES *NOT* EXPLODE.

Thermite burns white hot, producing a molten metal effluent that can cut through objects (or weld metal together) if properly applied so that the flowing molten metal goes EXACTLY where it is needed (one hopes).


2) Thermite is normally used WITH AN OPERATOR, like a welding torch. Use of thermite by remote control is highly irregular, if not unheard of.

3) Thermite is not "designed" for anything at all. In fact, I have to do some research (it is hard to wade through all the conspiracy nuts on the Internet to find GENUINE pre-9/11 sources). But I doubt very strongly that anyone ever thought of using thermite for demolition before the 9/11 conspiracy nuts got into trouble with previous theories that did not make sense.

For the reasons explained, it would be extraordinary difficult to demolish a building using thermite: (A) Ignition is unreliable even under direct supservision. (B) Ignition would be nearly impossible by remote, and certainly highly unpredictable and unreliable. (C) The TIMING of ignition could never be controlled by remote, leading to irregular resuls incompatible with controlled demolition. Different parts of the building would be failing at ALL different TIMES. The essence of controlled demolition is simultaneous failure to encourage the building to fall DOWN. (D) The TIMING of RESULTS is unpredictable. Unlike an explosive, thermite works by eating through the steel, assuming that the liquid/molten metal flows where you hope it flows (because it is supposed to have a live operator and it is supposed to be used vertically, flowing DOWN onto the item being worked).


WHen people did not understand radiation, they imagined magical properties, such as the ability to create Godzilla, just like primitive natives who do not understand modern technology.

Today, "thermite" is the new radiation. Nobody has a clue what it is, so it must be WONDERFUL stuff. It must be capable of almost anything.... because you don't have a clue what it can or cannot do.

Just mouthing the word "thermite" causes eyes to glaze over and brains to turn to mush.

The WTC twin towers contained something like 236 steel support columns all around the perimeter, and some slight and relatively unimportant core elements protecting the elevators.

To "thermite" the WTC twin towers (to be careless with my verbs) would require that EACH of the 236 or so steel support columns on EVERY floor be separately sabotaged with a thermite device.

The amount of detonation cord or cables alone would leave an extraordinary amount of evidence behind.

Each of those columns, on every floor, would have to be CRACKED OPEN to remove all concrete, drywall, and insulation, so that the thermite torch could be placed directly against the steel. Yet this kind of enormous disruption went unnnoticed....?

Thermite is a super hot LIQUID metal that is produced by an intense combustion.

This liquid metal FLOWS -- like any other metal -- whereever the HECK it wants.

That means that that the flow of liquid metal must be carefully controlled, and the thermite supply of fuel would have to be DIRECTLY in contact with the steel support member.

A thermite torch is normally used VERTICALLY so that it flows down onto the metal to be cut or welded.

This application imagined at the twin towers is highly-unusual in that it would require the thermite liquid metal to move HORIZONTALLY from the thermite supply onto a VERTICAL steel support... without the liquid metal deciding to go somewhere else instead. (Anyone who has tried to control the flow of a liquid knows that it can be a losing battle.)

Because a thermite torch is a fuel source that produces a liquid metal it cannot be "set off" at a precise time like a demolition charge. It can be ignited. It will then burn at its own pace. And the liquid will flow and have some hoped-for effect on the metal.

Thus, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to time a thermite torch so as to successfully cut a vertical steel column at any pre-determined moment. The cutting of a steel colum would occur -- if ever -- at times that would vary by many seconds in either direction.

Timing the ignition (there is no "detonation") of a thermite torch within a split second would be utterly impossible.

Ignition of a thermite torch would result in all 236 support columns on any given floor failing AT ALL DIFFERENT TIMES -- on each and every floor.

Furtthermore, it would take a STUPENDOUS amount of thermite to cut 236 + columns on EACH of around 80 or 90 floors. (No one could know where the aircraft would hit in advance, so they would have to wire the whole thing or most of it.)

The amount of wiring necessary to prepare 236 thermite torches times 80 to 90 floors -- THAT'S 21, 240 THERMITE TORCHES !!!! -- would be STAGGERING.

More to the point, the evidence would be OVERWHELMING at the rubble site. There would be detonator cord EVERYWHERE.

Since the support columns are around the perimeter, as the building collapsed, detonator cord would have flown all over the surrounding area like confetti and would have rained down for 15 blocks in all directions. Everyone in the area would have a souvenir strip of detonator cord, if they were anywhere close to the collapse site.


IGNITION OF THERMITE IS VERY DIFFICULT AND UNRELIABLE. NOTICE WHAT WIKPEDIA SAYS (I have highlighted words in all caps)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

Ignition: Conventional thermite reactions require very high temperatures for initiation. These cannot be reached with conventional black-powder fuses, nitrocellulose rods, detonators, or other common igniting substances. Even when the thermite is hot enough to glow bright red, it will not ignite as it must be at or near white-hot to initiate the reaction. It is possible to start the reaction using a propane torch if done right, but this should never be attempted for safety reasons.

Often, strips of magnesium metal are used as fuses. Magnesium burns at approximately the temperature at which thermite reacts, around 2500 Kelvin (4000 °F). This method is NOTORIOUSLY UNRELIABLE : magnesium itself is HARDS TO IGNITE [Moseley: That is, unreliable by remote control] , and in windy or wet conditions the strip may be extinguished. Also, magnesium strips do not contain their own oxygen source so ignition cannot occur through a small hole. A significant danger of magnesium ignition is the fact that the metal is an excellent conductor of heat; heating one end of the ribbon may cause the other end to transfer enough heat to the thermite to cause premature ignition. Despite these issues, magnesium ignition remains popular amongst amateur thermite users.

The reaction between potassium permanganate and glycerine is used as an alternative to the magnesium method. When these two substances mix, a spontaneous reaction will begin, slowly increasing the temperature of the mixture until flames are produced. The heat released by the oxidation of glycerine is sufficient to initiate a thermite reaction. However, this method CAN ALSO BE UNRELIABLE and the delay between mixing and ignition can vary greatly due to factors such as particle size and ambient temperature.

HOWEVER, HERE IS THE KILLER, IF YOU READ DOWN LONG ENOUGH.....

G U E S S W H A T T H E R M I T E IS MADE OF ?????


HINT A BOEING 757 AIRCRAFT IS MADE LARGELY OF....

A L U M I N U M

and THE SUPPORT STRUCTURES SEVERED BY THE *ALUMINUM* AIRCRAFT HITTING THE WTC TWIN TOWERS WERE MADE OF

S T E E L
(more precisely, 35 year old steel subject to salt air from the ocean for 35 years).

GUESS WHAT THERMITE IS MADE OF?

ALUMINUM + STEEL

OOPS! THERMITE REACTIONS can be created by an ALUMINUM airplane + steel WITHOUT any plan or intention.

The aircraft itself could have SPONTANEOUSLY produced a thermite reaction of ALUMINUM + STEEL, if the collision itself temporarily created very high temperatures.


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om Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A thermite mixture using Iron OxideA thermite reaction is a type of aluminothermic reaction in which aluminium metal is oxidized by the oxide of another metal, most commonly iron oxide. The name thermite is also used to refer to a mixture of two such chemicals. The products are aluminium oxide, free elemental iron, and a large amount of heat. The reactants are commonly powdered and mixed with a binder to keep the material solid and prevent separation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite

Black or blue iron oxide (Fe3O4), produced by oxidizing iron in an oxygen-rich environment under high heat, is the most commonly used thermite oxidizing agent because it is inexpensive and easily produced. Red iron (III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as rust) can also be used to make thermite but yields a less energetic reaction. Other oxides are occasionally used, such as in manganese thermite and chromium thermite, but only for highly specialized purposes. Both examples use aluminium as the reactive metal.

In principle, any reactive metal could be used instead of aluminum. This is rarely done, however, because the properties of aluminium are ideal for this reaction. It is by far the cheapest of the highly reactive metals; it also forms a passivation layer making it safer to handle than many other reactive metals. The melting and boiling points of aluminum also make it ideal for thermite reactions. Its relatively low melting point (660°C, 1221°F) means that it is easy to melt the metal, so that the reaction can occur mainly in the liquid phase[1] and thus proceeds fairly quickly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite


Thermites are a group of pyrotechnics mixtures in which a reactive metal reduces oxygen from a metallic oxide. This produces a lot of heat, slag and pure metal. The most common themite is ferroaluminum thermite, made from
aluminum (reactive metal) and iron oxide (metal oxide). When it burns it produces aluminum oxide (slag) and pure iron.

http://www.textfiles.com/humor/thermite.ana


40 posted on 08/17/2006 6:40:59 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.ColdPeace.com)
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