Posted on 10/11/2006 11:02:24 AM PDT by MBA4Life
Bump that. Thank you.
You said -- "And, you didn't answer the question. Now would be a good time."
Let's answer it this way..., I was at the original seminar series on this subject by Francis Shaeffer and C. Everett Koop. That was back in 1979. If you don't know what that was, then I don't have to go any further (it's of no use...).
I was also featured by a local television station for having videos for the public to use on the issue.
AND, what I do know is that you don't advance this cause by LYING about it. If you want to put out PRESS RELEASES and promote web sites, then be clear about it.
What I would support up and *above* any abortion issue -- though -- is salvation through Jesus Christ *alone* on the basis of *faith alone* as given through the *Bible alone* -- and not through any priest or church or any tradition (of man's or any so-called institutional church).
On that issue, all that is necessary (with *no church membership* or any priest) for *full salvation* is simply --
Romans 10:9-11 -- which says...
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
That is more important than any abortion issue, because all else proceeds from that. And it's important for people to know that *no man* on this earth is going to have *anything* to do with your salvation -- and *no church* on this earth is either.
It's *only* down to God's Word (and *no traditions* of any kind) and Jesus Christ (and no pastor or priest of any kind) -- which has to do with one's salvation.
Regards,
Star Traveler
It is far worse than any of you have seen, soon they will surely pluck out your spleen. Abortion is only the tip of the tree, soon they will be coming even for thee.
Repent and die, the end is neigh!
The majority loves the dollar more than the child. A fool would say that this is mild.
Put away your hope, put away your dreams, all will unraveling out from the seams.
Do not give birth, do not give life, for all will die at the tip of the knife.
Abandon all hope, abandon all hope, life as we knew it was naught but a dope.
Can you send me some good links for the latest abortion figures please.
There are a lot of very good pro-life arguments, but I've always had trouble with the one that says "We should have had more babies to be indentured servants to support OUR retirement".
"Repent and die, the end is neigh!"
The end is the whinnying of a horse? Do you mean "nigh"?
Yes I mean nigh, the end is nigh!
My spelling is bad,
like the prank of a lad
I've just finished reading an article in the New Oxford Review on the history of the fight over abortion in the 19th century. It is in their November issue and, unfortunately, is not yet posted on their website: http://www.newoxfordreview.org. It is by Frederick N. Dyer and is titled: The Physicians' Crusade Against Abortion. But anyone seriously interested in the history of this issue ought to read it:
To summarize it: Abortion was virtually the only method of birth control available to women in the early 1800's -- a period when most families had 6 or more children and maternal death during childbirth was quite common. Considering the state of medicine at the time, the even more radical intervention of abortion was even more dangerous. However, many women sought it as their only escape from the burdens of a time when life was hard to begin with (no central heating, no supermarkets, no appliances, etc., etc.) Imagine doing laundry for a family of 8 in the middle of winter in 1804.
By the 1850's, abortion had become a serious concern of many physicians, and one Horatio Robinson Storer became the leader of a physicians' crusade against abortion that climaxed in the passage of restrictive laws against abortion on a state by state basis that stood until Roe v. Wade. Feminist voices like that of Susan B. Anthony, who called abortion "child murder," also contributed strongly to this crusade.
The main thrust of the physicians' crusade was education and persuasion on a patient by patient basis, chiefly among married Protestant women where the practice was more common. They found allies in this effort among Catholic priests who had the forum of frequent confession to reach Catholic women as the practice spread into their ranks.
These efforts were more successful among married women than among the unmarried for whom pregnancy was a huge social stigma at the time. However, it was this combination of education, persuasion and legislation that made the 19th Century crusade so successful. Indeed, it was still going strong into the mid-20th Century until Margaret Sanger broke down public resistance through her counter-crusade during the 1920's and '30's.
Today, relatively few physicians strongly counsel their patients against abortion, and the Catholic practice of seeking frequent confession and spiritual guidance has all but disappeared. Indeed, it is the rare parish where the topic is even discussed from the pulpit more than once every few years. The clergy themselves seem to have been very much influenced by the new "spirit of the times."
Meanwhile, the pro-life movement has tragically become a largely a political one, and pro-life education is limited to a few organizations like my own (www.movementforabetteramerica.org) that actively promote discussion and dialogue as the best means of promoting understanding of the inexorable consequences of the wholesale extermination of unborn children.
Politics alone will never solve this problem. What is needed is more honest, open discussion and the beginnings of a profound moral, spiritual, and cultural change. Sadly we're not getting either from the medical profession or from most of the clergy. "If the salt lose its savor, wherewith shall it be salted." It seems we will have to convert the churches first.
What is mind-blowing to think about is that if the 19th century abortion wave had not been stunted by this crusade, cumulative population growth in the U.S. would have been dramatically hampered, and there is no way we could have become the industrial leader of the world and the arsenal of democracy in two World Wars. Instead, we might very well have ended up as an outlying colony of the Third Reich.
Like it or not, history is ultimately determined in the bedroom and the cradle. Only God knows where we will end up given the birth dearth in the U.S. and Europe and the continuing population explosion in the Muslim world.
The main reason for our approaching defeat in the Iraq War is that there is no way we can win a war of attrition against a population whose young men of military age outnumber our forces by 40 to 1. They are having the babies and we aren't.
Try "we need to find a way to LEGALLY bring in 48.5 million immigrants into the workforce over the next 20-30 years."
One thing: taking care of old geezers (like I'm rapidly becoming) is manpower-intensive. The alternative is euthanasia, and that's wrong on so many levels.
Mark my words: Murder ("euthanasia") will be covered by Medicare in 10 years and endlessly encouraged by the democrat party media as the "right thing to do."
Scary but true.
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