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Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official
AFP via Yahoo! News ^ | October 14, 2006

Posted on 10/14/2006 11:16:50 AM PDT by lizol

Keep Darwin's 'lies' out of Polish schools: education official 2 hours.

WARSAW (AFP) - Poland's deputy education minister called for the influential evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin not to be taught in the country's schools, branding them "lies."

"The theory of evolution is a lie, an error that we have legalised as a common truth," Miroslaw Orzechowski, the deputy minister in the country's right-wing coalition government, was quoted as saying by the Gazeta Wyborcza daily Saturday.

Orzechowski said the theory was "a feeble idea of an aged non-believer," who had come up with it "perhaps because he was a vegetarian and lacked fire inside him."

The evolution theory of the 19th-century British naturalist holds that existing animals and plants are the result of natural selection which eliminated inferior species gradually over time. This conflicts with the "creationist" theory that God created all life on the planet in a finite number.

Orzechowski called for a debate on whether Darwin's theory should be taught in schools.

"We should not teach lies, just as we should not teach bad instead of good, or ugliness instead of beauty," he said. "We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

The deputy minister is a member of a Catholic far-right political group, the League of Polish Families. The league's head, Roman Giertych, is education minister in the conservative coalition government of Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

Giertych's father Maciej, who represents the league in the European Parliament, organised a discussion there last week on Darwinism. He described the theory as "not supported by proof" and called for it be removed from school books.

The far-right joined the government in May when Kaczynski's ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, after months of ineffective minority government, formed a coalition including LPR and the populist Sambroon party.

Roman Giertych has not spoken out on Darwinism, but the far-right politician's stance on other issues has stirred protest in Poland since he joined the government.

A school pupils' association was expected to demonstrate in front of the education ministry on Saturday to call for his resignation.


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To: ml1954
FR will show the world the face it chooses to show the world.

It's called Mooning.

121 posted on 10/14/2006 6:03:15 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: lizol

Everything else being equal, that will put Poland 50 years ahead of the rest of Europe in one generation.


122 posted on 10/14/2006 6:15:17 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: Tribune7
So you believe all life came from single cell via undirected means and that this has been established beyond all argument?

Astounding! You have been able to completely misconstrue TToE in one brief sentence. Most CR/IDers take several posts to hit such a level of misunderstanding.

123 posted on 10/14/2006 6:33:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: tomzz
Everything else being equal, that will put Poland 50 years ahead of the rest of Europe in one generation.

It puts them approximately equal in philosophy and theology. In science they will be behind 50-100 years, just on step ahead of us (since their anti-science infection didn't start as early as ours).

124 posted on 10/14/2006 6:39:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: nmh
You have NO evidence that man "evolved" from an ape or any other animal,

Billions of fossils, observed micro-evolution, thousands of scientists and millions of science hours be damned.

Do you have an alternative scientific theory to explain the evidence?

125 posted on 10/14/2006 6:42:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"Sad, Poland historically had some of the best science education in Europe."

Still do. Obviously they possess a capacity to doubt, unlike the Dawkin's Darwiniacs.

126 posted on 10/14/2006 6:45:42 PM PDT by cookcounty (Coach Hastert: Stop acting like a Dhimmicrat!!!)
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To: freedumb2003
Placemarker Placemarker Placemarker Placemarker Placemarker
127 posted on 10/14/2006 6:47:26 PM PDT by b_sharp (since evolution is not, generally speaking, a global optimiser, but a general satisficer -J. Wilkins)
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To: nmh; DaveLoneRanger
Re 115: I don't know WHO your god is but my God doesn't have YOUR limitations or FINITE knowledge. Perhaps you should investigate the Judeo Christian God.

Interesting that YOU get so huffy. And accuse everyone else of being "nasty". And then claim that "intelligent design" is about science and not about religion and your particular god!!

What we always suspected about you. You just post to say that "my god is bigger, better, wiser than your god".

You are not interested in how the natural world works--science--you are missionarizing for "it's all about me" and "my god".

Noted.

128 posted on 10/14/2006 6:47:57 PM PDT by thomaswest (So many claims to know the "one, true God"... So little evidence except much speaking (Matthew 6).)
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To: cookcounty
Obviously they possess a capacity to doubt, unlike the Dawkin's Darwiniacs.

Science is built up in small increments, a few facts here, a test of a hypothesis there...

150 years and tens of thousands of scientists in multiple disciplines have produced a huge mass of facts and a well tested and well supported theory--the theory of evolution.

The doubt we are seeing comes in from outside of science, from believers in a particular narrow view of scripture.

Unfortunately, all they have is doubt. They have no evidence or alternative theories. These threads document that.

129 posted on 10/14/2006 6:49:48 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
RE # 82.

Yeah, "a dozen or more court decisions". Lawyers and judges as the modern priests and arbiters of the ultimate truth. Convinced yet? Pity the secular evomoonies and their black robed gods.

130 posted on 10/14/2006 6:51:51 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: cookcounty
Obviously they possess a capacity to doubt, unlike the Dawkin's Darwiniacs.

Next up: Doubt about that silly "physics" thing. And "chemistry." Oh, and lets not forget that evil "astronomy."

Of course, this so-called "doubt" has a scientific basis, right?

131 posted on 10/14/2006 6:52:05 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: Coyoteman
"Oh come on, you could drive a truck through evolution's holes.

Be my guest. Take your best shot. Your Nobel Prize awaits."

Well, hardly. The Nobel Committee has only evolutionists on board. It would be like submitting your essay on "Why There is No God" to the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association for publication. Ain't gonna happen.

132 posted on 10/14/2006 6:53:10 PM PDT by cookcounty (Coach Hastert: Stop acting like a Dhimmicrat!!!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Lawyers and judges as the modern priests and arbiters of the ultimate truth. Convinced yet? Pity the secular evomoonies and their black robed gods.

As long as the courts keep religion out of the public schoolroom as an alternative to science (it is OK as part of philosophy) and they insist that science be taught, then they are doing their duty in upholding the Constitution.

133 posted on 10/14/2006 6:54:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: lizol
"We are not going to withdraw (Darwin's theory) from the school books, but we should start to discuss it."

Key thought in the article above. Key thought from the evomoonies?

"There is nothing to discuss, the courts have said so!"

134 posted on 10/14/2006 6:54:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: thomaswest; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
The DI has lost every battle it's been in. They lost in the courts in Pennsylvania. They lost in elections in Kansas and Penna. They lost in Michigan and Ohio in the Board of Education.

It means that hard line Darwinists win political and legal game. But this is not science. What if some day a US court or legislature defines number PI as 3.14 exactly or two bearded man to be wife and husband? Oh wait it already has happened.

The falsehood of Darwinism is the claim that the universe is a dead purposeless machine ruled by chance. Darwinian beliefs in random mutations followed by natural selection were product of XIX century mindset LONG BEFORE discovery of genes and DNA.

The calculations show that the complexity of life cannot be accounted by so crude and slow mechanism. Evolution might be a fact but Darwin was not closer to truth than Lamarck. We need new unbiased approach.

135 posted on 10/14/2006 6:55:22 PM PDT by A. Pole (Russian proverb: "All are not cooks that walk with long knives")
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To: cookcounty
Well, hardly. The Nobel Committee has only evolutionists on board.

The Evolutionists Conspiracy continues!! Those darned Evolutionists! Everytime you turn to a scientific body, THERE THEY ARE.

136 posted on 10/14/2006 6:55:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: satchmodog9; DaveLoneRanger; nmh
Interesting, since some of the major backers of the intelligent design types at the Discovery Institute, such as Jonathan Wells, are in fact Moonies, i.e., followers of the Rev. Moon. Who has announced himself as the Messiah.

The Moonie backing of ID is one reason why the ID propaganda has not gained acceptance in most Christian churches.

137 posted on 10/14/2006 6:56:18 PM PDT by thomaswest (So many claims to know the "one, true God"... So little evidence except much speaking (Matthew 6).)
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To: lizol
Idiots indeed. But really dangerous, as we can see.

I doubt that they are dangerous. There are more than enough clarified and well educated people in your country to avoid that Poland will turn into a "Christian Taliban regime".

138 posted on 10/14/2006 6:57:06 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: A. Pole
What if some day a US court or legislature defines number PI as 3.14 exactly or two bearded man to be wife and husband? Oh wait it already has happened.

Before I take on the rest of your post, I need to see where any court defined PI as 3.14 exactly (the scientific part of your rant).

139 posted on 10/14/2006 6:57:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (ID: bad science, bad theology and, above all, bad philology)
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To: freedumb2003
The courts times 10,000. Good luck on taking advice on when it's safe to cross the street.


140 posted on 10/14/2006 6:58:41 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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