[Sopater]

I have been presenting evidence in these threads for years.

Thanks Coyoteman, for that interpretation of the evidence. Unfortunately, homology is not evidence of a transitional form, nor is variance that is well within contemporary boundaries evidence for Mr. H. Ergaster being anything but human.

[Ichneumon]

Thanks Coyoteman, for that interpretation of the evidence.

Ah, yes, the old "that's just your interpretation, I can interepret anything and everything any way I want, so I will" standby excuse of the anti-evolutionists comes to the forefront. As usual.

No, son, that's not just "his interpretation", that's what a comprehensive overview of the evidence indicates, and you can't hand-wave it away that easily. Not if you want to retain any intellectual honesty, that is.

Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan "interpret" the Iraq war differently, but that doesn't make them right, and that doesn't make their "interpretation" any more defensible. Reality is what it is, and the honest person faces what it has to teach us.

Unfortunately, homology is not evidence of a transitional form,

It's evidence that they were a different species from ourselves, and that they are diagnostic of a transtional form. Take it up with the professionals if you think you can hand-wave away the totality of their evidence. This should be amusing.

By the way, do you know what Coyoteman does for a living?

nor is variance that is well within contemporary boundaries

ROFL!!

evidence for Mr. H. Ergaster being anything but human.

You'd have a point if your claim were correct, but since it's not...

And Coyoteman had you pegged in advance when he wrote, "Creationists often either hand-wave that evidence away, no matter what it is..."

And contrary to your misleading and racist picture, here's what Ergaster's skull actually looked like:

I don't know anyone with a face like that, do you? Is that "well within contemporary boundaries" where you live? The tiny sloped forehead, the protruding muzzle, the prominent brow ridge, the small cranium? Okay, maybe it *is*, but...

[jennyp]

Thank you, Sopater, for your contribution to the ongoing Ape or Human scientific research survey. Could we please have your expert opinion on these other fossil species?

Which of the following are "just an old ape" and which are "just an old human"? Try it, it's fun!

Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison
(only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). [CLICK HERE] for larger photo.
(Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)

• (A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
  
• (B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
  
• (C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
  
• (D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
  
• (E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
  
• (F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
  
• (G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
  
• (H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
  
• (I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man", 300,000 - 125,000 y
  
• (J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
  
• (K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
  
• (L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
  
• (M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
  
• (N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern

We know that A) is a modern chimpanzee and N) is a modern human. Everyone agrees that M) was a modern human as well. Your challenge is to fill in these blanks:

Fossil	Just an ape	Ape-like transitional	Human-like transitional	Just a human	Not related at all to apes or humans
B	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
C	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
D	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
E	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
F	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
G	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
H	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
I	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
J	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
K	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]
L	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]	[_]

The Responses So Far:

Person	A Pan troglodytes (modern chimp)	B, C Australopithecus africanus	D Homo habilis	E Homo habilis	F Homo rudolfensis	G Homo erectus	H Homo ergaster	I Homo heidelbergensis	J, K Homo sapiens neanderthalensis	L, M Homo sapiens sapiens (Cro-Magnon, modern human)
Mainstream scientists	ape	ape-like trans	ape-like, human-like trans	ape-like, human-like trans	ape-like, human-like trans	human-like trans	human-like trans	human-like trans	human-like trans, human	human
Published creationists...
Bowden, Malcolm	ape		human		human		human			human
Brown, Walt	ape	ape	ape	ape				human	human	human
Gish, Duane (1979)	ape		human		human		human			human
Gish, Duane (1985)	ape		ape		human		human			human
Luskin, Casey	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	human	human	human	human	human
Mehlert, A. W.	ape		ape		human		human			human
Menton, David	ape		human		human		human			human
Taylor, Paul	ape		human		human		human			human
Amateur creationists...
DannyTN	ape	ape	ape		ape	human	human	human	human	human
editor-surveyor	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	human	human
Elsie	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	human	human
Michael_Michaelangelo	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	ape	human	human
MississippiMan	ape							ape		human
Sopater	ape		human	human						human
taxesareforever	human	human	human	human	human	human	human	human	human	human
vetsvette	ape					human				human