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Britain's race chief warns of violence over veil row
www.breitbart.com ^ | Oct 21, 2006 | NA

Posted on 10/22/2006 11:46:30 AM PDT by neverdem

The row in Britain over Muslim women wearing the veil could trigger riots and worse, the country's race relations watchdog chief warned.

Trevor Phillips, chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, said the divisions exposed in the debate that his dominated British media for more than two weeks risked sparking "fire" on the streets.

He said the friction between communities risked becoming "the trigger for the grim spiral that produced riots in the north of England five years ago. Only this time the conflict could be much worse".

"All the recent evidence shows that we are, as a society, becoming more socially polarised by race and faith," Phillips wrote in The Sunday Times newspaper.

"The only place where this may not be true is in our schools and the main reason is that in many of our cities things cannot get any worse."

He called for a "civilised" debate on race.

The veil has been at the centre of a political storm over Muslim integration, with Prime Minister Tony Blair entering the debate by calling the veil a "mark of separation".

Jack Straw, the leader of parliament's House of Commons and a former foreign secretary, sparked renewed debate when he disclosed that he asked Muslim women to remove their veils when they came to consult him in his constituency.

Straw represents the industrial northwestern English town of Blackburn, which has a large Muslim minority of South Asian origin.

Phillips criticised Muslims who had lambasted Straw.

"The so-called Muslim leaders who initially attacked Straw were wrong," he wrote.

"They were overly defensive and need to accept that in a diverse society we should be free to make polite requests of this kind."

He warned the veil debate was becoming dangerously polarised.

"On one side of the trenches we have those who want a fully fledged auto-da-fe (burning of a heretic) against British Muslims in which anything any Muslim does or says must be condemned as a signal of their willful alienation and separation.

"On the other hand the defensiveness of some in the Muslim communities has hardened into a sensitivity that turns the most neutral of comments into yet another act of persecution.

"This is not what anyone intended and it is the last thing Britain needs."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: enemywithin; eurabia; fifthcolumn; hijab; intifada; islam; londonistan; muslim; rop; uk; veil; wot
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1 posted on 10/22/2006 11:46:31 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Welcome to Londonistan - quit appeasing the mullahs!!!!


2 posted on 10/22/2006 11:49:39 AM PDT by Englishman (Thank you America)
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To: neverdem
He warned the veil debate was becoming dangerously polarised...

"This is not what anyone intended and it is the last thing Britain needs."

You must all surrender as quickly as possible. Othewise there could be trouble.

3 posted on 10/22/2006 11:50:29 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: neverdem
Nothing like a good riot to flush them out.

The Muzzies should be worried about the backlash from the Hindus, Sikhs and BNP that's just around the corner...

4 posted on 10/22/2006 11:51:39 AM PDT by The_Englishman
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To: neverdem

Muslims, or anyone else, living in another country should be tolerant of that country's customs and traditions. Muslims cannot expect England to change just for their benefit. If they are not satisfied with the traditions and customs in England they should go elsewhere.

In a free and open society people who go around masked are suspect.


5 posted on 10/22/2006 11:52:03 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: neverdem

If the Koran mentioned Muslim men baring their bottoms in public, would the UK have to put up with that?


6 posted on 10/22/2006 11:52:17 AM PDT by hershey
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To: neverdem

Well, there's the end of the issue. We have to be r-e-a-l-l-y N-I-C-E or they will h-u-r-t us.


7 posted on 10/22/2006 11:55:48 AM PDT by hardworking (Just once, I'd like to vote for a candidate who's actually had to meet a payroll.)
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To: The_Englishman
I wonder just how widely the BBC will cover a riot by the BNP. No doubt they will be castigated in editorials and headlines alike and the politicians won't mince their words in condemning them. Hmmmm - BBC, who is really responsible for this coming backlash - instead of being the impartial news agency they have become the mouthpiece of the extreme mullahs and the extreme left.
8 posted on 10/22/2006 11:57:24 AM PDT by Englishman (Thank you America)
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To: hershey

If the Koran mentioned Muslim men baring their bottoms in public, would the UK have to put up with that?

As a matter of fact, yes. By this logic the answer is a firm yes. And oh, by the way, beating wives, stoning women and honor killings are OK too. Not to mention lying under oath. All just part of the changing scene my good man, what, what?


9 posted on 10/22/2006 11:57:49 AM PDT by hardworking (Just once, I'd like to vote for a candidate who's actually had to meet a payroll.)
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To: hershey

It would depend upon the relative pleasantness of viewing their buttocks.


10 posted on 10/22/2006 12:00:38 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Ever learning . . .)
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To: neverdem
He warned the veil debate was becoming dangerously polarised.

There just isn't enough to be concerned about these days I guess.

11 posted on 10/22/2006 12:01:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: Englishman

I agree, but when it comes to it, I feel this battle will won on the streets - regardless of how the lefty media spins it.


12 posted on 10/22/2006 12:01:45 PM PDT by The_Englishman
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To: neverdem
This has nothing whatsoever to do with "race". This moron has no business even commenting upon it. Demented freaks who worship Allah Satan can be of any color or origin.
13 posted on 10/22/2006 12:03:38 PM PDT by montag813
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To: neverdem
You know I find it interesting that Mr Straw should make such a "provocative" statement about muslim women - I mean the 50% of the muslim population who are regarded as subhuman - in a climate that is already a tinderbox. Could it be that while muslims make up 3-6% of the population while feminist women are a much larger voting block? Sorry to sound so cynical but it is all I have come to expect from British politicians.
14 posted on 10/22/2006 12:11:14 PM PDT by Englishman (Thank you America)
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I don't think Sir Trevor is an appeaser. Here's a brief article that describes him...

Muslims who wish to live under a system of sharia law should leave Britain, the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality suggested yesterday.

Speaking in the wake of demonstrations against Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad, Sir Trevor Phillips said those living in the UK had to accept that British values include a commitment to freedom of speech, even if that means offending people.

“What some minorities have to accept is that there are certain central things we all agree about, which are about the way we treat each other—that we have an attachment to democracy, that we sort things out by voting not by violence and intimidation, that we tolerate things that we don’t like,” he told ITV1’s Jonathan Dimbleby programme. “Short of people menacing and threatening each other, we have freedom of expression. We allow people to offend each other.”

Sir Trevor—who stirred controversy with his attacks on multi-culturalism and calls on ethnic minorities to integrate—said a consequence of freedom of speech was that non-Muslims must accept imams’ right to denounce homosexuality.

He rejected the idea that British Muslims should be allowed to live under sharia law in their communities. “I don’t think that’s conceivable,” he said. “We have one set of laws … and that’s the end of the story. If you want to have laws decided in another way, you have to live somewhere else.” Sir Trevor said he wanted to promote a sense of “Britishness” in the UK. “One point of Britishness is that people can say what they like about the way we should live, however absurd, however unpopular it is,” he said.

Source.


15 posted on 10/22/2006 12:27:27 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Englishman; The_Englishman; montag813; All

You know I find it interesting that Western Civilization spent the last 5 - 6 centuries trying to avoid Islam and the Middle East as much as possible. Witness Christopher Columbus, and those who followed afterward. Relatively cheap oil, idiotic leftist deconstructionism and the end of colonialism brought us back to this mess. How did anyone think that they could avoid it?


16 posted on 10/22/2006 12:37:11 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Dark Skies
I don't think Sir Trevor is a politician either. I suspect any reasonable advice given by Sir Trevor will eventually be ignored by the likes of Jack Straw.
Ever since John Major succeeded Margaret Thatcher, the dominant political philosophy has been consensus. There is no room for consensus in this case because the views are diametrically opposed. The muslims won't compromise their position and visa versa. I fear, along with many others, that this will spill over into violence.
17 posted on 10/22/2006 12:48:26 PM PDT by Englishman (Thank you America)
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To: neverdem
Britain has a "race chief". Terrific.

Every time I think our country is screwed up, I just look to Europe. Then I realize that Europe is screwed up compared to Britain, but I look to Britain, and it's still screwed up compared to us.

A fricking "race chief".

18 posted on 10/22/2006 1:06:06 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: hardworking

what ever happened to the word "deportation"?

get rid of the louts, get the societal burdens, trouble making, non integrating SOB's out....


19 posted on 10/22/2006 1:35:04 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: neverdem
"On the other hand the defensiveness of some in the Muslim communities has hardened into a sensitivity that turns the most neutral of comments into yet another act of persecution."

Any form of criticism is not tolerated by the Islamic slime.

20 posted on 10/22/2006 1:38:52 PM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between the terrorists and the Democrats)
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