A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)

National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

[Blackirish]

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

[Beagle8U]

". In short, anyone who thinks that libertarianism and social conservatives are in direct oppostion to each other is either naive or is deliberately trying to sabotage things."

Huh? In what drug induced state would you think that social conservatives could abide with the Libertarian platform?

Queer marriage, sex with children and small animals, every drug legal, abortion on demand, anything goes.

Politically speaking, you are confused if you think those two factions could ever agree.

[Jim Robinson]

Yeah, well a buddy of yours up thread gratuitously connected evolution theory to a whole lot of unrelated things so I was simply following suit. All that aside, only a willing tool or a liberal would ignore the hand the Godless ACLU has in promoting all this anti-God, anti-America, anti-freedom bull crap. And that is the very real association, unfortunately for the "science is the true religion and all others can go to hell thank you very much" people.

[grey_whiskers]

Clicked on your home page...

The following quote describes EXACTLY the dilemma many feel about the RINOs and the upcoming election...

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,... to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man."

--Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

The Republican Party can still be reformed from within, the Democrats have passed the point of no return.

[whattajoke]

All that aside, only a willing tool or a liberal would ignore the hand the Godless ACLU has in promoting all this anti-God, anti-America, anti-freedom bull crap.

Charles Darwin never heard of the ACLU. I'll bid you goodnight before I get into too much trouble.

[metmom]

This whole business of *anti-science* and *pro-science* is just a tool to be used against creationists. There are those of us who do not agree with the lock step doctrine of the ToE and hence are labeled as *anti-science*.

Disagreement with the interpretation of the fossil record is not a blanket rejection of science as a whole. Evolution depends on science to support it, but science does not depend on evolution to support IT.

There are those of us creationists who have degrees in science and some who work in scientific fields, and yet that means little to the evolutionists who label us that.

The whole basis for deciding what a *real* scientist is and what *real* science is apparetly one's opinion of the Theory of Evolution. It's irrelevant whether one's field of expertise is even related to evolution or not. If you are a creationist, you are automatically *anti-science*.

[Blackirish]

Queer marriage, sex with children and small animals, every drug legal, abortion on demand, anything goes

---

You gotta be pretty goofy too even think that...but oh yeah you are.

[CWOJackson]

Not much of a stretch when you actually visit the Libertarian Party website...the language is a little more couched in PC terms.

[metmom]

I have seen what pot can do to people. I've watched friends who were bright, amitious people with everything going for them turn into dopey, glassy-eyed pot heads who can only think about their next joint, drink, or guy and have lost their memory and ability to reason and think clearly. I sure wouldn't want anyone in that condition working for me.

[Beagle8U]

Read their platform. You buy into their party you get the whole package.

[Jim Robinson]

In today's world, it's the ACLU (and their willing fools and tools) forcing all this crap on us.

[Blackirish]

Thats as intellectually honest as saying if your an Evangelical then must buy into you playing with snakes and drinking strychnine

[Blackirish]

"you must buy"

getting late

[CWOJackson]

We're discussing the LP...I'm not too sure "intellectual honesty" can be applied. If you'd read any of the drivel coming out of CATO lately you probably wouldn't have used that term.

[metmom]

Thanks cm, Another example of the courtesy with which evos treat non-evos. Lump everyone who disagrees with you into one category to try to discredit them, and of course, post it to nobody so that it can't be considered a personal insult.

[satchmodog9]

Kind of like poaching us slowly vs dropping us like lobsters in the boiling pot

[Fiddlstix]

In today's world, it's the ACLU (and their willing fools and tools) forcing all this crap on us.

[Blackirish]

True but if you read the NRO piece or the beginning of the thread this has been a debate between small L libertarian/conservatives and the social right both who vote Republican but have different priorities ...even goals.

This has little to do with card carrying members of the Libertarian party who don't vote Republican.

[Blackirish]

True but if you read the NRO piece or the beginning of the thread this has been a debate between small L libertarian/conservatives and the social right both who vote Republican but have different priorities ...even goals.

This has little to do with card carrying members of the Libertarian party who don't vote Republican.

[denydenydeny]

Where on earth did I say anything about the Libertarian Party and its platform?

I am talking about the basic desire to be left alone by the government which is the essence of libertarianism. This is generally called "small-l" libertarianism. And I stand by my statement that nothing in it is incompatible with social conservatism, which also wants to be left alone by government for its own reasons.

Don't caricature my viewpoint.

[CWOJackson]

I've never really figured out just what a small "l" libertarian is. From my experience with them they are nothing more then someone with some sort of axe to grind with the GOP and hiding behind the LP. They all hide their particular grudge behind the "small l" label.

It's a convenient way to attempt to legitimize their particular anger but without a united definition it's really just a deceptive smoke screen.