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A Return to Triangulation (libertarion vs social right)
National Review Online ^ | 10/25/06 | David Boaz & David Kirby

Posted on 10/25/2006 11:10:46 AM PDT by Blackirish

As the Republican base fragments and Christian conservatives consider a “fast” from politics, the polling data point to a mid-term Republican thumping. Less than two weeks from now, Republicans will begin their post-mortem soul searching. And as the corpses of their House and Senate majorities grow cold, so should Karl Rove’s 2006 campaign strategy.

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To: stands2reason

Okay, a Theory of Evolution fundamentalist.

Happy now?


751 posted on 10/26/2006 9:28:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: SoldierDad
It's OK SoldierDad.We're just talking a little.
752 posted on 10/26/2006 9:29:24 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Senator Bedfellow; fatima

Well, dear, YOU certainly aren't "important" at all. OTOH, fatima never did claim that SHE was; but she is quite IMPORTANT to her FRiends here. And FYI...and anti-FR site is anti FREE REPUBLIC.


753 posted on 10/26/2006 9:30:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Liberal Classic

Well, maybe we ought to just part ways then while we're still friends.


754 posted on 10/26/2006 9:30:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Senator Bedfellow

His son is in Iraq-Hellooo.


755 posted on 10/26/2006 9:30:59 PM PDT by fatima
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To: stands2reason; little jeremiah
Insults like "evofundie?"

No, more like *cretard* which is used pretty regularly over at DC. How clever...

756 posted on 10/26/2006 9:32:18 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson

They try. But it doesn't make the science suspect if it is backed by tremendous amounts of evidence, like evolution.

And don't imply that I attack believers, because I do believe in God.

If the left decided to "embrace" the flag, it wouldn't sully it either.


757 posted on 10/26/2006 9:32:59 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: fatima
It's not luck it called leadership.

I guess I'm just not motivated enough to enforce that sort of orthodoxy, and call it "leadership". Sorry again.

You have an anti-freeper website.

Would you care if I suggested that this website was "anti-Darwin Central"? Should you?

758 posted on 10/26/2006 9:33:08 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: metmom
It's not just a matter of banned FReepers blowing off steam.

I never said "banned".

759 posted on 10/26/2006 9:33:37 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; fatima

Shallow people rarely care about or think about anyone but themselves. Case in point presented here.


760 posted on 10/26/2006 9:33:44 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: fatima
Oh my gosh,it really plays the song.I am just trying to keep up with all this.

LOL! Yep it does J

Almost all graphics that I post will have a clickable link. Sometimes it will be music. Sometimes it will be to another thread. Whatever........
Now you know.......
J

761 posted on 10/26/2006 9:34:03 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: stands2reason

I see.


762 posted on 10/26/2006 9:34:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: nopardons
Well, dear, YOU certainly aren't "important" at all.

Opinions will vary ;)

OTOH, fatima never did claim that SHE was; but she is quite IMPORTANT to her FRiends here.

I am glad - she's lucky to have good friends. As are you. As am I.

763 posted on 10/26/2006 9:35:23 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: SoldierDad
Shallow people rarely care about or think about anyone but themselves.

I would tend to disagree. My opinions obviously are not sufficient to affect yours; similarly, yours are not sufficient to affect me. It happens.

764 posted on 10/26/2006 9:37:01 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: ml1954
"You just drew an equivalence between the terrorists on the Achille Lauro and some people who have been banned from FR, implying they would have engaged in murder if they hadn't been."

Just throwing back a little of what the DC folks have been force feeding on this forum for some time. Does the word 'fundie', and 'muslim extremist' ring a bell. It better, because there is quite a history that could be dredged up, especially on threads with the first post starting out with the BS 'everybody be nice'.

"BTW, many of these people that have been banned are hard working scientists... one of whom is currently engaged in research to thwart terrorists."

Swell. I wish that individual success--honestly. But that does not mitigate in the least the reprehensible conduct (BTW, you are talking about the misnamed 'RightWingProfessor', whose own words here were something to the effect of regretting ever doing something for the right

"Ironic, isn't it? Do you have any idea how what you wrote comes across? And do you even give a d*mn?"

Actually, I don't. And the victim ploy is disingenuous, given the history. I'm not fond of folks who quote scripture in place of thought, but I despise those who decide to prey upon the civility of others. In other words, if you haven't seen it, watch the movie 'Witness' and watch the teen punks picking on an Amish person, knowing that said Amish will not fight back. Then along comes the character played by Harrison Ford.

And before you start running back to your site, keep in mind that there are folks on this forum who do understand science, and resent the crap that's been thrown about. Also keep in mind that some folks don't 'talk shop' here, and its none of your god d**ned business what they do for a living.

Now, you want to talk science, then do so. Once that becomes 'conservatives are retards' or 'conservatives are anti-science', a line gets crossed.
This blowup has been festering for a long time. I'm surprised its taken this long to start kicking some a**.

765 posted on 10/26/2006 9:37:26 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Senator Bedfellow
No,This is a Conservative site but they sure don't talk about your site.
766 posted on 10/26/2006 9:38:15 PM PDT by fatima
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To: fatima

Are you kidding me? Have you been reading this thread?


767 posted on 10/26/2006 9:39:15 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: fatima
"So your an anti-freeper.If you have a science website do science.Don't talk about another website.It will pull you down."

No. I'm not anti-freeper. You misunderstood. What I was trying to say is that the other site provides more than enough evidence to show just how disingenous how its members (not all) can be.

768 posted on 10/26/2006 9:40:34 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Senator Bedfellow
If "Buncha people just got tossed over the side of the FR boat. " doesn't equal "banned" then what does it mean?

Yeah sure, you didn't say banned in so many words but there's not a lot of other interpratations. If they left on their own, they weren't *tossed*. Slippery.

769 posted on 10/26/2006 9:41:06 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stands2reason

Is that kind of like you just called me a Marxist (#719) because I stated the obvious that Marxists (meaning the left) use "science" as a weapon against us? And then next accusing me of claiming all scientists are Marxists (#735)?


770 posted on 10/26/2006 9:41:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
I am your friend. I've been trying to talk to you man to man for two nights now. I'm being your friend, because I'm not just telling you what you want to hear.

The GOP must be the party of reason and science. We cannot cede those positions to the Dems. There are some folks who say that modern biology diametrically opposed to faith. I don't buy that for a minute. I've known too many people in biology who are Christians and Jews. None of them had any problem with Darwin's theory of natural selection or Mendel's theory of inheritance or the rest of it.

The only conflict between science and faith is that which people manfacture, but there are some people on this board trying to manufacture conflict. Scratch some of these guys, and you find some real pieces of work. That that Ted Holden character (medved) is back posting again under a new nick. He's a fruit loop. I don't want the Republican party to become associated with his brand of idiocy.

771 posted on 10/26/2006 9:41:26 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

His son is in Iraq.You are not a leader-don't waste my time and post to me again.


772 posted on 10/26/2006 9:41:41 PM PDT by fatima
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To: metmom

Whatever.


773 posted on 10/26/2006 9:42:57 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Opinions "might" vary; however, in the scheme and history of FR, you are insignificant and THAT is a fact.....not an opinion.

Case in point: you and your ilk hijacked this thread and turned it into a flame war and a place to air your own agendas, pimp your forum, and insult Jim and everyone else who is not part of your teensy group. I group, I might add, which spends the vast majority of its time discussing something that is NOT politics. This forum was set up for the debate and discussion of POLITICS!

Yes, by now, FR has morphed into a site that encompasses other things.........which is okay if you people stay in your own part of FR, I guess; however, you don't. You came onto this thread and ruined it.

774 posted on 10/26/2006 9:43:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tench_Coxe

I see,sorry(((Hugs)))


775 posted on 10/26/2006 9:44:16 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Tench_Coxe; little jeremiah

Little jeremiah said that the word "fundie" is not an insult, rather a neutral descriptive term.


776 posted on 10/26/2006 9:45:19 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I have been fighting against the Marxist "everything is political" (art, science, cooking, etc.) for more than ten lustrums. It's sad (but not surprising) to see that such an idea has taken hold with Conservatives.,p> I think some of the Conservatives have been worn out by fighting it too--either they have been exposed to it for too long, and have in resignation begun to believe it, since it is all they see; or they have got tired of losing with high principles and have decided to fight fire with fire.

Glad to see you're still here posting, BTW.

Cheers!

777 posted on 10/26/2006 9:45:21 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: fatima
His son is in Iraq.

So I should automatically adhere to his views in their entirety?

I would thank his son for his service, of course; for that, we are all grateful.

You are not a leader-don't waste my time and post to me again.

OK. Sorry you feel that way.

778 posted on 10/26/2006 9:45:45 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: metmom
No, more like *cretard* which is used pretty regularly over at DC.

No,This is a Conservative site but they sure don't talk about your site. Sure, no one talks about DC.

779 posted on 10/26/2006 9:46:32 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Dominic Harr
You're right. this is a lefty fantasy about our split and demoralized party.

A dem victory would be disastrous; investigations, gridlock, scandal, hysteria and vitriol on a scale not seen in some time. Hope the country doesn't have to learn the hard way.
780 posted on 10/26/2006 9:46:35 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: metmom

Are you saying "evofundie" isn't an insult?


781 posted on 10/26/2006 9:47:08 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason

And THAT is specious, at best.


782 posted on 10/26/2006 9:47:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
FR has morphed into a site that encompasses other things.........

Thank God, you didn't say "evolved."

LOL-LOL-LOL

783 posted on 10/26/2006 9:47:42 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: nopardons
Opinions "might" vary; however, in the scheme and history of FR, you are insignificant and THAT is a fact.....not an opinion.

Maybe. Then again, I don't care - I have other priorities besides being seen as important to FR. Sorry.

784 posted on 10/26/2006 9:47:44 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Say you are sorry to SoldierDad.


785 posted on 10/26/2006 9:48:03 PM PDT by fatima
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To: stands2reason
Oh the irony of writing "scientists are Marxists" on a modern computer and sending it into cyberspace.

Does the phrase "dialectical materialism" strike a chord?
Does the name "JBS Haldane" ring a bell?
No, not all scientists are Marxists. Most aren't. But it would be refreshing to hear those Marxists misusing science being loudly told to STFU.

I blame it on the Gramscian infiltration of the academy...and no, I don't accept any analogies to Dr. Strangelove for saying that.

Cheers!

786 posted on 10/26/2006 9:48:39 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: fatima

When someone puts down a friend of mine who means a lot to me I take offense from that. Especially when the friend has done nothing to earn such disregard. I don't understand people who take such delight in being so rude and obnoxious.


787 posted on 10/26/2006 9:48:42 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; fatima
Would you care if I suggested that this website was "anti-Darwin Central"? Should you?

Something called statistical inference is involved in the question. I think population size is a significant part of that involvement.

788 posted on 10/26/2006 9:48:48 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: onyx

Oooooooooooooooo....that WOULD have been a disaster. LOL


789 posted on 10/26/2006 9:49:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: fatima
Say you are sorry to SoldierDad.

What am I apologizing for?

790 posted on 10/26/2006 9:49:21 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Liberal Classic

If you (and yours) continue insulting my dear friends, not to mention continuing to insult my beliefs, then you and I will cease being friends.


791 posted on 10/26/2006 9:49:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Whom have I insulted?


792 posted on 10/26/2006 9:49:36 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Also, in which posting did I deny a "Creator"?


793 posted on 10/26/2006 9:49:55 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: SoldierDad

It means nothing to me so relax.


794 posted on 10/26/2006 9:50:06 PM PDT by fatima
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To: AndrewC
I think population size is a significant part of that involvement.

Okay.

OBTW, here's the thing you were looking for:

UNL chemists research bomb detection options

795 posted on 10/26/2006 9:51:14 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Dimensio

Have no idea. I'm sure you're the only innocent person here.


796 posted on 10/26/2006 9:51:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Dimensio

LOL


797 posted on 10/26/2006 9:52:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: grey_whiskers

It's been a problem for the last few years trying to support low-taxes, smaller government, and such. These are now welded to the idea of being a racist anti-science nut.


798 posted on 10/26/2006 9:52:54 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: fatima
"I see,sorry(((Hugs)))"

No apologies necessary. I've got a hide a mile thick. But, thanks anyway. :)

799 posted on 10/26/2006 9:53:17 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Senator Bedfellow
You're lying.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't have responded as you have and if you REALLY didn't care, you would just go post on your twee Darwin forum and get off FR.

You aren't sorry at all.

Your ego is palpating with hurt and anger.

And as far as "priorities" are concerned, that's just another way of claiming that you are standing on your "principles". Neither tactic is working; dear. LOL

800 posted on 10/26/2006 9:53:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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