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A New Foundation for Positive Cultural Change: Science and God in the Public Square
Human Events ^ | September 15, 2000 | Nancy Pearcey

Posted on 10/28/2006 3:22:14 PM PDT by betty boop

Moral conservatives were shocked to read a thinly veiled defense of infanticide in the New York Times a few years ago by MIT [now of Harvard] professor Steven Pinker. But they would be even more disturbed if they saw Pinker’s justification for his views in a book that appeared about the same time.

In How the Mind Works, Pinker argues that the fundamental premise of ethics has been disproved by science. “Ethical theory,” he writes, “requires idealizations like free, sentient, rational, equivalent agents whose behavior is uncaused.” Yet, “the world, as seen by science, does not really have uncaused events.”

In other words, moral reasoning assumes the existence of things that science tells us are unreal. Pinker tries to retain some validity for ethics nonetheless by offering a “double truth” theory: “A human being,” he says, “is simultaneously a machine and a sentient agent, depending on the purposes of the discussion.”

It’s astonishing that anyone, especially an MIT professor, would be capable of sustaining two such contradictory ideas. But in fact, it is quite common, says Phillip Johnson in The Wedge of Truth. Since the Enlightenment, knowledge has split into two separate and often contradictory spheres: “facts” (science) versus “values” (ethics, religion, the humanities).

The trouble with this division is that eventually one side comes to dominate. This is the key to understanding why America is embroiled in a culture clash today, Johnson argues — and why moral and religious conservatives are losing. The direction in intellectual history since the Enlightenment has been to grant science the authority to pronounce what is real, true, objective, and rational, while relegating ethics and religion to the realm of subjective opinion and nonrational experience.

Once this definition of knowledge is conceded, then any position that appears to be backed by science will ultimately triumph in the public square over any position that appears based on ethics or religion. The details of the particular debate do not matter. For, in principle, we do not enact into public policy and we do not teach in the public schools views based private opinion or tribal prejudice.

Johnson gives a rich description of how the fact/value dichotomy operates. Its origin is generally traced to Descartes, who proposed a sharp dualism between matter and mind. It was not long before the realm of matter came to be seen as more certain, more objective, than the realm of mind. The subject matter of physics is indeed much simpler than metaphysics, and hence yields far wider agreement. This was mistakenly taken to mean that physics is objective while metaphysics is subjective. The result was the rise of scientism and positivism — philosophies that accord naturalistic science a monopoly on knowledge and consign all else to mere private belief and fantasy.

Today, Johnson writes, “the dominance of the scientific naturalist definition of knowledge eventually ensures that no independent source of knowledge will be recognized.”

Darwin, Buddha, Jesus, Fairies
Yet, depending on how scientists judge the public’s mood, they are more or less blunt about this epistemological imperialism. When feeling secure in their role as the cultural priesthood, they insist that naturalistic science has completely discredited the claims of religion. Tufts philosopher Daniel Dennett, in Darwin’s Dangerous Idea, says Darwinian evolution is “a universal acid” that dissolves all traditional religious and moral beliefs. He suggests that traditional churches be relegated to “cultural zoos” for the amusement of onlookers.

I witnessed the same attitude at a conference last April at Baylor University: Nobel prize-winner Steven Weinberg lumped together all spiritual teachings, whether of Buddha or Jesus, as talk about “fairies.” A few months earlier he had told the Freedom From Religion Association, “I personally feel that the teaching of modern science is corrosive to religious belief, and I’m all for that.” If science helps bring about the end of religion, he concluded, “it would be the most important contribution science could make.”

Using a sports metaphor, Johnson calls these outspoken scientists “the offensive platoon,” brought out as needed to “invok[e] the authority of science to silence any theistic protest.” At other times, however, when the public shows signs of restlessness at this imposition of naturalistic philosophy under the guise of science, “the defensive platoon takes the field. That is when we read spin-doctored reassurances that many scientists are religious (in some sense) . . . and that science and religion are separate realms which should never be mixed.”

But separate-but-equal in principle invariably means unequal in practice. For example, a report by the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) says, “whether God exists or not is a question about which science is neutral.” But a survey of NAS members by Larry Witham and Edward Larson in Scientific American found that 90% of scientists don’t believe in a supernatural God. Witham and Larson conclude: “The irony is remarkable: a group of specialists who are nearly all unbelievers — and who believe that science compels such a conclusion — told the public that ‘science is neutral’ on the God question.”

Or perhaps worse than an irony, Johnson comments; it may be a “noble lie” that the intellectual priesthood tells to the common people to conceal their own nihilism.

Keep the Public In the Dark
Similarly, Harvard’s Stephen J. Gould proposes a peacemaking formula he calls NOMA (“non-overlapping magisteria”), granting science and religion each its own distinct authority. This sounds fair enough — but it all depends on where one draws the line. Consider Gould’s assessment of the 1996 statement by John Paul II, in which the pope tentatively supported evolution while emphatically rejecting any theories that “consider the spirit as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter.”

How did Gould treat this affirmation of the reality of the spiritual realm? He condescendingly granted that such a quaint notion might have some “metaphorical value,” but added that he privately suspected it to be “no more than a sop to our fears, a device for maintaining a belief in human superiority within an evolutionary world offering no privileged position to any creature.”

In other words, Gould reduced religion to mere emotion at best — at worst, to the sin of speciesism. This was a bit much even for John Haught of Georgetown University, himself an ardent evolutionist: He complained that Gould “never concedes the slightest cognitive status to religion” — that for Gould religion merely “paints a coat of ‘value’ over the otherwise valueless ‘facts’ described by science.”

Precisely. For the modern Darwinist, Johnson explains, the only role left for the theologian “is to put a theistic spin on the story provided by materialism.” Theology does not provide an independent source of knowledge; all it can do is “borrow knowledge to put a subjective interpretation on it.”

Clearly, the function of the defensive platoon is merely to keep religious folk content with their subordinate status. Darwinists understand that it is sometimes more effective not to press the logic of the fact/value split to its unpalatable conclusions too adamantly, lest the public catch on and raise a protest. Instead of arguing that religion is false, by relegating it to the “value” realm, they keep the question of true and false off the table altogether. As Johnson says, religion is consigned “to the private sphere, where illusory beliefs are acceptable ‘if they work for you.’”

Thus the fact/value split “allows the metaphysical naturalists to mollify the potentially troublesome religious people by assuring them that science does not rule out ‘religious belief’ (so long as it does not pretend to be knowledge).”

Once this division is accepted in principle however, Johnson warns, the philosophical naturalists have won. “Whenever the ‘separate realms’ logic surfaces, you can be sure that the wording implies that there is a ruling realm (founded on reality) and a subordinate realm (founded on illusions which must be retained for the time being).” Hence, “the formula allows the ruling realm to expand its territory at will.”

Epistemological Imperialism
The expansion of the “fact” realm into theology can be traced in the work of scientists such as Harvard’s E.O. Wilson, who seeks to explain religion itself as a product of evolution. Religion is merely an idea that appears in the human mind when the nervous system has evolved to a certain level of complexity.

In Consilience, Wilson says religion evolved because belief in God gave early humans an edge in the struggle for survival. Today, he says, we must abandon traditional religions and develop a new unifying myth based squarely on evolution — a religion that deifies the process itself, where no teaching, no doctrine, is true in any final sense because all ideas evolve over time.

A similar expansion can be traced in ethics, where sociobiology and evolutionary psychology now presume to answer moral questions. In the notorious New York Times article mentioned above, Pinker argues that since infanticide is widespread in human cultures, it must be a product of evolution. As he puts it, the “emotional circuitry of mothers has evolved” to include a “capacity for neonaticide.” It is simply part of our “biological design.”

Accept this logic, Johnson warns, and you will be pressed to the conclusion that killing off babies is not a moral horror but a morally neutral act, a genetically encoded evolutionary adaptation, like wings or claws.

Pinker does not draw this conclusion — yet. But when the time seems ripe to overthrow the traditional moral view, Johnson predicts, doctrinaire naturalists “will complete the logic by observing that the moral sphere is as empty as the religious realm,” and therefore has no power to stand against the conclusions of “science.”

Shortly after Johnson finished his book, his forewarnings were confirmed by the appearance of a book titled The Natural History of Rape, which argued that, biologically speaking, rape is not a pathology; instead, it is an evolutionary strategy for maximizing reproductive success: In other words, if candy and flowers don’t do the trick, some men may resort to coercion to fulfill the reproductive imperative. The book calls rape “a natural, biological phenomenon that is a product of the human evolutionary heritage,” akin to “the leopard’s spots and the giraffe’s elongated neck.”

The book roused sharp controversy, but as one of the authors, Randy Thornhill, said on National Public Radio, the logic is inescapable: Since evolution is true, it must be true, he said, that “every feature of every living thing, including human beings, has an underlying evolutionary background. That’s not a debatable matter.” Every behavior that exists today must confer some evolutionary advantage; otherwise, it would not have been preserved by natural selection.

The “fact” realm has even expanded into the philosophy of mind, where consistent Darwinists tell us there is no single, central “self,” residing somehow within the body, that makes decisions, holds opinions, loves and hates. Instead, in the currently popular “computational” theory, the mind is a set of computers that solve specific problems forwarded by the senses. The notion of a unified self is an illusion, Pinker says — an illusion selected by evolution only because our body needs to be able to go one direction at a time.

Of course, computers operate without consciousness, so the question arises why we are conscious beings. Some neuroscientists conclude that we aren’t — that consciousness too is an illusion. Philosopher Paul Churchland says mental states do not exist, and suggests that we replace language about beliefs and desires with statements about the nervous system’s physical mechanisms — the activation of neurons and so on.

Piling example upon example, Johnson illustrates the epistemological imperialism of the “fact” sphere. This explains why moral and religious conservatives seem to have little effect in the public square: Their message is filtered through a fact/value grid that reduces it to an expression of mere emotional attachment and tribal prejudice. To turn the tide of the culture war, conservatives must challenge this definition of knowledge, and make the case that religion and morality are genuine sources of knowledge. We must “assert the existence of such a cognitive territory,” Johnson writes, “and be prepared to defend it. ” [Emphasis added.]

Of course, others have offered philosophical arguments to undercut the fact/value dichotomy, notably Michael Polanyi and Leo Strauss. What makes Johnson’s approach unique is that he takes the battle into science itself. He proposes that Darwinian evolution itself can and should be critiqued, since it functions as the crucial scientific support for philosophical naturalism. For if nature alone can produce everything that exists, then we must accept the reductionist conclusions described above. If, to take the last example, the mind is a product of material processes at its origin, then we must concede that it consists of nothing more than material processes — that our thoughts are reducible to the firing of neurons.

How Information Changes Everything
In science itself, the cutting-edge issue is information, Johnson says. Any text, whether a book or the DNA code, requires a complex, nonrepeating arrangement of letters. Can this kind of order be produced by chance or law? The answer, he argues, is no. Chance produces randomness, while physical law produces simple, repetitive order (like using a macro on your computer to print a phrase over and over). The only cause of complex, nonrepeating, specified order is an intelligent agent. [Emphasis added.]

Ordinary laboratory research implicitly assumes the reality of intelligent design, Johnson notes. Biologists talk of “molecular machines” and evaluate their “engineering design.” They conduct experiments that are described as “reverse engineering” to determine what functions biological structures perform. They talk about “libraries” of genetic information stored in DNA, and about how RNA “translates” the four-letter language of the nucleotides into the 20-letter language of proteins.

All this implies that information is real — and information in turn implies the existence of a mind, a personal agent, capable of intention and choice. Thus purposes and ends [e.g., formal and final causes, to use the Aristotelian language] are real and objective, and the “value” realm is restored to the status of genuine knowledge.

Johnson only hints at what this would imply for a revival of traditional theology and ethics. But he suggests that it would begin with the many-layered verse in John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word,” the Logos — reason, intelligence, information. “These simple words make a fundamental statement that is directly contradictory to the corresponding starting point of scientific materialism,” Johnson writes, and they open the door to a much richer definition of knowledge and of reason itself.

This conclusion is certainly suggestive, though not well developed. Johnson’s greatest accomplishment is to give a deft analysis of the imperialism of the “fact” sphere. Unfortunately, he barely touches on the opposite dynamic — the incursion of the “value” sphere into the “fact” realm — which is well advanced in many fields. It is called postmodernism, and it reduces all knowledge claims to social constructions at best, to power plays at worst. Johnson devotes a chapter to the impact of postmodernism on the humanities, but it is the thinnest chapter in the book, and it is clear that his greatest concern is with the scientific fields where the older Enlightenment rationalism still reigns.

For the rationalist, Johnson is no doubt correct that the only approach that carries weight is a scientific one. Only a demonstration that the scientific data itself has theistic implications bridges the sphere of objective, public, verifiable knowledge. Johnson includes clear and readable discussions of standard anti-Darwinian arguments. (There has long been skepticism within the scientific community about the enormous extrapolation from minor variations within living things to explain the origin of living things.) He also gives a deliciously witty account of the Kansas controversy.

The strength of the book, however, is to show the wide-ranging implications of intelligent design theory in other fields, and to trace its relevance for nonscientists — indeed, for all who are concerned about preserving a free and humane society.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: darwinism; intelligentdesign; moralabsolutes; nancypearcey; phillipjohnson; religionisobsolete; stevenpinker
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To: YHAOS
But surely not "soul" mates, I would hardly think.

Unlikely!!!! LOL!

161 posted on 10/30/2006 2:41:36 PM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: Cicero; betty boop
"Actually, I hate to be crass"

Ahh, go right ahead. I expect you are correct in most instances.

162 posted on 10/30/2006 4:32:56 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS; betty boop

Well, I only met him that once, at a reception arranged by a colleague. I was responsible for hiring him to come over and do a yearly seminar at NYU. My predecessor had set the thing up, and I didn't see that my own preferences should govern--it was an obvious coup for the department.

Anyway, I don't really know what was going on, but in my view of academia (not personal experience, however), sleeping with the professor and getting good recommendations are not necessarily irreconcilable. But what Derrida was actually up to I have no idea. All I could think to ask him was whether his apartment was comfortable and he had everything he needed.


163 posted on 10/30/2006 4:48:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: betty boop
The inherent bias is that metaphysical considerations are not allowed. Evolution must explain all human behaviors and the outcomes of those behaviors.

You know, apologist, the evolutionist's statement itself seems to be inherently "metaphysical" -- though of a bastardized sort, it seems.

Or to view it in a slightly different way, the concept that the physical sciences alone can provide truth and answer questions is, itself, a philosophical, not a scientific, statement. How would one empirically test the truth of such a concept? Or as author J.P. Moreland put it:

"... the aims, methodologies and presuppositions of science cannot be validated by science. One cannot turn to science to justify science any more than one can pull up oneself by his own bootstraps. The validation of science is a philosophical issue, not a scientific one, and any claim to the contrary will be a self-refuting philosophical claim."

164 posted on 10/30/2006 8:09:48 PM PST by apologist
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To: Dimensio
The inherent bias is that metaphysical considerations are not allowed.

This is a limitation of the scope of science, not a "bias" specifically of the theory of evolution.

It was unclear to me that the bias referred to how the theory came about, versus a bias inherent in the theory itself. I assumed the former.

Regardless, some scientists have no qualms about ignoring the alleged "limitations of the scope of science" when it doesn't disrupt their worldview; for example, the multiverse concept - hypothesizing about untestable and unobservable "other" universes outside of our own, as a way of proposing how a just-right-for-life universe could randomly come about. Sounds a tad metaphysical to me.

Evolution must explain all human behaviors and the outcomes of those behaviors.

Do you have evidence that it does not?

ALL behaviors are the product of, and allegedly explainable by, physical processes, there is no such thing as true free will. We are all, as Pearcey states in her book Total Truth, machines made out of meat.

Please justify this claim with evidence.

I'm not quite sure where you stand here. Do you think evolution explains all human behavior, or do you think we are NOT purely physical beings? If the former, please give me your definition of free will and I'll be more than happy to go from there and address the inadequacy of a materialist, evolutionary view to explain the origin and existence of free will.

165 posted on 10/30/2006 8:40:02 PM PST by apologist
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To: mitch5501
"In such a view, it doesn't seem (as you point out) that science can be some sort of standalone endeavour, untainted or unaffected by human prejudices."

It would also vary in degree depending on the subject matter.When the subject matter is origins it seems (at least to me) to be in full tilt mode.

Good point, mitch5501. The more an area of study touches on the "big questions" - where did we come from, why are we here, where are we going? - the more vulnerable it would seem to be to human prejudice.

166 posted on 10/30/2006 8:45:48 PM PST by apologist
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To: betty boop; Dimensio
... and reproductive success relative to environmental conditions as a result of heriditable traits leading to increased expression of those traits in future populations have all been observed.

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I don't know what light such truly shed on the problem of one species arising from an entirely different predecessor species. The studies may be perfectly valid for microevolution, yet not necessarily furnish evidence for macroevolution.

An important distinction, betty boop. Dimensio's careful statement about "heriditable traits leading to an increased expression of those traits" seems to be addressing existing genetic information being expressed in varying amounts based on enviromental conditions... as opposed to the blossoming of new functions and form (e.g., new, non-prexisting genetic information) from an existing genetic base.

167 posted on 10/30/2006 9:04:28 PM PST by apologist
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To: Cicero

Thanks, Cicero. And thanks for your all your excellent contributions here at FR. Wish there were more of you.


168 posted on 10/31/2006 5:25:57 AM PST by cornelis
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To: TASMANIANRED; cornelis; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe; .30Carbine
"The more I know the more I discover how little we actually know. "

Profound truth, indeed!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I recently ran across my senior-year [1955, if you must ask... <grin>] high school yearbook, and found this recorded for posterity as my "Philosophy of Life":

"As man increases the radius
of the circle of his knowledge,
he expands by a factor of 2Pi
the circumference upon which
he touches his ignorance..."

As a physical scientist, who never tires of the thrill of discovery, I have often reveled in that relationship as "the joy of scientific exploration".

As a Christian, with personal, experiential knowledge of God the Creator, I observe that far too many of my brethren -- at the very deepest core of their belief systems -- fear that selfsame relationship as "the sin of reaching for too much worldly knowledge".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And, it is that profound diffence in viewpoints, I despair, that fuels many of these "CREVO" threads...

169 posted on 10/31/2006 6:03:53 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA
"The more I know the more I discover how little we actually know. " / Profound truth, indeed!

Indeed.. A life of discovery then produces a dumber individual the older it gets.. When I was twenty I was quite intelligent almost a genuis, I thought.. But I have also become much dumber over the years.. and am relishing the retardation..

Quite a freeing experience I would say..

170 posted on 10/31/2006 8:11:35 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: Cicero; betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your reply and for giving us further insight into "you!"

But I was fortunate enough to have had a course at Harvard that let Plato and Aristotle speak for themselves, and another course that let the medieval philosophers speak for themselves.

Those sound just like the kind of courses that would interest me too, Cicero! Looking at the root of a philosophy, gives us a much clearer picture.

I'm very grateful to betty boop who has faithfully done just that for years on the forum, and of course very much so in the book.

171 posted on 10/31/2006 8:19:30 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

"In the end, science must confine itself to the elucidation of the physical. When it starts treading on metaphysical territory, it is illegitimately going beyond the scope of its mission, and trespassing on territory that its method is not designed to engage"


I'd like to second this comment BB. It's right on.


172 posted on 10/31/2006 8:26:33 AM PST by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: betty boop
Over the past several days, pointed claims have been raised by certain present and recently departed Freepers that FreeRepublic has adopted an “anti-science” animus and attitude in recent times.

As far as I know, FR is the only site with an ongoing dialogue on the "crevo" issues.

I learned a lot from both sides.

173 posted on 10/31/2006 8:27:21 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; Alamo-Girl
As far as I know, FR is the only site with an ongoing dialogue on the "crevo" issues.... I learned a lot from both sides.

Me, too, <1/1,000,000th%. If anything, the "crevo" debates have increased my appreciation of, and interest, in science issues, and I've learned so much from the correspondents on such threads, on both sides. So I was disturbed to learn that some eminent FRevos have decided to more or less boycott the crevo threads. This came as very sad news. We all lose when stuff like that happens. FWIW.

Thanks for writing!

174 posted on 10/31/2006 8:39:24 AM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thank you, dear Alamo-Girl!


175 posted on 10/31/2006 8:41:52 AM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: betty boop; cornelis; Cicero; Dimensio
Thank you all so very much for your outstanding posts! What a wonderful conversation!

Thank you so much cornelis for the insights to scientism! And thank you Cicero for the mention of Whitehead who, IIRC, coined the term "scientific materialism" which is akin to methodological naturalism on steriods. LOL!

bb: But it seems to me that you can pile up all the fossils you want to; but that wouldn't SHOW a transition of one species into an entirely different species. Such a transition would have to be observed before we can say that it really occurred -- at least if we are going to be as "epistemologically rigorous" as Niels Bohr says a scientist must be. Because something seems intuitive enough -- and granted, macroevolution seems "intuitive" -- is not enough to establish scientific rigor.

So very true. The theory of evolution itself is a continuum derived from the quantization (fossils) of another continuum (geologic record.) Until or unless the discrete case and the continuous case are collapsed by empirical evidence - it remains a "just so" story and cannot rise to the scientific rigor of physics or the confidence of math.

Then again, "just so" stories are normal for all historical sciences such as archeology, anthropology and Egyptology. Then again, such historical sciences are not epistemologically pure.

bb: What if all living species share a single, I almost want to say (but won't) universal common genome as the basic stuff of life? And that there is another, as yet undetected principle at work here (e.g., successful communication of information) that "customizes" the expression of the genome for each individual species? -- undetected because not looked for?

Indeed, on both points. The second appeals to information theory the elements of which [Shannon] are not necessarily altogether spatial, temporal or corporeal per se - although the workings and effects of successful communication can be, and are, measured in molecular biology.

IOW, IMHO the answers are well beyond the scope of "matter in all its motions" aka "microscope to telescope."

176 posted on 10/31/2006 8:43:05 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl

I don't post much, but I do often lurk and there is an observation I've made. It seems that the crevo debates often fall into two categories. There is that of evolution verses Young Earth Creation. In terms of evidence this one is debatable with science. However, there is the broader topic of "Is there a God who Created us?" This can encompass those who believe in YEC, as well as evolution theist and anyone in between. Science isn't equipped to answer this question. Therefore it cannot be used to exclude the possibility. I really enjoyed reading the replies on this thread especially as they pertain to the metaphysical. It has always seemed to me that science is a tool, but philosophy dictates the questions it is used to answer and how it is applied.


177 posted on 10/31/2006 9:25:14 AM PST by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: betty boop; Cicero; FreedomProtector; hosepipe
In the midst of all this philosophical heavy lifting (make no mistake, a necessary activity), it seems fitting to make some inquiries of a more mundane variety.

I suggest we make inquiries of Materialists such as Dawkins or Pinker to the effect: Are all men (ie Mankind) created equal? Are they, then, endowed with inalienable rights? Do governments derive their just power from the consent of the governed? If the response to these questions is ‘yes,’ then let us further inquire if that ‘yes’ is categorical or conditional. We must suspect that the response would be heavily conditional. So conditional, in fact, that it would be in effect not a ‘yes’ at all, but a resounding ‘NO!’

That being the case, then it was Calvin Coolidge who phrased best what the response ought to be:

“No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions [the inquiries I listed above]. If anyone wishes to deny their truth and soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction cannot lay claim to progress.” (Philadelphia, speech commemorating the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 5, 1926)

178 posted on 10/31/2006 9:34:22 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: Dimensio; cornelis
The direction in intellectual history since the Enlightenment has been to grant science the authority to pronounce what is real, true, objective, and rational, while relegating ethics and religion to the realm of subjective opinion and nonrational experience.

The author would have us believe that Science eschews ethics. Is that true? I don’t believe it but, then, what are the ethics of Science, what is its ethical rationale, and whence comes the values upon which the ethics of Science is based?

179 posted on 10/31/2006 9:42:51 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; betty boop
"I learned a lot from both sides."

I'll second that motion.

180 posted on 10/31/2006 9:57:25 AM PST by YHAOS
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