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CA: Republicans: What Went Wrong? (internal audit being conducted)
LA Times ^ | 11/21/06 | Robert Salladay

Posted on 11/21/2006 6:53:39 PM PST by NormsRevenge

The California Republican Party is conducting an internal audit over why its unprecedented $20 million get-out-the-vote effort didn't produce wins for their candidates on election day. Only Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and insurance commissioner Steve Poizner captured statewide offices for the GOP, which also failed to pick up any new seats in the Legislature. One Republican incumbent, Secretary of State Bruce McPherson, was unseated.

Some conservative Republicans are demanding answers from the party. State Board of Equalization member Bill Leonard, who was reelected to his regional seat by a large margin, already has asked for the audit of the statewide effort. He has heard "rumors" that the GOP telephoned voters using scripts written by Schwarzenegger's team that only mentioned Schwarzenegger, that there was "mischief" with literature distributed on door-hangers in neighborhoods, and that the Republican Party may have called non-Republicans to encourage them to vote.

"... what is needed is full disclosure by the CRP leadership, a detailed political audit of how this campaign was waged. The party members, donors and volunteers deserve to know the full truth and the actual numbers."

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Mike Spence, another Republican activist, said other problems emerged during the get-out-the-vote effort: the GOP sparsely canvassed precincts in eastern Los Angeles County and an outreach program to churches "died wandering in the desert." He also has called for an audit. Spence said the conservative ideology of some Republicans, such as lieutenant governor candidate Tom McClintock, can't account for their losses. If so, he said, why did a moderate like McPherson not benefit from the get-out-the-vote message that swept Schwarzenegger to victory in a landslide?

California GOP chairman Duf Sundheim said he thinks the $20 million effort proved effective, particularly in early voting by mail. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cagop; california; election; elections; republicans
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1 posted on 11/21/2006 6:53:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Gee...an "internal audit" probably to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out why the GOP lost little battles in the most liberal state in America.

How moronic. As for Ahhhnald...guy hardly doesn't even qualify as half a conservative and he had no real competition. "VHAT? I WIN CALEEFORNIA AND THEY DON'T?? LET'S THROW SOME MONEY AT WHY THEY DID NOT."

Geeeze...


2 posted on 11/21/2006 6:57:09 PM PST by spacecowboynj
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To: NormsRevenge
California GOP chairman Duf Sundheim said he thinks the $20 million effort proved effective, particularly in early voting by mail. ...

More proof that Duf is incompetent.

It was effective for getting ONLY Arnold elected... and getting Prop 90 defeated and the Bonds passed. Thanks for nuttin' Duf.

3 posted on 11/21/2006 6:58:09 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

The article also makes the point that previous articles made as well, conservatives didn't bother to turn out and now they wonder what happened.

It quotes numbers, in heavily Dem Alamed county the turnout was 61.2%, while in heavily Republican Orange and San Bernardino counties it was 43%. Huge difference.

The so-called conservatives, once again, defeated themselves, gave victory to the Democrats, by staying home, instead of getting out and voting.

It also mentions what we already know, that there are 42.5% Dems and only 34.3% Republican registered voters in CA -- the only way the Republicans can win, is if they have a significantly higher turnout, instead of a significantly lower one.

But the conservatives decided to stay at home and sulk, handing Congress and CA statewide offices to the Dems. That'll show the Republicans.


4 posted on 11/21/2006 7:03:10 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: NormsRevenge

Rigged, electronic votes ... across the board ... across the nation.


5 posted on 11/21/2006 7:03:51 PM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The California Republican Party is conducting an internal audit
over why its unprecedented $20 million get-out-the-vote effort
didn't produce wins for their candidates on election day


Here's a clue.
Many of the voters in CA are either friends, relatives or co-workers
of illegals.

The only Republican they'll vote for is one that at least
is very soft on illegal immigration.

But most of the time, they will prefer "the real deal" in terms
of a candidate that likes more-than-equal rights for illegals plus
a whole raft of liberal programs.
Hence, voting Republican won't even cross their minds.

And in CA, "illegal immigrant" doesn't automatically mean somebody
from Mexico or points south.
Occassionally you'll hear of a Canadian, an Irishman or a European
that's about to be deported due to illegal immigrant status.
6 posted on 11/21/2006 7:04:23 PM PST by VOA
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To: calcowgirl
Bill Leonard has heard "rumors" that:

1) the GOP telephoned voters using scripts written by Schwarzenegger's team that only mentioned Schwarzenegger,

2) there was "mischief" with literature distributed on door-hangers in neighborhoods,

3) the Republican Party may have called non-Republicans to encourage them to vote.

7 posted on 11/21/2006 7:06:42 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: FairOpinion

The money was spent ONLY for Arnold, I was told. Nothing went to other candidates. They gutted the GOTV precinct walking, at least in my area, and replaced it with a razz-matazz mutliple-phone-calls snazzy computer program that ANNOYED voters and no one would work the phone banks. And replaced the volunteers with paid young computer hot-shots. Other than that ....


8 posted on 11/21/2006 7:07:21 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

"The governor raised more money than any other candidate for GOTV and other party activities," he said. Sundheim estimated that "50 to 70 percent of the money we raised came from the governor."

http://www.capitolweekly.net/news/article.html?article_id=1090


9 posted on 11/21/2006 7:11:36 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
The article also makes the point that previous articles made as well, conservatives didn't bother to turn out and now they wonder what happened. The so-called conservatives, once again, defeated themselves, gave victory to the Democrats, by staying home, instead of getting out and voting. ... But the conservatives decided to stay at home and sulk, handing Congress and CA statewide offices to the Dems. That'll show the Republicans.

Really, FO? Where does it say that?

Turnout in some important Republican counties was lower than in Democratic areas. A look at the most recent statistics, for example, shows Democrat-heavy Alameda County had a 61.2% turnout among all voters, while only 49.7% showed up in Republican-leaning Orange County. San Bernardino County, which leans Republican as well, showed a 43% turnout.
It says Republican counties, and doesn't mention conservatives. You "moderates" never miss an opportunity to bash conservatives, do ya? Carry On!

By the way, what does it really mean? It says that the Arnie-managed GOTV efforts that Duf calls "effective" were pathetic when compared to the Democrats. Of course, Arnold courting the liberals in black churches with more socialist giveaways and touting big goverment borrowing for inner-city rail and farmworker housing did wonders to motivate Republicans to the polls, right? Arnold met his objectives: Get reelected, get all of the big-spending Bonds passed, and defeat Prop 90. What a guy!

10 posted on 11/21/2006 7:13:47 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: knarf
Rigged, electronic votes ... across the board ... across the nation.

I see this as the elephant in the room. Few, it seems, want to seriously discuss election fraud. On election night, and the day(s) following, I was continually amazed at how liberal democrat presincts ALWAYS reported late and miraculously made up the votes needed for narrow victories time after time.

I am not convinced that the ongoing democrat election strategy is to delay as long as necessary in close elections and provide the "necessary" votes in the 11th hour of reporting. This was obvious in the Florida 2000 Presidential election, and it's been repeated over and over; up to, and including, 2006.

11 posted on 11/21/2006 7:14:02 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier
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To: FairOpinion
But the conservatives decided to stay at home and sulk, handing Congress and CA statewide offices to the Dems. That'll show the Republicans.

Freepers say they'll stay home if Rudy wins. Heloo HILLARY!!!

12 posted on 11/21/2006 7:14:30 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / Giuliani 2008)
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To: FairOpinion
conservatives didn't bother to turn out and now they wonder what happened.

On the surface it would appear that the FairOpinion account has violated their own first rule.

1) Never, ever allow the discussion to degenerate to the point were facts are discussed. Just as you are master of the environment under the bridge, they are master of the facts.

But the account hasn't, since the quote contains no facts, only speculation conjured under the bridge

13 posted on 11/21/2006 7:15:02 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Amerigomag

Rumors is a nice word. There were several testimonials posted at Flash Report that said the same thing.


14 posted on 11/21/2006 7:15:32 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Amerigomag
But the account hasn't, since the quote contains no facts...

Not only did it include no facts, it wasn't a quote at all and totally mischaracterized what was written.

15 posted on 11/21/2006 7:19:46 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

From another article:

"Steve Poizner is the de facto nominee for governor in 2010 by virtue of being a moderate, his vast personal wealth and the fact that he is a statewide office holder."

http://www.capitolweekly.net/news/article.html?article_id=1090

Looks like you are slipping, you haven't started to bash Poizner yet, to help Villaraigosa become CA gov in 2010.


16 posted on 11/21/2006 7:20:18 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Charge: the GOP telephoned voters using scripts written by Schwarzenegger's team that only mentioned Schwarzenegger,

CaGOP response: The governor raised more money than any other candidate for GOTV and other party activities,

A modern day version of "They are my marbles and we'll play any game I say"

17 posted on 11/21/2006 7:21:04 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Just ask the GOP in NY, they already know the answer to this. They have been failing to win for a lot longer than the GOP in CA. CA became a socialist state much later than NY did and the GOP is in the exact same situation. In NY, they factionalized into a Republican Party and a Conservative Party - who often fight over who to vote for. And in the meantime, the Dems all line up together after the primary. Of course, the Dems benefit from a huge registration margin.

California is no longer a conservative state and a real conservative is no longer going to win statewide unless the office is a mystery to the public or the Dem candidate exposes himself prematurely as a totally corrupt fraud. Local candidates can be conservative and win if GOTV efforts are created to ID voters and get those voters out just we do in FL, OH or MO. But on a larger stage, we are far too outnumbers numerically, financially and mediawise to have another Reagan show up and save the state.

Reagan could not get elected in CA today, in 2004, in 2002 or in 2000. Its not going to happen again barring some total freak occurence (like the Dem candidate dies in Oct). Once we get over the idea that there is going to be some ideologically pure candidate for us to vote for for any of the statewide offices, the faster we start getting our sh@t together and developing platforms that we can get a majority opinion on in the GOP and in the state. When you have a state where a majority want 12 yr olds to have abortions without their parents knowledge, what do we really expect to get from the rest of the sheep out there?

18 posted on 11/21/2006 7:21:40 PM PST by bpjam (Don't Blame Me. I Voted GOP.)
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To: FairOpinion
From another article:

Anthony York was an assistant editor for Salon.

Care to hear some of his other conservative wisdom?

Don't be embarrassed. Speak up.

19 posted on 11/21/2006 7:27:02 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: FairOpinion
Looks like you are slipping, you haven't started to bash Poizner yet, to help Villaraigosa become CA gov in 2010.

The link and quote refutes nothing I posted, FO. Nice try.
Poizner didn't need the GOTV effort.
He spent 11 million on his own advertising to buy the office, outspending his unpopular rival, Cruz Bustamante, by 8 times!

Do you think Poizner is a good gubernatorial candidate for 2010?
The guy who wouldn't support Bush and donated to Al Gore?
That's quite telling, FO. Quite telling, indeed.

20 posted on 11/21/2006 7:27:50 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: BunnySlippers

Freepers say they'll stay home if Rudy wins. Heloo HILLARY!!!


The RINO's will oppose Hillary out of partisanship. They'll have a party with a lib Republican. You tell me who will do the most damage.


21 posted on 11/21/2006 7:31:00 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: bpjam
a real conservative is no longer going to win statewide unless the ... Dem candidate dies in Oct.

Funny you should mention that. It really happened.

In Oct 2006, Angelides dropped dead at the polls.

22 posted on 11/21/2006 7:32:32 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: The Citizen Soldier
I use every opportunity to zing this into whatever thread would be apropos and LO! Almost every time I am ignored.

But I am convinced we did not stay home, nor 'taught the Republicans a lesson' nor did we, so en masse .. kick the RINO's out.

No ... I truly think 'we wuz robbed' and no one seems to want to seriously entertain even the possability ... go figger.

23 posted on 11/21/2006 7:34:43 PM PST by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: Amerigomag

OC, San Diego, ann other republican strongholds did not show up.


24 posted on 11/21/2006 7:35:35 PM PST by Paul8148
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To: Amerigomag

As of today's count, Republican Senator McClintock received 15% more votes for Lt. Governor than Democrat Angelides got for Governor.

McClintock also received 12% more votes than the moderate incumbent Republican candidate for Sec of State, Bruce McPherson.


25 posted on 11/21/2006 7:36:03 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: freedomfiter2; FairOpinion
Freepers say they'll stay home if Rudy wins.

Another graduate of the FairOpinion University Under the Bridge ?

26 posted on 11/21/2006 7:36:05 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Paul8148; FairOpinion
republican strongholds did not show up.

The unfounded accusation by FairOpinion was about conservatives, not Republicans.

Reading always helps.

27 posted on 11/21/2006 7:38:45 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Paul8148
OC, San Diego, ann other republican strongholds did not show up.

Guess again.

County Name             Orange      San Diego

2002 Reg'd Voters      1,298,892      1,411,808
2006 Reg'd Voters      1,497,365      1,381,835
Change in Reg'd          198,473        -29,973


2002 Votes               641,784        683,062
2006 Votes               747,211        784,901
Change in Votes          105,427        101,839


2002 Turnout %            49.40%         48.30%
2006 Turnout %            49.90%         56.80%
Change in Turnout          0.50%          8.50%

28 posted on 11/21/2006 7:42:58 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: FairOpinion
But the conservatives decided to stay at home and sulk, handing Congress and CA statewide offices to the Dems. That'll show the Republicans.

I guess it did show republicans. You want to continue with a politically correct war? You want to bring up amnesty every day, you want to call Islam a religion of peace & illegals are only here for a job, you want your conservative president to only talk about securing the borders when forced to & then run around with Bubba giving him a stage with Daddy Bush calling this impeached POS his adopted son. Go ahead & see even fewer turn out to vote in this fraudulent, corrupt "Two-Party Cartel". As for Ahrnold, he has set the republican party back 20 yrs in this state & your vote for this other worthless tool just legitimized idiots like him running in the future.

29 posted on 11/21/2006 7:52:16 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: freedomfiter2

The hard core right ...


30 posted on 11/21/2006 7:57:47 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget / Giuliani 2008)
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To: calcowgirl

Correction to McPherson... not sure how that "1" got in there (should be 2%, not 12%)

• Republican Senator McClintock received 15% more votes for Lt. Governor than Democrat Angelides got for Governor.
• McClintock received 2% more votes than the moderate incumbent Republican candidate for Sec of State, Bruce McPherson.


31 posted on 11/21/2006 8:08:10 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
The light must really be dim under the bridge.

Misread the comment, argued the wrong point and misread the facts.

Do you suppose that a flashlight might be on their Christmas list?

32 posted on 11/21/2006 8:14:10 PM PST by Amerigomag (Don't blame me. I don't vote for liberals.)
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To: FairOpinion

Well said.


33 posted on 11/21/2006 8:15:36 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Amerigomag

Maybe. The moonbeam is certainly not adequate.


34 posted on 11/21/2006 8:28:35 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SunkenCiv; FairOpinion
Well said.

But misrepresented and factually incorrect.

Thanks for stoppin' by to visit us Californians. Come on back when you really care.

35 posted on 11/21/2006 8:30:10 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Poizner is also an abortionist. In his '02 election TV ads he stated he supports a woman's right to choose.

He won't get my vote in the primary.


36 posted on 11/21/2006 8:46:35 PM PST by glock_fan
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To: calcowgirl
Thanks for stoppin' by to visit us Californians. Come on back when you really care.
Thanks for framing your remarks within the context of states' rights.
37 posted on 11/21/2006 8:48:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: calcowgirl

It may well come down to Poizner vs. Villaraigosa.

It seems you preferred Angelides over Arnold and now prefer communist Villaraigosa over Poizner.


38 posted on 11/21/2006 9:05:22 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: Snapping Turtle

Click on the original report.


39 posted on 11/21/2006 9:11:20 PM PST by Rabid Dog
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To: FairOpinion
It seems you preferred Angelides over Arnold and now prefer communist Villaraigosa over Poizner.

Quit posting your lies, FO. I never preferred Angelides.

I do, however, prefer someone who at least embraces the Republican platform and will work toward conservatism, not someone who tears apart the entire Republican party, undermines republican candidates and promotes a liberal agenda.

There are 4 years to plan--we can do better than recruiting a wimpy liberal like Poizner.

40 posted on 11/21/2006 9:16:48 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Amerigomag

Hey, here in Texas, I got a call from Bill Clinton! Automated of course, but they had pulled all the stops out--in Texas. The main problem? NO LEADERSHIP, no gonads, pure wusses in the GOP, time after time gave ground, never fought for a damned thing that I can remember, not one issue.

They had lots of opportunities to go after some real criminal activity on the Dems side but nope, too cowardly. And now they've sold our troops down the sewer and my son is to be deployed back to Iraq after the first of the year for the second time, I'm telling you, someone will feel my wrath, this country does not deserve these servicemen and women. The GOP wonks needs to be run out of the country and rebuilt from the ground up.


41 posted on 11/21/2006 9:18:54 PM PST by brushcop (Men of B-Co 2/69 3ID, do you now feel betrayed after all your efforts & sacrifices in Iraq?)
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To: FairOpinion
The so-called conservatives, once again, defeated themselves, gave victory to the Democrats,

So called ? Ha ha Rinold is to the left of Hitlery Clinton and she's no moderate. Tired of your stupid comments.
42 posted on 11/21/2006 9:22:41 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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To: NormsRevenge
The stupidity is astonishing.

Why would true "Republicans" (read: "conservatives") bother to come out and vote, especially when the "Republican" at the top of the ticket is a Democrat? Add to that conservatives' mentality of "hunker-down-and-just-try-to-survive-in-this-looney-state", together with the surrender-monkey "moderate" (read: "liberal") state Republican party leadership and the answer is pretty stinking obvious. It all boils down to hopelessness.

They need an audit for this??

43 posted on 11/21/2006 9:23:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: bboop
I got so many phone calls (actually, I got one today asking for my contribution, that it finally backfired on them. I just don't feel like giving the CaGop a cent!
44 posted on 11/21/2006 9:24:39 PM PST by republican4ever (Israel's fate determines the fate of the world, whether we believe and like it or not.)
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To: NormsRevenge
which also failed to pick up any new seats in the Legislature

California's legislative districts are extremely gerrymandered--Democrats dominate the legislature because the Republicans are concentrated in relatively few districts, and those are the seats that Democrats couldn't win if the Republican was a transgendered Nazi serial killer. If you're not of the correct party, you have no chance of winning the election. The interesting fights are primaries for open seats.

45 posted on 11/21/2006 9:27:19 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: FairOpinion
Steve Poizner is the de facto nominee for governor in 2010 by virtue of being a moderate

Dead in the water.

46 posted on 11/21/2006 9:29:46 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: calcowgirl
It says Republican counties, and doesn't mention conservatives.

Orange County and San Bernadino County are Republican counties. They are also conservative counties. Quit trying to pretend that conservatives showed up in record numbers; they didn't. Turnout was pretty light in my (extremely conservative) district.

47 posted on 11/21/2006 9:29:52 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: bpjam
or the Dem candidate exposes himself prematurely as a totally corrupt fraud

Sorry, no sale. That stuff has never bothered Democrat voters.
They simply don't care who hands them "free stuff".

48 posted on 11/21/2006 9:32:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Yeah... they need an audit. Not only were Republicans demoralized for many reasons, but it looks like the $20 million GOTV effort actually went to mobilize liberals. Since the Governor was bound and determined to get his $43 Billion big-borrowing-Bonanza passed, and to defeat the eminent domain measure, you can be sure they weren't "microtargeting" conservative homeowners. Here is the full blog post from Bill Leonard:
***Call for Full Discloure***
By: Bill Leonard on: Monday, November 20th, 2006

A state Democrat blog last week had this headline: “CDP Field Operation Defeats $20 Million GOP Elephant.” Indeed, as the above results show, statewide Republican candidates did not fare well. Yet the CRP and the Governor had touted this year’s Victory ’06 effort as the end-all, be-all of voter identification and activation. I had been excited about it. I saw what microtargeting accomplished for the President in Ohio two years ago and was eager to replicate that success in California. That excitement faded as results were tallied.

Accusations have been flying that the CRP’s Victory ’06 was actually Arnold ’06, Period. I have heard that the CRP’s phone banks used scripts written by and for the Governor, leaving the rest of the ticket unmentioned. There are rumors that there was mischief with CRP door-hangars because the Governor and the party disagreed over ballot measures. There is concern that the Victory ’06 GOTV effort focused on voters who may not even have been Republicans. At this point, such accusations remain just that: undocumented statements with a tinge of bitterness following a brutal defeat of most of the party ticket. Therefore, what is needed is full disclosure by the CRP leadership, a detailed political audit of how this campaign was waged. The party members, donors and volunteers deserve to know the full truth and the actual numbers. Specifically, how did the CRP spend $20 million? How many voters were contacted, by whom, where were they, and what message was delivered to them? Can we identify why some of our biggest GOP counties appear to have had a much lower GOP turnout than usual? Did the party organizations there rely on Victory ’06 to turn-out the base instead of their usual, grassroots effort? This Dem blog said the CDP “contacted 521,622 voters and personally visited 424,354 homes to seek their support of the Democratic Ticket.” What are the CRP’s numbers, and can we honestly say that contact from the CRP included support for the Republican ticket?


49 posted on 11/21/2006 9:32:16 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Turnout was pretty light in my (extremely conservative) district.

Maybe if the GOP runs a real conservative they will come out to vote.
50 posted on 11/21/2006 9:33:54 PM PST by John Lenin (The most dangerous place for a child in America is indeed in its mother's womb)
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