Please remember these 17-yo Americans who died Nov, Dec 1950, under Truman, to free S. Korea.

[syriacus]

115 youths in all. All younger than 18.

No one demanded that WMDs needed to be found in 1950 Korea, in order to justify freeing South Koreans from potential domination by Kim Jong-Il's father, Kim Il-sung..

Name -- State -- Date of death

Donald R Abel -- Pennsylvania   4 Nov 1950
James V Ashbaugh -- Ohio   6 Dec 1950
Donald L Bakie -- Maryland   2 Nov 1950
Ronald R Barker -- Virginia   2 Dec 1950
Robert A Jr Best Jr --Wisconsin   2 Dec 1950
Curtis L Bowman -- Virginia   24 Dec 1950
Donald W Boyd -- Pennsylvania   28 Nov 1950
Kenneth L Bridger -- Washington   30 Nov 1950
Buddy B Burris -- California   4 Dec 1950
John M Carnes -- Ohio   12 Dec 1950
Melvin H Chantre -- Massachusetts   2 Nov 1950
John B Christiana -- Pennsylvania   30 Nov 1950
Freddie E Church -- Ohio   1 Nov 1950
Arthur A Clifton -- New Mexico   11 Dec 1950
William Colletti -- Maryland   2 Dec 1950
Clifton W Conley -- Pennsylvania   4 Dec 1950
Henry D Connell -- Massachusetts   2 Nov 1950
Howard D Cook -- Kentucky   6 Nov 1950
John E Cook -- New York   29 Nov 1950
Patrick H Creagan -- Iowa   3 Dec 1950
Arthur E Crim -- Ohio   28 Nov 1950
Harold E Dale -- Michigan   13 Dec 1950
Edward H Davis -- Mississippi   2 Dec 1950
Amos Jr Douglas -- Ohio   28 Nov 1950
Richard D Espinoza -- Illinois   29 Nov 1950
Gene E Evans -- California   12 Dec 1950
William F Evans -- New Jersey   3 Dec 1950
Gerald A Farris -- California   2 Dec 1950
Eric N Jr Flackman -- California   11 Dec 1950
Irvin E Focht -- Ohio   12 Dec 1950
James L Franklin -- Virginia 6 Nov 1950
Royce C Gibson -- Kentucky   27 Nov 1950
J W Gilland -- Alabama   3 Nov 1950
Larry O Greenfield -- Iowa   14 Dec 1950
Raymond Gunderson -- Wisconsin   10 Nov 1950
Lewis S Harsher -- West Virginia   2 Dec 1950
Clarence G Hartley -- Washington   30 Nov 1950
Paul E Heald -- Florida   3 Dec 1950
Glenwood C Helman -- Pennsylvania   30 Nov 1950
Jerold C Hoffman -- Pennsylvania   15 Nov 1950
Charles L Hogan -- Texas   2 Dec 1950
Theodore H Hopke -- New York   2 Nov 1950
William C Hunt -- Kentucky   26 Nov 1950
Jack W Hutchison -- Michigan   30 Nov 1950
Harold S Jackson -- Ohio   13 Nov 1950
Herbert Jackson -- Pennsylvania   11 Nov 1950
Joseph B Joe -- Louisiana   1 Dec 1950
Eldride Johnson -- Louisiana   27 Nov 1950
John B Johnson -- North Carolina   15 Dec 1950
Wesley Johnson -- Alabama   2 Nov 1950
Robert N Jones -- California   26 Nov 1950
John J Keglovitz -- Pennsylvania   15 Dec 1950
Donald E Kelly -- California   3 Dec 1950
George E Kessler -- Virginia   28 Nov 1950
Martin A King -- Pennsylvania   2 Nov 1950
George H Lawall -- Pennsylvania   15 Dec 1950
Ray K Lilly -- West Virginia   2 Nov 1950
Kenneth W Lippert -- Ohio   2 Nov 1950
Richard A Lucas -- New Jersey   26 Nov 1950
Marshall F Lyons -- Michigan   11 Nov 1950
Donald V MacLean -- Ohio   2 Dec 1950
Henry E Jr Matton -- Wisconsin   11 Nov 1950
Donald McClellan -- Michigan   11 Dec 1950
Richard McKinney -- California   2 Dec 1950
Gerald W McLean -- Kentucky   30 Nov 1950
John D Meikle -- Virginia   15 Dec 1950
Norman E Moore -- Massachusetts   28 Nov 1950
Roland B Mullen -- Pennsylvania   21 Dec 1950
George R Jr Nedley -- Pennsylvania   29 Nov 1950
Henry R Oneal -- California   28 Nov 1950
Dick E Osborne -- Pennsylvania   2 Nov 1950
Edison F Owens -- Illinois   28 Nov 1950
Michael H Paczocha -- Wisconsin   28 Nov 1950
James R Palmer -- Ohio   2 Nov 1950
Thomas L Parker -- Georgia   27 Nov 1950
Philip O Peterson -- Minnesota   2 Dec 1950
George Jr Petty -- Pennsylvania   27 Nov 1950
Walter Pierce -- Pennsylvania   2 Nov 1950
Roger W Pleshek -- Michigan   30 Nov 1950
Alton R Register -- North Carolina   2 Dec 1950
James A Riddle -- Michigan   2 Dec 1950
Kenneth M Rinkes -- Ohio   3 Dec 1950
Joseph A Roberts -- Massachusetts   2 Nov 1950
Joseph C Robinson -- Pennsylvania   28 Nov 1950
Herman Rose -- North Carolina   3 Dec 1950
Paul E Rose -- Pennsylvania   3 Dec 1950
Joseph Serback -- West Virginia   27 Nov 1950
Anthony R Sidoti -- Connecticut   2 Nov 1950
Marvin M Sihrer -- South Dakota   27 Nov 1950
Donald M Smith -- Kentucky   28 Nov 1950
Donald R Smith -- Ohio   2 Dec 1950
William Sneed -- Michigan   3 Dec 1950
Walter A Snyder -- Ohio   6 Dec 1950
Louis Jr Sonnier -- Louisiana   28 Nov 1950
Elmo M Spiller -- Washington   2 Nov 1950
John O Strom -- Minnesota   2 Nov 1950
John L Sullivan -- Tennessee   29 Nov 1950
Earl W Taylor -- Missouri   28 Nov 1950
James W Teague -- North Carolina   28 Nov 1950
Billy E Tennison -- Texas   1 Dec 1950
Ernest L Jr Thorpe -- Pennsylvania   15 Dec 1950
Barney A Tolbert -- Alabama   2 Dec 1950
Alfredo T Trevino -- Texas   2 Dec 1950
Darold D Urbanski -- Wyoming   1 Dec 1950
Richa Van Newhouse -- Ohio   6 Dec 1950
Rex E Wagner -- Ohio   2 Nov 1950
Lawrence R Walker -- California   30 Nov 1950
Donald E Wallace -- Tennessee   28 Nov 1950
George W Walters -- Maryland   2 Nov 1950
Kenneth E Walters -- Oklahoma   6 Dec 1950
Calvin Benjamin Ward -- Maryland   3 Dec 1950
Willie Jr Watts -- South Carolina   27 Nov 1950
Berl D Weekley -- Florida   28 Nov 1950
David G Wheat -- Louisiana   11 Nov 1950
Richard W Young -- Pennsylvania   26 Nov 1950

[syriacus]

I did a search on those born in 1933. There may have been more who were 17, if they died before their 18th birthday in 1950. (e.g., someone born December 20, 1932, might have died at age 17 in November 1950).

Also, it's possible that some 16 year-olds are among those who died in 1950.

[Chi-townChief]

I believe we still have 800 or so buried up in North Korea, killed when the Chinese unilaterally, illegally, pre-emptively, immorally, and unjustly entered the war.

[syriacus]

I doubt that any "surge" into Iraq would include many 17 year olds.

[syriacus]

Did anyone object to Truman's 1950 "police action" against "bandits" on the grounds that 0 Koreans flew planes into prominent US buildings?

[KarlInOhio]

Truman was a Democrat, therefore the Korean War was a "good" war.

[fieldmarshaldj]

May they rest in peace.

[bannie]

Anyone who has an honest or moderately intelligent bone in his/her body knows that saddum had WMD's.

That "we" somehow allow this spin to continue is nuts. At each mention of this stupid spin, honest people need to stop the conversation and ask the person of he/she REEEEALLY believes that there were no WMD's. Press them. Interrupt the flow of the spin.

So much of the arguments against Bush and the war are BASED on this stupid fallacy that, without it, the arguments would be obvious jokes..

[syriacus]

May they rest in peace.

Yes. And may we all remember to be grateful to these young men, who (most likely) have no descendants.

If they were still alive, they could be 73 year-old grandparents or great-grandparents.

[syriacus]

Anyone who has an honest or moderately intelligent bone in his/her body knows that saddum had WMD's.

Dictators have a powerful craving for powerful weaponry.

If someone would have hanged Kim il-sung soon after he invaded South Korea in 1950, his son would most likely not be threatening to develop nuclear weapons in the 21st Century.

[D-Chivas]

Truman was a Democrat, therefore the Korean War was a "good" war.

And I might add that the Korean War was "UN-approved"

[syriacus]

Isn't it funny.....

* Kennedy didn't need to find WMDs to justify going into Vietnam
* Clinton didn't need to find WMDs in the former Yugoslavia and
* Truman didn't need to find WMDs in Korea.

[KarlInOhio]

That was only because the "wrong" China was recognized by the UN so the Soviet Union was having a hissy fit and boycotted to vote. If it had been business as usual, the USSR would have vetoed UN action so the US, South Korea and a few allies would have had to fight without the UN's blessing.

[syriacus]

Truman was a Democrat, therefore the Korean War was a "good" war.

Exactly.
Since Truman was a Democrat, it's okay that almost 34000 Americans died for Korean freedom.
Since Bush is a Republican, it's not okay for 3,000 Americans to die for Iraqi freedom.

More Americans died in Korea in one month* than have died in all the years we have been in Iraq.

*3475 Americans died fighting for Korean freedom in November, 1950
3345 Americans died fighting for Korean freedom in September, 1950

[tatsinfla]

lets remember all that died in all wars to continue providing us our freedom. i lost an 18 year old uncle who fought the inchon invasion as well as the chosin and survived only to die shortly after in korea from spinal meningitis.

[Alberta's Child]

It's also no coincidence that the U.S. either lost those wars, or has committed itself to a perpetual military presence in those places.

[HEY4QDEMS]

[syriacus]

And I might add that the Korean War was "UN-approved"

Truman was lucky. Russia was boycotting the security council.

here's a chrononology

June 24, 1950 - (U.S. time = Saturday, June 24) (Korea time= Sunday, June 25) at 4 am NK invaded SK with 90,000 troops equipped with Soviet weapons and Soviet T-34 tanks, quickly overran SK defenses, captured Uijongbu highway center 20 mi. north of Seoul in 2 days, captured Seoul by June 28 as ROK fled south blowing up Han River bridges, killing refugees, trapping 44,000 own men north of river

June 25, 1950 - Sunday, Truman returned to Blair House from Independence, MO, and met with NSC - ordered U.S. Navy and AF into SK to stop invasion (but not Army ground troops)

June 26, 1950 - Monday, Truman asked and received support from UN - Russia was absent because boycotting Security Council until seat given to Communist China

June 27, 1950 - Tuesday, 2nd UN meeting approved use of ground troops; Truman ordered the 7th Fleet to the Taiwan Strait to protect Formosa. -

Ironically, within 6 months, the Europeans were complaining that Truman was paying too much attention to Asia. They wanted the US to be available for their defense. MacArthur later pointed out that the US needed to fight the communists in Korea or the fight against Communism would take place in the streets of Europe.

[Panzerfaust]

In the interest of balance, you did pick two of the worst months in the Korean War (I believe your choices covered the Inchon landings/first re-capture of Seoul and the Chinese offensive)

[syriacus]

I love it!!

[syriacus]

n the interest of balance, you did pick two of the worst months in the Korean War (I believe your choices covered the Inchon landings/first re-capture of Seoul and the Chinese offensive)

I'm not sure what your point is.