Posted on 01/02/2007 9:05:40 AM PST by syriacus
Let me add, your analogy is basically sound. Korea was a civil war, fueled by outside money/forces, just like Iraq. Unlike Vietnam, at least the politicians stayed the course in Korea and were able to save the South.
18 is the new 17.
Then again, you are preaching to the choir, as anybody with a modicum of military history background knows that the Iraq war has had miraculously few casulaties relative to past conflicts. The folks against the war in Iraq have never heard of places like Unsan or the Chongchon river valley.
My lazy self asks...does anyone have a link to a list of the things that we've found which are proof of WMD's?
Whichever month Democrats choose, Democrats can't get around the fact that more men died in one month of Truman's War than in all the months of Bush's War.
If 3,000 deaths is some "magic cutoff point" for support for a war, Truman should have withdrawn his troops within a couple of months of sending them there.
It's 'telling" that the news services didn't detail the thousands of deaths in Korea, or the mass evacuations of troops and citizens. (I'm not sure...I'm just learning about the Korean War....did I read that a million Korean civilians died?)
Did NBC read the names, over the air, of all 781 Americans who died on November 30, 1950?
How about the 621 Americans who died on November 28, 1950
No?
Maybe that's because the numbers are truly overwhelming, even when pictures aren't attached to the names!
Try to imagine a photograph (using a zoom lens of course) of 781 flag-draped coffins!!
At any rate, I'll be glad to reword my statistics.
Not really.
Not many people know much about Korea, just as few Americans know about D-Day at Salerno. History books ignore the large numbers of deaths in places where we freed people and focus on deaths in places like Vietnam, where we gave up before freeing people.
I was a history major, and the number of deaths in Korea came as a big surprise to me
My Ueberliberal sister was quite astounded when I told her that 10 times as many troops died in Korea as in Iraq.
The word is spreading....
Well, that would eliminate 99.99% of the Democrats, the MSM, and the "International Community".
Yes. By all means, let us all wallow in the past.
LOL.
You're asking for the impossible.
Too few Americans know about the gallons of blood shed for the freedom of Koreans.
Korea, 1950 - 53. The Forgotten War
The United Nations sent thousands of men and women from all of the armed services to the Korean peninsula to fight in what has since become known as Britain’s forgotten warThose brave men and in some cases women fought against Communist North Korean and Chinese troops in what was one of the bloodiest wars ever fought. And yet little is known about the role played by British troops in that conflict.
Saddam did have WMD.
The media ignored it.
Take a look at the Duelfer Report.
Six projects were never declared to UN inspectors.
*Iraqi Intelligence Service had clandestine laboratories and safe houses that contained equipment to make CB weapons. The Regime's intent: to assassinate political rivals.
*Documents and equipment buried in Iraqi scientists' homes to enrich uranium.
*Line of unmanned aerial vehicles with ranges of 500 kilometer. Only 150 Kilometers is allowed by the UNRES.
*Concealed from UN inspectors advanced design work for long-range ballistic and cruise missles with ranges over the 150 Kilometers limit.
*Clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology. IIS tried to purchase 1,300-kilometer range ballistic missiles and 300-kilometer range anti-ship cruise missiles. Including other hardware prohibted by the UN.
*On June 23, 2004, the United States airlifted approximately two tons of low-enriched uranium and 1,000 sources of radioactivity from a repository at Tuwaitha, south of Baghdad, to an undisclosed location in the United States. Nearly 400 tons of natural uranium remains in Iraq.
http://www.iraqwatch.org/update/archive-12-19-06-excerpts.htm
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iraq/Nuclear/2121_4595.html
Thank you for providing the great rundown, Milligan.
Many Koreans are grateful, too [see the emails from Koreans and Korean-Americans which begin slighly above the middle of the page].
Have you visited the Korean War Project?
Interesting....
And isn't it even funnier that not one of those was justified?
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....--John Quincy Adams
I was a pacifist for almost 30 years, so I think I can look at wars fairly objectively.
It has nothing to do with pacifism but rather the role the Framers intended for this union of states. WWII was necessary. But if only to fix Wilson's mistakes. Unfortunately once you start down that road every 'fix' creates yet another mistake.
I agree. When we fix one world problem, another one results. We will never have peace the way things are now.
The question becomes...how much do you undertake to do to save people who are in trouble right now? How much do you undertake to do to deter folks who you realize want to harm you?
None. Not any of our business (from a government standpoint). However if a private individual wishes to donate to or serve in a separate movement that is working to alleviate that situation that's their business. But government intervention? Not a chance.
How much do you undertake to do to deter folks who you realize want to harm you?
Again, none. Just war only applies in defense, or in some cases retaliation against harm already done to you. Pre-emptive attacks are nonsensical and in some cases, unfortunately after the fact, it is determined there was little to no actual threat.
If there are only two things the 20th century should have taught, it is those. Unfortunately we will not learn. From Iraq, with the Democrats now in control, it will become a national interest to somehow become involved in Darfur. After that who knows where the rambling wreck of democracy will be off to? But more than likely over time (long term) it will prove to be yet another failure. This is not an anti-American sentiment. It is based solely on history and the failed importation of ideas into other cultures by force.
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