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Chinese missile destroys satellite in space
The Telegraph ^ | 1/19/06 | Richard Spencer

Posted on 01/19/2007 6:05:32 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0

Britain has joined the US, Japan and Australia's condemnation of China after the communist country destroyed a satellite in space using a ballistic missile.

The British embassy in Beijing said it had raised the test, the first of its kind for 20 years, with the Chinese foreign ministry noting that the Government believed it was “inconsistent” with China’s opposition to the development of space weapons.

A spokesman refused to elaborate on the form the protest took or on the Chinese government’s response.

Later, a Downing Street spokesman said: "We are concerned about the impact of debris in space and we expressed that concern.

"We don't believe that this does contravene international law

"What we are concerned about however is lack of consultation and we believe that this development of this technology and the manner in which this test was conducted is inconsistent with the spirit of China's statements to the UN and other bodies on the military use of space."

The Chinese authorities have not confirmed a US report that it blew up one of its own aged weather satellites last Thursday with a ballistic missile fired from the Xichang space centre in Sichuan province.

There is stony silence on the subject in the Chinese media today as concern grows in the US and in the region about the prospect of an arms race in space.

If the test is confirmed, China will become the third country after the United States and the former Soviet Union to shoot down an object in space, indicating the Asian power could target satellites operated by other nations.

The United States, Japan, Australia and a host of other countries voiced concern on Friday .

Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yasuhisa Shiozaki, said his government had asked China for confirmation, and for an explanation of what its intentions were.

“We are concerned about it firstly from the point of view of peaceful use of space, and secondly from the safety perspective,” Mr Shiozaki said.

Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the American National Security Council, said the US “believes China’s development and testing of such weapons is inconsistent with the spirit of co-operation that both countries aspire to in the civil space area”.

Alexander Downer, Australia's foreign minister, said his country did not want to see “some sort of spread, if you like, of an arms race into outer space”.

Taro Aso, the Japanese foreign minister, said the Chinese had sought to reassure Japan its intentions in space were of no threat to anyone.

“China consistently uses space only for peaceful purposes,” Mr Aso quoted the Chinese foreign ministry as saying.

The comments fit with the ruling Communist Party’s mantra in recent years that the nation’s rise as a world superpower should not be feared.

China joined the exclusive club of top space nations in 2003 when it sent up its first manned mission, joining the United States and Russia.

China spends 500 million dollars a year on its space programmes, according to official figures, while NASA’s proposed budget for 2007 is nearly 17 billion dollars.

But the United States has consistently deflected Chinese advances for closer cooperation on the two nations’ space programmes because of concerns about the involvement of China’s military.

A Chinese government defence paper released last month said that its defence expenditure had grown by more than 15 percent every year since 1990.


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1 posted on 01/19/2007 6:05:33 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Whew, I thought the missle was destroyed in space.


2 posted on 01/19/2007 6:07:41 AM PST by brivette
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To: brivette

Rut-roh.


3 posted on 01/19/2007 6:08:35 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Too bad they hit the spa, but at least they didn't hit the pool room.

(tip o' the hat to Moe Howard)

4 posted on 01/19/2007 6:08:55 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: brivette
Chinese missile destroys satellite in spa

Now THAT'S accurate!
5 posted on 01/19/2007 6:09:31 AM PST by Edgar3 (DU are the first 2 letters of DUH)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
We don't believe that this does contravene international law

And JUST WHEN do you think the Red Chinese Communists give a tinkers damned about international law. That has NEVER stopped a communist before!!! International law?????? What a freaking joke. Like the Red Chinese give a $*&#!!!!

6 posted on 01/19/2007 6:10:28 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Marxis-Dimocrats stand for everything I hate and wish to see destroyed, including them!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Will America's "Star Wars" missile defense program need satellites for it to work?

Call me cynical but I believe the Chinese knew exactly what they were doing and have just sent a message to the U.S.


7 posted on 01/19/2007 6:11:03 AM PST by uptoolate (If it sounds absurd, 51% chance it was sarcasm.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Chinese missile destroys satellite in spa

There's cocoa butter and mineral oil scattered all over the place now...

8 posted on 01/19/2007 6:11:57 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Gee, I wonder where the Chinese got the advanced guidance systems to launch a missile like this?

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

9 posted on 01/19/2007 6:12:17 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

HEY,did they use the missle technology Bill Clinton gave to them to shoot it down ? Just wondering !!!


10 posted on 01/19/2007 6:14:58 AM PST by Obie Wan
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Chinese missile destroys satellite in spa

Reputable establishments have rules against this.

11 posted on 01/19/2007 6:16:13 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: uptoolate
>>>Call me cynical but I believe the Chinese knew exactly what they were doing and have just sent a message to the U.S.

Especially since Russia released a statement early this morning stating this was a hoax.

12 posted on 01/19/2007 6:17:10 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Here is the statement I referenced:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1770029/posts
Russia - Reports that China missile hits satellite are rumors - Ivanov


13 posted on 01/19/2007 6:19:33 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Ah. Very interesting.


14 posted on 01/19/2007 6:20:09 AM PST by uptoolate (If it sounds absurd, 51% chance it was sarcasm.)
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To: HAL9000; PureSolace; kinoxi; Thrownatbirth; Jedi Master Pikachu; HarmlessLovableFuzzball; ...

Britain has joined the US, Japan and Australia's condemnation of China after the communist country destroyed a satellite in space using a ballistic missile.

ping


15 posted on 01/19/2007 6:22:49 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: uptoolate

EVERYTHING we use depends on satellites... all our new GPS-guided munitions, some of the Star Wars stuff, most of our current navigational and communications equipment... everything.

The Chinese don't give a damn what a bunch of hand-wringing politicians have to say, and they don't care wheteher they sent us a message or not. What they care about is developing weapons systems that work when they need something destroyed... rather than sending a message of compassion and dialogue.


16 posted on 01/19/2007 6:33:27 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: LonePalm

Looks like they got what they paid for.


17 posted on 01/19/2007 6:34:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: snowrip

But...but....China is our friend....aren't they?


18 posted on 01/19/2007 6:35:11 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Calpernia

The Russians are only a tiny bit less anti-America than the Chinese. They have joint military excercises and non-aggression pacts, and the Russians sell the Chinese weapons and weapons technology. I think we would do well to consider the fact that it may someday be to Russia's benefit if we underestimate Chinese military capabilities.

The Chinese are the only military in the world with a fully active anti-satellite weapons program.


19 posted on 01/19/2007 6:38:22 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

hopefullly they didn't interrupt someone's massage or body scrub, that would be truly unfortunate!


20 posted on 01/19/2007 6:39:22 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
What and who.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

21 posted on 01/19/2007 6:40:01 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: uptoolate

I was waiting for someone to take this seriously on this thread.

If China can take out our satelites they can distroy our GPS sytems, our air defense and our cell phone capability.

This, IMO, is a big thing.


22 posted on 01/19/2007 6:41:43 AM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Was this recently? Didn't some areas of the US observe and film a satellite "breaking up" through the atmosphere a week or two ago? Related?


23 posted on 01/19/2007 6:46:09 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

"Chinese missile destroys satellite in spa"

General Dong must have been very jealous of a cheating girlfriend.


24 posted on 01/19/2007 6:48:18 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: uptoolate

Does our Star wars system intercept the missles before they reach where our satellites are orbiting? If so, then our system is ok. If the system only hits missles upon re-entry, then we are in trouble. Also, will our system be able to hit cruise missles that can alter course and hug the terrain?



25 posted on 01/19/2007 6:49:46 AM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Wow! That spa looks just like space!

If it's on my back deck, is it "outer spa"? Just how big of a satellite can fit in a spa anyway?

26 posted on 01/19/2007 6:52:43 AM PST by TChris (The Democratic Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Thank you Bill Clinton for providing missile and guidance technologies to the Red Chinese in exchange for campaign contributions. /sarc
27 posted on 01/19/2007 6:53:44 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (America For Americans)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Someday, the entire story of the Clinton corruption will be published, probably with an advance piece in the Atlantic.


28 posted on 01/19/2007 7:00:11 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I don't think the PRC signed a treaty not to use space for warfare. It is tough for the US to test an ASAT weapon successsfully and then agree to not use space for warfare. In the eyes of the rest of the world we look like hypocrites to complain. IMHO this is a nonissue pertaining to international law, however it is important that we now know that China is capable of anti satellite (ASAT) warfare and we need to adjust our warfighting doctrine accordingly.


29 posted on 01/19/2007 7:00:26 AM PST by Fee
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To: The Sons of Liberty; Eric in the Ozarks
So people remember.
30 posted on 01/19/2007 7:06:38 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
The facial expression tell the story -- he was working for them.

31 posted on 01/19/2007 7:09:27 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Hatteras

That was the re-entry of a Russian booster rocket that had launched a french satellite.


32 posted on 01/19/2007 7:13:57 AM PST by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: Calpernia

We live in scary times.


33 posted on 01/19/2007 7:16:52 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: TChris

> Just how big of a satellite can fit in a spa anyway? <

Easy: Small sat, big spa.


34 posted on 01/19/2007 7:19:00 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

....meanwhile, back in the United States, the democrats continue to oppose the war on terror and call President Bush incompetent.....


35 posted on 01/19/2007 7:32:37 AM PST by auto power
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

This is an utterly stupid policy. Blowing up the satellite will create more space debris which could damage other satellites and future space shuttle missions. These old satellites are better off left intact and allowed to plunge back to earth where they will be consumed in the atmosphere. I am surprised that such a stupid act was committed.Someone call Al Gore Immediately


36 posted on 01/19/2007 7:32:41 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
destroys satellite in spa

That's good. Satellites don't belong in spas.

37 posted on 01/19/2007 7:37:01 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

This is a big deal to our Missle Defense forces.


38 posted on 01/19/2007 7:41:49 AM PST by jch10
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To: Jeff Head

ping


39 posted on 01/19/2007 8:00:34 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: Courdeleon02
"Blowing up the satellite will create more space debris which could damage other satellites and future space shuttle missions."

The Chinese are not trying to clear out old satellites just as Iran is not developing nuclear capabilities as an alternate energy source. They are testing a missile system and sending a message to the U.S., Japan and anybody else that is listening. They blew up their own old satellite because to blow up anybody else's old satellite at this point in time would not be good for international relations.

40 posted on 01/19/2007 8:05:48 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
Chinese missile destroys satellite in spa

It happened right here:


41 posted on 01/19/2007 8:09:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (You are not your mind. You are not your emotions. You are not your pain. All you are is love.)
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To: Lazamataz
"Chinese missile destroys satellite in spa"

So that's what the kids are calling it these days.

42 posted on 01/19/2007 8:11:09 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Lazamataz

re: "it happened right here" with pic.

Damn, now I know why my $4.95 per month live cam view went out. The Chinese government owes me a refund.


43 posted on 01/19/2007 10:53:33 AM PST by wildbill
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To: snowrip
The Chinese are the only military in the world with a fully active anti-satellite weapons program.

Did the Russians drop theirs? We dropped ours?

This report says that it was a ballistic intercept...does anyone know how much evasive capability we've considered or how big the step is from ballistic to tracked?

44 posted on 01/20/2007 1:18:27 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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45 posted on 01/31/2007 4:38:40 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

Hello, thanks much for the ping!


46 posted on 01/31/2007 4:40:41 PM PST by Soaring Feather (I Soar, cause I can....)
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To: fanfan
How's your traveling going?

I'm home now. Got home at 1 AM this morning. Swamped with work from the committee meetings (things were so busy I rarely got on this Internet), but it'll clear out in a few days.

How've things been with you all?

47 posted on 01/31/2007 4:42:14 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

The Chinese destroyed a missile in a spa?

What's the matter with those people?

Don't they know that spas are supposed to be tranquil?

How am I supposed to enjoy my pedicure with missiles being blown up all around me?


48 posted on 01/31/2007 4:42:31 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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Hey, Gang! We're over here!


49 posted on 01/31/2007 4:44:05 PM PST by Monkey Face (Never understimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: sionnsar

*scratching noggin*

In a SPA?
Yikes!


50 posted on 01/31/2007 4:46:02 PM PST by Darksheare (Hey, you're curious reader #[an error occurred while processing this directive] to reach the end.)
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