Reported on FOX News a little ago. Illigals have killed 45,000 US citizens since 9/11

Fox News | Jan 24, 2007 | Fox Neil Cabuto

[stockpirate]

There were two woman on the show being interviwed and I only caught a piece of it.

But the main part was that since 9/11 over 45,000 US citizens have been killed by illigal aliens in the US.

Does anyone know more about this as I am very interested. They said the numbers came from a US Congressman or Senator.

also one person was with the boarder militia group, so there were three people.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Most of the disputes are just over the number not that Illegals do no harm. At least that is my dispute. Lots of people here are ready to believe anything no matter how illogical. One post above put the total costs associated with Illegals at almost a trillion dollars. Since that is 83,000 per Illegal it can be dismissed out of hand. Almost all numbers coming from those believing Illegals are the greatest problem facing the nation can just as easily and legitimately dismissed.

[hubbubhubbub]

"If you include murders, accidents, E. coli poisoning, and shoddy landscaping, you're still pushing it....."


Well after all they do all our cooking and wash all our dishes.

[VOA]

I don't know how the 45,000 figure jibes with reality.

But for a selection of the mayhem that illegal immigrants have committed
in the USA
AND/OR are only accussed of committing...
here's a nice reference source.

KEYWORD: CRIMALIENS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=crimaliens

[alrea]

But the main part was that since 9/11 over 45,000 US citizens have been killed by illigal aliens in the US.

Help the Democrat party keep us safe. After they stop war, they can stop immigration, which is obviously far more dangerous. (Before or after they get us all free healthcare).

[Eva]

llegal aliens murder
12 Americans daily
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total
U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan
Posted: November 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863. Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.

(Story continues below)

[VOA]

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[Centurion2000]

But the main part was that since 9/11 over 45,000 US citizens have been killed by illigal aliens in the US.

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[CMAC51]

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSFAnn/TSF2004.pdf

Considering your assertion, or more appropriately your conviction that most traffic fatalities occur away from population centers on highways, I encourage you to check out page 144 and 145 of this report by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration. Roughly 16% of fatalities occurred on Interstates, Freeways or express ways. Over 60% occurred on roadways classified as less than a principal artery.

If you are so far off on this assertion, should we expect your other assertions to be any more on target.

Perhaps you shouldn't dismiss things so quickly out of hand before you check your facts. Just as you dismiss the 83,000 without really examining its validity. If that number represents the cost of an illegal over time and the average illegal is in the country for 10 yrs (numbers are for example only, not actual data), then it would represent only 8,300 per illegal per year. This would be a value not so easily dismissed.

I am afraid you are demonstrating far more bias than those you would indict for the crime.

[Eva]

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[4Freedom]

"It is "possible" that almost all deaths are by Illegals but it is not true. Neither is this figure accurate being ginned up by polemicists against Illegal Immigration. Anyone involved in an incident with a Spanish name is probably thrown into the calculation as an Illegal."

"In Chicago the vast majority of murders are gang related. Some are by Illegals but those are a small minority since our homegrown thugs take care of most killings."

How in the hell do you know that?

Where's your link to statistical data to back your wild claims up.

We're just supposed to believe you?

You're constantly accusing everyone else of pulling numbers out of their butts and that's all you ever do.

I've never seen you provide a single link to a source to support any of your ridiculous claims.

Does Chicago even track that data, or are these more of your feelings?

LOL!

[CMAC51]

Oh, now you've offended him and he won't play anymore.

[Eaker]

Still no answer cupcakes?

I would so like to be able to ask you this question in person.

You would give me an answer then.

But until then I will will spend time with my American friends and you enjoy your time with the illegal alien criminal scum that you call friends.

[4Freedom]

"Oh, now you've offended him and he won't play anymore."

It's just the truth as I see it, CMAC51. I've asked this guy for links to substantiate his crazy claims on threads before and he's never provided a single one.

But just count how many times he's accused others of making things up and pulling facts out of their butts on this thread.

This guy's got his arm in his own butt up to his shoulder.

LOL!

[justshutupandtakeit]

My spectulation was that traffic accidents would be more likely fatal if occurring on an expressway/Interstate rather than a local road. That speculation was only that as I said.
There was never any doubt that more accidents occur in the cities but they are generally at a lower rate of speed. It is a truism that more accidents occur close to home.

Rather than "dismiss" anything out of hand I examined what the figure of a trillion per YEAR would mean on a per capita basis and found it to be so unlikely that it dismisses itself. Throwing in your ten year figure is not something that should be in the calculation. Your figure is more believable no matter how you arrived at it however.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Now you doubt that most murders in Chicago are gang-related?
Be my guest but anyone who has lived here for 40+ years as I have knows that to be true. It is not a recent phenomenon either. This is also true in almost all major cities if not all.

[dforest]

4500 or 45000 is not the issue, if they were not here, 4500, at least, would not be responsible.

[lawdude]

"its 12 a day or 13k in 3 years.. can't be 45k but its still a scandal worth impeaching over."

911 was more than 3 years ago. Try 5+.

[stockpirate]

Yes, but businesses get chaep labor, and lettace is still at a pretty good price! */scarsam off

[CMAC51]

"One post above put the total costs associated with Illegals at almost a trillion dollars."

I missed the part in the quote where you refer to the cost being over 1 trillion per year. Perhaps you would care to point me to the post that correctly quotes someone making that assertion, or would that be to incovenient for your self defense.

Since that is 83,000 per Illegal it can be dismissed out of hand.

It appears you are the one saying you dismissed it out of hand, not I.

It's curious that you would say that illegals are not associated with traffic fatalities in Chicago. NHTSA data shows Hispanics as 5 times more likely than causasians to be involved in a fatal traffic accident. Chicago makes a practice of not recording or releasing the residency information of those involved in fatal accidents. Since 5 times as many Hispanics are involved in fatal accidents and the residency status is not released, what would be the basis for...

"Occasionally you will see an accident with Illegals but they are not that common."

Looks to me like information without basis and pretty much valueless. No I am wrong there. It did prompt me to spend time digging through Federal and state goverment data, insurance records and a few studies. I handn't intended to, but your posts prompted me to invest the time. Quite revealing information. You won't like what you find, but perhaps you should do the same before dismissing anything else.

[4Freedom]

Your claim is that more murders in Chicago are being committed by American citizens than illegal aliens.

How would you know that?

Where's your proof?

Where's your link?

Does the Chicago Police Department even track those statistics?

I believe you're guilty of doing the very thing you accuse others of doing, pulling your facts out of your butt.