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The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)
Boston Globe ^ | Februrary 13, 2007 | Senator John McCain and Senator Joe Lieberman

Posted on 02/13/2007 5:15:20 AM PST by RWR8189

THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it. The recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded there is a greater than 90 percent chance that greenhouse gases released by human activities like burning oil in cars and coal in power plants are causing most of the observed global warming. This report puts the final nail in denial's coffin about the problem of global warming.

In addition, the US Fish and Wildlife Service has identified a warming climate, and the resulting melting of sea ice, as the reason polar bears may now be threatened as a species. The US Center for Disease Control's National Center for Environmental Health has cited global warming as the largest looming public health challenge we face. And President Bush has himself called global warming a serious challenge that we need to confront.

Indeed, if we fail to start substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the next couple of years, we risk bequeathing a diminished world to our grandchildren. Insect-borne diseases such as malaria will spike as tropical ecosystems expand; hotter air will exacerbate the pollution that sends children to the hospital with asthma attacks; food insecurity from shifting agricultural zones will spark border wars; and storms and coastal flooding from sea-level rise will cause mortality and dislocation.

To confront this challenge, we have reintroduced the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act. The bill, which has growing bipartisan support, would harness the power of the free market and the engine of American innovation to reduce the nation's greenhouse gas emissions substantially enough and quickly enough to forestall catastrophic global warming.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; lieberman; mccain; mccaingore; mccaingwarming; mccainlieberman; mccaintruthfile; rinomccain
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1 posted on 02/13/2007 5:15:24 AM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

Looks like a McCain - Lieberman ticket is in the works, doesn't it?


2 posted on 02/13/2007 5:16:56 AM PST by sono (There are only two exit strategies - One is victory, the other defeat - Joe Lieberman)
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To: RWR8189
Ka-ching! Johnny McInsane signed onto Gorebaal's collectivist agenda. That's one more reason I will NEVER vote for him, whether or not he becomes our party's presidential nominee.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 02/13/2007 5:18:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

Boy they fell for the bait hook line and sinker...

Shame on them.

More lemmings running for the cliffs...

Just another example of why McCain should never be President.


4 posted on 02/13/2007 5:18:56 AM PST by DB
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To: RWR8189
There'll be guys with binoculars outside your house in the winter checking your chimney for emissions.

Time to milk the cows again!

5 posted on 02/13/2007 5:19:05 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: RWR8189

Yet another reason NOT to vote for McCain.


6 posted on 02/13/2007 5:20:11 AM PST by rbg81 (1)
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To: DB
McCain wants to be the Media's Favorite Republican TM again.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 02/13/2007 5:20:54 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189
THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it. The recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded there is a greater than 90 percent chance that greenhouse gases released by human activities like burning oil in cars and coal in power plants are causing most of the observed global warming. This report puts the final nail in denial's coffin about the problem of global warming.

Two more yutzes hop on the Al Gore globaloney express.

8 posted on 02/13/2007 5:21:03 AM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: RWR8189
...the resulting melting of sea ice, as the reason polar bears may now be threatened as a species.

Let's not be hasty boys.
The following excerpt is from the FOX News website.

The 1999 study in the science journal Arctic that first reported apparent problems among the Hudson Bay polar bear population (search) suggested that their condition may be related to the earlier seasonal break-up of sea ice on western Hudson Bay —a phenomenon that seems to correlate with the 1950-1990 Arctic warm-up. But, as mention previously, the 1950-1990 Arctic warming period seems to be part of a natural cycle and not due to manmade emissions of greenhouse gases.

Moreover, the notion of a declining polar bear population doesn’t square well available information.

A Canadian Press Newswire story earlier this year reported that, in three Arctic villages, polar bears “are so abundant there’s a public safety issue.” The local polar bear population reportedly increased from about 2,100 in 1997 to as many as 2,600 in 2004. Inuit hunters (search) wanted to be able to kill more bears because they are “fearsome predators.”

An aerial survey of Alaskan polar bears published in "Arctic" (December 2003) reported a greater polar bear density than previous survey estimates dating back to 1987.

9 posted on 02/13/2007 5:23:15 AM PST by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: RWR8189

FYI

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm


10 posted on 02/13/2007 5:27:25 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: RWR8189

****Indeed, if we fail to start substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the next couple of years, we risk bequeathing a diminished world to our grandchildren.***

And if we do go about reducing greenhouse gasses we will leave our grandchildren a country with no industry , no jobs, and no means of traveling from one place to another.


11 posted on 02/13/2007 5:29:51 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: DB
Boy they fell for the bait hook line and sinker...

Global warming is a political ruse meant to greenlight global totalitarian government.

McKeating and Loserman are politicians.

End of story.

You can do anything you want in the name of preventing global warming because anybody who would question whatever it is you want to do is a heretic - a denier.

12 posted on 02/13/2007 5:29:55 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: RWR8189

I thought from the headline that perhaps they looked out the window, or listened to the news and found that the country is freezing and realized we've all been sold a bill of goods.

Tonight, it is to get well below zero here. It will be interesting to find if it's a record low.


13 posted on 02/13/2007 5:33:03 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: RWR8189
McCain has finally completely jumped the shark, signing on the socialist metanarrative of environmentalism.

From an interview with the President of the Czech Republic:

IPCC has released its report and you say that the global warming is a false myth. How did you get this idea, Mr President?•

A: It's not my idea. Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment. Also, it's an undignified slapstick that people don't wait for the full report in May 2007 but instead respond, in such a serious way, to the summary for policymakers where all the "but's" are scratched, removed, and replaced by oversimplified theses.• This is clearly such an incredible failure of so many people, from journalists to politicians. If the European Commission is instantly going to buy such a trick, we have another very good reason to think that the countries themselves, not the Commission, should be deciding about similar issues.•

14 posted on 02/13/2007 5:33:19 AM PST by Eva
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To: RWR8189

So what determines whether there is global warming or not is a "broad social consensus"?


15 posted on 02/13/2007 5:33:30 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: RWR8189
THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it.

And five hundred years ago the accepted wisdom was that the earth was flat. Broad consensus?

Here is yet another reason why McCain will never get the GOP nomination. He may run as an independent but he will never be the GOP nominee.

16 posted on 02/13/2007 5:34:21 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: RWR8189

"THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it."

A BROAD consensus is 1 or 2 out of three of the above. I'll believe humans have any part in it when they uncover factory smokestacks alongside the bones of the dinosaurs who used to graze in the jungles of Antarctica.

BTW, any legislation sponsored by McCain will probably help the environment about as much as McCain-Feingold has helped to further free speech.


17 posted on 02/13/2007 5:35:30 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: RWR8189; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; Mrs. Don-o; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on graphic for full GW rundown


18 posted on 02/13/2007 5:38:15 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Fido969
"So what determines whether there is global warming or not is a "broad social consensus"?"

When it is repeated enough by the media such that enough politicians believe it.

19 posted on 02/13/2007 5:39:09 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: RWR8189

"THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it. "

Bull$hit!
How about some scientific, peer reviewed studies?
"Scientific" has a meaning different than "a group of folks with a common agenda"
The "Scientific Method" has NOT been applied to achieve the "consensus" alleged here.


20 posted on 02/13/2007 5:45:24 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: RWR8189

21 posted on 02/13/2007 5:48:02 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Of course anyone who has worked with micro environments, such as fish tanks, knows that excess carbon increases plant growth. Perhaps this is why there is exponential growth in trees and coral reefs. Additionally, global warming will access frozen land in Russia and Canada for habitation and agriculture. These are all bad things why
?


22 posted on 02/13/2007 5:51:05 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Eva

That was an excellent response by the Czech President, and I would dearly love to hear a similar response from any leader over here, be it the presdient, a Senator or Congressman.


23 posted on 02/13/2007 5:51:22 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: RWR8189

McCain is just proving how much of a kook he is. No way he'll be getting my vote.


24 posted on 02/13/2007 5:52:16 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: RWR8189
THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening

There was also a time when there was a broad consensus that the band 'Wham!' was pretty cool. Go figure.
25 posted on 02/13/2007 5:58:32 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: RWR8189

I could reallly use some of that global warming today. I wish it would hurry up.


26 posted on 02/13/2007 5:59:25 AM PST by CSM (We're not losing our country, some are just throwing it away. - Sherri-D)
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To: RWR8189

Another solid reason NOT to vote for McVain....


27 posted on 02/13/2007 5:59:33 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: RWR8189

Another reason why Angry John will never be president.


28 posted on 02/13/2007 5:59:39 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Hillary Hugo Chavez wants to "take those profits" away from you, for the common good)
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To: jwalsh07
broad consensus

there is broad concesus that socialists and their lawyers need a new meal ticket, especially now that chiner and vietnam are commu-capitalists and other socialists dictators are either starving or being taken out.

29 posted on 02/13/2007 6:04:51 AM PST by alrea (Because the press told them to, day in and day out, 24/7, headline after headline, for six years.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Ya got me. I see longer growing seasons and two crope per year instead of one.

IMO it really doesnt matter anyway, there is nothing we can do about it. Sit back relax, buy a good sun screen and be cool.


30 posted on 02/13/2007 6:08:59 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: RWR8189; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Cicero; GarySpFc; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
"[...]The debate has ended over whether global warming is a problem caused by human activity.[...]"

Just so you know.

31 posted on 02/13/2007 6:14:15 AM PST by A. Pole (Gore:We are the most powerful force of nature.We are changing the relationship between Earth and Sun)
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To: RWR8189

32 posted on 02/13/2007 6:15:12 AM PST by Gritty (Global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers - Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe)
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To: rbg81
Yet another reason NOT to vote for McCain.

I didn't need any more, thanks.

33 posted on 02/13/2007 6:18:08 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel is the Republican Joe Biden!)
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To: Rummyfan

>That was an excellent response by the Czech
President, and I would dearly love to hear a similar response from any leader over here, be it the president, a Senator or Congressman.<

I doubt you'll get it. The President of Czechoslovakia comes from a scientific background. With precious few exceptions, all we manage to elect are lawyers.


34 posted on 02/13/2007 6:20:33 AM PST by Darnright
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To: ladtx

A week or so ago, I was looking for that polar bear population survey, and failed. Thanks for giving me a better idea of how to find the source.


35 posted on 02/13/2007 6:24:21 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Global warming is a political ruse meant to greenlight global totalitarian government.

That has to be what is behind this Global Warming nonsense. You never, ever hear anything positive about what a warmer climate would be like (assuming it is warming at all). From what I've read about the medieval warming period, humans prospered in ways never before seen. It doesn't sound that bad to me.....

36 posted on 02/13/2007 6:26:44 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: RWR8189
The debate has ended over whether global warming is a problem caused by human activity.

Oh really? Just when did that happen? Does McCain really expect me to believe a political committee formed by the UN? Folks, this is just one more reason we can not and should not allow McCain anywhere near the oval office.

37 posted on 02/13/2007 6:28:27 AM PST by mort56
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To: Ouderkirk

Thank you for putting the graph up for everyone to see. If you read about climatic cycling over the past 450 thousand years it is obvious that man has very little to do with our global warming today. It happens whether we like it or not.


38 posted on 02/13/2007 6:56:55 AM PST by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: RWR8189
"THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country"

Consensus is not science.

"that global warming is happening"

Only up until 2000, according to some measures. Bush's fault!

"that it is a serious problem"

Nobody has died of Global Warming. Mankind is exceptionally adaptable.

"and that humans are causing it"

Scientifically Unproved, and possibly unprovable.

"The recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded there is a greater than 90 percent chance that greenhouse gases released by human activities like burning oil in cars and coal in power plants are causing most of the observed global warming"

Science is about proof, not probabilities. Until Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue, 90% of Europeans concluded the ocean went on forever.

"This report puts the final nail in denial's coffin about the problem of global warming."

Why is this report defininitive, when it modifies the previous reports which were also declared definitive at the time? Does this mean this is the final report of all reports, and that no further report will ever modify it? No.

"In addition, the US Fish and Wildlife Service has identified a warming climate, and the resulting melting of sea ice, as the reason polar bears may now be threatened as a species."

Polar bear populations are at near-all-time-highs.

"The US Center for Disease Control's National Center for Environmental Health has cited global warming as the largest looming public health challenge we face."

The CDC cannot point to a single sick person caused by Global Warming.

"And President Bush has himself called global warming a serious challenge that we need to confront."

It's well past time to point to President Bush as the authority on much of anything.

"Indeed, if we fail to start substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the next couple of years, we risk bequeathing a diminished world to our grandchildren."

Contrarily, we risk bequeathing an enhanced world to our grandchildren. CO2 causes more plants to live better. Warmer climes put more arable land into production. Canadians will have a real country.

"Insect-borne diseases such as malaria will spike as tropical ecosystems expand"

Absolutely refuted by malaria experts.

"hotter air will exacerbate the pollution that sends children to the hospital with asthma attacks"

Not true. The air is getting cleaner in the U.S. so fast that this is unlikely. On the other hand, China, which is exempt from Global Warming's "cure" of Kyoto will belch untold quantities of coal emissions. Maybe Chinese kids will get sicker, in spite of the "cure."

"food insecurity from shifting agricultural zones will spark border wars"

Food hasn't sparked wars in generations. Get over it.

"and storms and coastal flooding from sea-level rise will cause mortality and dislocation"

A key effect of "Global Warming" theory is that warmer oceans near Antarctica and Greenland will cause more snow, and lock up more water on those land masses, reducing sea level. Melting the whole North Pole will cause virtually no increase in sea level, because as we all know, the "tip of the iceberg" is true: Most of it lies under the water, displacing water. Melting it won't cause appreciable water level increases because it is already submerged.

"To confront this challenge, we have reintroduced the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act. The bill, which has growing bipartisan support, would harness the power of the free market and the engine of American innovation to reduce the nation's greenhouse gas emissions substantially enough and quickly enough to forestall catastrophic global warming."

IIRC, if we stopped all human CO2 emmissions now, there would be virtually no change to the temperature speculation models of the "scientists." Marginalia in America won't put a dent in the fraction of a degree increase forecast by the doomsayers.

I can destroy every single sentence in the original clip without even refering to source material.

What else you got, John? A Global Warming Deniers bill to shut me up? (See tagline.)

39 posted on 02/13/2007 7:09:16 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: RWR8189
THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening,

The noun consensus has one meaning: agreement of the majority in sentiment or belief.

Where is the consensus? Why can’t I perceive the consensus? Why isn’t the consensus obvious? I don’t even find a consensus whether the global climate change is warming or cooling. The only consensus I find is that there is global climate change. Is there a consensus that the majority has the correct position?

Quotes about consensus:

Consensus is what many people say in chorus but do not believe as individuals. - Abba Eban

A consensus politician is someone who does something that he doesn't believe is right because it keeps people quiet when he does it. - John Major

To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values, and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects. - Margaret Thatcher

40 posted on 02/13/2007 8:30:49 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: RWR8189
I have never questioned McCain's basic intelligence, until now. Lieberman, I still wonder about, but Senator McCain seems to be nothing more than a shallow weather vane candidate, changing direction to adhere to whatever the perceived Media elite deem is the latest cool thing to say. The McCain-Feingold law was simply stupid, his stance on "torture" was even more so... and now, he falls for the biggest fraud/scam in world history. He is not intelligent enough to be Senator, much less President.
41 posted on 02/13/2007 8:31:48 AM PST by Richard Axtell
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To: goldstategop
I'm getting that feeling too. Many years ago, 1966-1968 to be exact, when I was living in Illinois, I voted for Richard Ogvilie (sp?) ("Dirty Dick"), a RINO, to be governor of Illinois. Illinois didn't have an income tax at the time. Dirty Dick's opponent was a lackluster Democrat named Sam Shapiro ("Nice Guy Sam"). Dirty Dick also got himself a Republican state house and senate majority. The first thing Dirty Dick did was subvert the Republican legislative majority and pass a state income tax over the heated opposition of the very people, like me, who'd been fools enough to vote for him.

If anybody could impose the Kyoto Marxism on the United States, it's McCain. The Witch, hideous as she is, would run into so much congressional opposition that she probably couldn't pull it off, just as Nice Guy Sam couldn't stick the people of Illinois with a state income tax. McCain, by subverting the pubbies the way Dirty Dick did in Illinois, could easily be the only politician in either party who could stick us with Kyoto.
42 posted on 02/13/2007 8:39:29 AM PST by libstripper
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To: RWR8189
Another special interest McCain can siphon soft money from.

The Real McCain

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Gets Soros Cash

John McCain Is No Hero

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL

John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts... (thread by Jim Robinson)

McCain Is Booed by Labor Activists

McCain Rides to Kerry's Rescue: "John Kerry is Not Weak on Defense" (Today Show alert)

John McCain SCREAMS AT 9/11 FSA MEMBERS FOR OPPOSING HIS BILL TO GIVE AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS

John McCain's Skeleton Closet

A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)

McCain/Soros by Rabbi Areyh Spero

Soros' "Reform" (an article about Soros‘ instrumental hand in McCain/Feingold)

Not Child‘s Play [McCain/Schumer bill could effect FR?]

McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)

McCain Looked into Caucusing with Democrats

Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)

McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives (Club For Growth)

John McCain Goes Left for Money

Sens. Snowe, Collins to head Maine exploratory committee for McCain

Double Talk Express. McCain in his own words. VIDEO

43 posted on 02/13/2007 10:55:41 AM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: RWR8189
I've had it with this junk science. There was broad consensus that the world was flat at one time. There was broad consensus that DDT would end bird life on this planet. Instead the banning of that pesticide has resulted in untold millions of deaths due to starvation.

There was broad consensus that we were in an ice age just thirty years ago. How about REAL science not driven by a political agenda instead?
44 posted on 02/13/2007 1:30:33 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Darnright
The President of the Czech Republic is very well-educated; however, his formal training is in Economics. http://www.hrad.cz/cms/en/prezident_cr/klaus.shtml

I do expect him to be relatively well-informed on the notion of global warming due to his position of power. Also, as some here have said he understands the BS machine of the socialists and communists and understand the impending doom of the global warming freaks in the U.S. and abroad.

45 posted on 02/13/2007 2:55:40 PM PST by erikm88
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To: xcamel

Carbon Credit trading bump!


46 posted on 02/13/2007 7:14:50 PM PST by Shermy
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To: RWR8189; Liz; Howlin
THERE IS NOW a broad consensus in this country, and indeed in the world, that global warming is happening, that it is a serious problem, and that humans are causing it.

McLame must be reaching for the kook vote right out of the box. It's a little scary.

McCain, Clinton probe melting Arctic
By LIZ RUSKIN
Anchorage Daily News
August 19, 2005

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Sens. John McCain and Hillary Clinton, touring Alaska this week to view melting permafrost and shrinking glaciers, said the evidence is mounting that global warming is real and human activity is significantly to blame.

"The question is how much damage will be done before we start taking concrete action," McCain, R-Ariz., told reporters at the Hotel Captain Cook Wednesday morning. "Go up to places like we just came from. It's a little scary."

Clinton, D-N.Y., said the scientists and Native people she's spoken to on this trip to Alaska and Canada's Yukon Territory make the case with convincing and moving particulars.

"So I don't think there's any doubt left for anybody who actually looks at the science," she said. "There are still some holdouts, but they're fighting a losing battle. The science is overwhelming."

Among those holdouts, though, is Alaska's entire delegation to Congress - Sens. Ted Stevens and Lisa Murkowski and Congressman Don Young - who did not accompany the senators on their tour.

The Alaskans have opposed mandatory limits on the emission of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, saying they're not convinced that humans are largely to blame.

That would put them outside the scientific mainstream.

The National Academy of Sciences and the academies of 10 other nations issued a statement this summer saying there is strong evidence that significant global warming is under way and that "it is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities."

Whatever the cause, almost everyone agrees the Arctic is warming faster than the rest of the world, and the effects in the North can seem dramatic, which is why Clinton, McCain and two other Lower 48 senators came. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said the Arctic is the canary in the coal mine of global warming, "crying out to us to pay attention to the impact."

The group flew over Canada's Yukon territory and saw forests decimated by spruce bark beetles - believed to grow profusely because of warm weather.

"It's just heartbreaking to see the devastation," Clinton said.

She was struck by the account of a 93-year-old woman she met at a fish camp they reached by helicopter from Whitehorse, Yukon. The woman told her she'd been fishing there her whole life but that lately the fish have strange bumps on them, growths Clinton said sounded like some sort of tumor.

They also went to Barrow, the northernmost city in the United States, and met with scientists and Inupiaq Eskimo residents concerned about rising sea levels and other changes. The senators headed to Seward Wednesday to see shrinking glaciers in Kenai Fjords National Park.

Murkowski doesn't dispute Earth is warming or that emissions play a role, only the size of that role, her spokeswoman, Kristin Pugh, said Wednesday. Murkowski welcomed the senators with a dinner she hosted Tuesday night at the Turnagain home of former Gov. Bill Sheffield. After dinner, Clinton and Murkowski walked back to the Captain Cook along the city's Coastal Trail, Pugh said.

Last year, the Alaska delegation disputed an international report by more than 300 scientists that said "human influences . . . have now become the dominant factor" in global warming.

Young dismissed the "so-called study" as ammunition for fear mongers.

"I don't believe it is our fault. That's an opinion," Young said in November. "It's as sound as any scientist's."

In an interview with KTUU-Channel 2 News this week, Young said the globe is going to change no matter what humans do.

"But to have people come down and talk about we gotta do this, we gotta change that, we don't use Freon anymore, you don't use underarm deodorant, you can't do these kinds of things - you know, that is pure nonsense," Young said.

Murkowski said she got her most definitive answer to date at a Senate hearing last month, when a climate expert told her that "nearly all" the warming in recent decades is due to human activity. She said the degree of human causation is a matter of debate, however, and she wanted more evidence before she could support something like mandatory emission limits, which could slow the economy.

McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., have sponsored the "Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act," which would require electric utilities and other companies to keep greenhouse gas emissions to what they were in the year 2000.

Stevens, who opposes mandatory limits, has said any such legislation would have to go through him because he chairs the Senate Commerce Committee.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., the fourth senator at the Anchorage press conference Wednesday, said he is on the fence about global warming legislation but said he was moved by what he heard on the trip.

"Climate change is different when you come here, because you see the faces of people experiencing it in Alaska," he said. "If you can go to the Native people and listen to their stories and walk away with any doubt that something's going on, I just think you're not listening."

As for Rep. Young's dismissive comments about the issue, "All of us who know Don know that he's just being Don," said Graham.

One of the climate-related questions Alaska's senators are facing is what to do for villages like Shishmaref, which are suffering coastal erosion. Moving them is projected to cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

McCain, a constant critic of congressional spending, said he thinks American taxpayers will be generous to such villagers, as they are to hurricane victims in Florida.

But, he said, people asking for money to fix a problem should be willing to address the root cause.

"So far, some of my colleagues are not eager to do so," he said.

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47 posted on 02/14/2007 5:46:18 AM PST by Libloather (Everything contributes to global warming yet there is no global warming...)
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To: Eva
Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so.

That right there completely discredits him. No serious person denies that the globe is warming. Thermometers don't lie, and the measurements show a persistent warming trend. Some reputable scientists are skeptical as to whether human activity is responsible for that warming, but most aren't.

48 posted on 02/14/2007 8:12:06 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

No, you are wrong, a temperature rise of .7 or .6 degrees over a century is not indicative of anything except the fact that the Earth's temperture is not static, it has gone up and down over various periods of time. That't the reason that the Vikings farmed Greenland and were able to sail the treacherous northern seas in those little wooden boats. The only thing certain about the Earth's climate is that it changes. Consensus is not scientific evaluation. You don't take a vote to determine scientific evidence, you prove it, and scientists
have not been able to that.

Read Michael Crichton's State of Fear for a good expanation of the politics of the environment. It is very well documented.


49 posted on 02/14/2007 9:13:42 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
a temperature rise of .7 or .6 degrees over a century

Thanks for making my point. The earth is warming. Even you don't deny it. To deny it is to ignore reality.

50 posted on 02/14/2007 9:40:44 AM PST by curiosity
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