A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)

Self | February 23, 2007 | Alberta's Child

[panaxanax]

Good work, thanks.

[ShawTaylor]

When I am ready to take orders from a Canadian on who to vote for as president of these United Sates, I'll let ya know.
In the meantime, why don't you concentrate on your own country's politics?

[dirtboy]

It's a good thing the French donated her when they did. If the donation had been a century later, she'd be holding a white flag instead of a torch.

[pogo101]

If you wish you hadn't been pinged -- well, too bad

Nice attitude. Maybe I should add you to a few ping lists that you don't want to be on.

[Dolphy]

He will have FAR more power to enact such actions as president, and the temptations will therefore be that much greater.

So your belief is that Rudy is running for President so that he can focus on social issues and leave a lasting legacy? I'm betting you couldn't be further off the mark.

[OKIEDOC]

Good comment.



Lots of posts about conservatism.

Suddenly a minority in the Republican party has defined conservative membership qualifications as being tight wads and religious fanatics far to the right of religious zealots and jihadists Muslim suicide bombers.

Our party is way to big to have such narrow minded standards for an individual to carry the moniker of Conservative.

I believe I am a conservative but not necessarily as defined by the fervent who think they own the party.

The liberal, left-wing nut job muck divers over in the DNC sewer have given the Dimocrats a no win, Cut and Run, one agenda bunch of candidates.

Does anyone really believe that Osama Obama and Hellary are qualified to run this great country.

Personally I do not believe that anyone has the right to doubt my conservative credentials nor tell me how I must vote to satisfy their wishes.

Unlike most air-headed liberals over on the left, a person can tell me who they LIKE and WHY then I will make up my own mind as to who is the better candidate.

Just my lowly opinion.

[daviddennis]

Thank you for your intelligent, quality post. If you decide to have a ping list, please add me to it.

I suppose you would call me a Wall Street Journal Republican. I think of illegal immigrants as people who are struggling for a better life by going through incredible hardships to get here, and then doing the most menial jobs, ones that Americans have largely abandoned.

Although I understand and respect many people who do not share my position - which includes most of FR - I think it's a big stretch to lump illegal immigrants in with thieves, murders and rapists.

I lived in Los Angeles for most of my life, and left because I lost my job and couldn't afford to keep my house :-(. I wish I was still there, but a friend found me a job in Pennsylvania, and here I am. I'm absolutely miserable here, and one reason is that there is no dynamism. What happened yesterday is what happens today and will happen tomorrow. Illegal immigrants add spice and dynamism to society. If there's one thing worse than overpopulation thanks to illegal immigrants, it's underpopulation thanks to nobody caring anymore.

During my time in Los Angeles, I have never -- repeat -- never -- had any trouble with illegals. Their presence helps business grow that could not otherwise afford to exist. The very company I worked for almost certainly (I never checked anyone's papers) owed its existance to the hard work of illegals, and it also employed many true-blue Americans at good wages(*).

Illegals cause problems but also create opportunities. I think the opportunities are greater than the problems, and I gather Rudy Giuliani agrees with me.

So I think you can say we have a reasonable disagreement on that particular issue.

'Concerning the abortion and gun control issues, I've made a point in my posts that nobody's made a satisfactory response to. I just plain don't believe that Rudy or any other President is going to waste time on these issues, and so regardless of how I stand on them I will not base my support or opposition to a candidate on her or his positions on them. For this reason, I'm just not sure why people make such a fuss about them. President Bush, for example, is against abortion, but has he made a single move to change the law? Rudy Giuliani is for abortion, but I'd be shocked if he would mention the word even once as President.

Why do we waste our time asking about issues that are never going to come up?

Finally, I think it would be remiss if I didn't address our pal Bernie. From what I can see, he was apparently quite a capable police commissioner, and the previous people in the job fell flat on their faces. So maybe he wasn't such a bad appointment after all, on the whole.

I guess he did some Bad Things, too. But did he and Rudy Giuliani not work hard and well to clean up NYC? He's paid his fine and made up for his mistakes. Now he can't work for government again. Justice has been served. The End.

I wonder how many completely honest people there are in government. I think most freepers would answer that question with a derisive laugh and a snort. And in that case, again, if we strike a balance through Rudy's record, it looks overwhelmingly positive. He did great things while in power.

How many of his opponents can say that?
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(*) Incidentally, all our employees were legally on payroll and got the usual employment benefits, including workers' comp. So in the case of our specific business, you can't use the argument that their health costs were subsidized.

[dirtboy]

So your belief is that Rudy is running for President so that he can focus on social issues and leave a lasting legacy?

No, and please show me where I said that.

Instead, I doubt he would be able to reisit the temptation to go along with some social engineering when presented the opportunity. Or even call for some himself.

[kaotic133]

Yet is it in any way untrue? Strip away international politics and examine the domestic agenda of all religiously conservative political groups and you will find precious little difference. It has a lot to do with establishing a society of conformity and a moral majority.. Not very different from the socialist goal, just with different talking points and the arrogance of "God told me so."

[Mr. Silverback]

If you've been pinged to this thread, it's probably because I've come across some interesting comments from you -- for or against Rudy Giuliani -- on another thread.

"They think I'm interesting!"

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Well done.

[Valin]

Bump for later.

In the meantime

Friday, February 23, 2007
"All Of Us Make Mistakes"
Posted by Hugh Hewitt | 1:04 AM

http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/895f5b47-147d-48b1-a3a1-c2ba0904b833

That's one of the answers Rudy Giuliani gave to one of my questions in an interview taped Thursday which will air today.

We also discuss Mitt Romney's religion, Hillary and Obama, and the longest speech the Mayor has ever given --at which I was present.

First hour, first two segments.

And, no, the question wasn't whether he had bought my book.

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while I have problems with Rudy, my point has always been it may take someone like Rudy to beat Hillary. Someone who can get down and dirty, and is not afraid to throw some mud, because you KNOW the Clinton smear machine will.

[TommyDale]

The sad part is that there are many anti-religious bigots out there who would love for the Religious Right to just go away.
I'm not sure where they come from, but they are a small segment of the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan. I refer to them as the Agnostic wing of the GOP. Tiny, but throwing grenades at the Christian voters.

[dirtboy]

Yet is it in any way untrue? Strip away international politics and examine the domestic agenda of all religiously conservative political groups and you will find precious little difference.

You truly are an idiot. Once again, you sound just like a dumbass DU poster comparing Christian conservatives to Islamists.

Last I checked, Christians aren't engaging in global terrorist campaigns, beheading captives and shooting women who won't wear a burka. Just for starters.

Go somewhere else where they wallow in that kind of ignorance.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Ok now, you can't get mad at me here, since you pinged me to the other thread the other day, I've kind of been reading some of the Rudy threads, and now I'm ready to comment:)

Those who get all worked up about those pictures have such a skewed sense of humor and proportion or both, the rest of their perspective is called into question.

I don't get this at all...just because people don't agree on what is "humor" , it calls into question their perspective?????

I could turn that around you know, and say that since you do find that sort of thing humorous, your perspective is called into question.

What Rudy does for humor is Rudy's business, what his stance on major issues such as abortion, gun control, and gay rights, is what concerns me.

Personally, I would like to see an adequate, reasonable defense for these issues addressed by a Republican Rudy supporter.

Becky

[Beagle8U]

"But name recognition and great speechmaking abilities aren't enough"

One important downside to "name recognition" is that once the views of a candidate on issues are well known everyone knows exactly who not to vote for.

Jim Zumbo was very well known and popular in gun and hunting circles. Now that his real views came out his career is over.

[babygene]

"No one has shown that to be true. Explain why that is true please. It seems it is mostly a few posters here that would not vote for him under any circumstances, and that is just plain stupid in my opinion."

Do you by any chance follow the polls on the right side of your browser. Rudy looses 28% of member and non-menber, with another 30 percent undecided / praying. He gets less than a third of those on FR., how can he win against the dems.

Also, just taking a good part of the 20 million in Rush's audience out of the mix assures defeat.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Thanks for the ping.

While Mayor Rudy Giuliani is a very likeable and somewhat admirable man, he does not possess or share my conservative values. Even Mayor Richie Daley of Chicago appears more conservative than Mayor Giuliani.

While there is no way I will not support Mr. Giuliani for the Republican Presidential nomination, I would support Rudy for New York Senator.

Cheers,
OLA

[Valin]

"They think I'm interesting!"


FOOLED EM AGAIN! :-)

[CindyDawg]

Getting past name recognition, which can be fixed, what's not supportable about Duncan Hunter?http://www.gohunter08.com/