A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)

Self | February 23, 2007 | Alberta's Child

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

I have posted a lengthy background on Rudy's accomplishments and earlier positions several times on FR, and started to do so again, but that would be like talking past the anti-Rudy people. I cannot disagree with several of your points. We are both conservatives, but I am of the libertarian stripe, and don't have a problem with Rudy's positions on many of the issues articulated by this post. What I fail to see with many of the anti-Rudy comments is a more objective view of Rudy's accomplishments and positions. First, he has a good record cutting taxes and fiscal conservatism. Second, he has a good record regarding national security (I will address the immigration issue separately, while it does bear on security). Third, Rudy was elected in a very liberal city, and while having some liberal positions, I contend that some consideration must be given for the timing of some of the statements made by Rudy. In some cases, these statements were made 15-20 years ago. You need to consider the context in which those statements were made. Go back and look at statements made by Ronald Reagan in his life. You will find some that do not aling with how his Presidential policies.

Finally, Rudy's position on immigration and the 2nd Amendment are my main concerns in terms of my philosophy. As far as the 2nd Amendment, Rudy had made statements that indicate to me that he will not try to implement the kind of gun control that would concern me. I was against the Brady Bill, but frankly, Brady was not a big deal. Going beyond Brady would be. As for immigration, I will concede that Rudy would not be as aggressive as someone like Duncan Hunter. For that matter, I like Hunter and could support him. I will wait and see how the campaign moves. I like a Rudy/Hunter ticket. I have watched politics in the USA since Goldwater lost to LBJ. I have been disappointed more than you know. Even Ronald Reagan wasn't perfect. George W less so, but both have my support, since I realize that there is no perfect candidate. Rudy may not be a candidate for all conservatives, but if he wins the nomination, I sincerely hope conservative weight the results of the election of either Hildebeast, Obama or Edwards.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings kaotic133:

While concurring with an overwhelming desire toward the goal of rolling back government power and largess…

Check out of Qu'ran maybe you'll find some inspiration for your pseudo-crusade of morally judging people through secular law.

…spewing that sort bovine excretement might be trendy in New York, but it won't play in "fly over country."

BTW, nice stereotyping, offend Judeo-Christians and the non-Wahabbi Muslims in one post.

OLA

[TommyDale]

I don't recall any active participation by an organization to that effect. The congress could have enacted it with some people commenting. Just because something is passed by congress and certain groups endorse it, does that make them the root cause of the legislation? I don't think your anger is being pointed in the correct direction. Blame your congressperson or senator.

[Beagle8U]

"If anyone doubts the mood of the Second Amendment crowd do a search for "Jim Zumbo", you will find we are very serious..."

And it only took a week for him to go from penthouse to outhouse once his views were brought to light.

[Lakeshark]

The last time I looked we lost in November.......

Some vaccination.

[airborne]

That's why I donate to FreeRepublic.

[takenoprisoner]

If Rudy G-man gets the nod from "republicans," it's a win for democrats regardless how the presidential election turns out.

How so? If Rudy wins, we will have a gun grabbing liberal socialist in the whitehouse. If the demo candidate wins, we will have a gun grabbing liberal socialist in the whitehouse.

Sure, casting a vote for Rudy is a vote against Hillary. But still, casting a vote for Rudy is the same thing as supporting demo "values."

[Corin Stormhands]

Voting for POTUS isn't the same as voting for Prom King.

At least our candidate is getting asked to the Prom.

JoinRudy2008 * Virginia is for Rudy * The Ward View

[quantim]

To call him a cross dresser is the height of absurdity.

Indeed so.  Sometimes though, we don't know what the future may hold for us as we go through life...

[carton253]

LOL!

One day babygene you will learn that Free Republic, for all its wonderful qualities, is not America.

The bunny suit got a lot of play here, but if it were not for conservative voters in Warren, Butler, Clermont, and Preble counties in Ohio standing in long lines and voting for the President, John Kerry might have won that election - bunny suit and all.

So, no, in the long run the bunny suit did not harm Kerry's campaign.

And these pictures of Rudy in "drag" will be seen for what they are.

Now, if you think that these pictures are the iceburg that sinks his chances have at it.

We will see come primary season just how potent they are.

[TommyDale]

I am a staunch conservative. Given a choice between Rudy and a Democrat, I would have to choose door #3. I have no idea who you are referring to with the quote about "free stuff".

[hosepipe]

[.. The last thing this country needs right now is an effete, dysfunctional weirdo from New York City serving as its chief executive. ..]

Ouch.. thats gonna leave a mark..

Excellent observations.. and well said.. The pro Giuliani forces on FR cannot be that stupid.. could be some of them are professional pro Giuliani forces.. A big enough lie told often enough and loud enough, people will believe.. has been proved to be a good tactic for agitprop.. I've watched it happen here right before my eyes..

Am starting to "Mark" pro Rudy McRomney advocates.. in my little red book..

As a sidebar Rudy McRomney will furhter splinter the republican base the Only one that can repair it some is Newt Gingrich.. Sure he or any other conservative will not \be elected.. But then America is going Hitlerys way toward socialism, currently.. Getting a noseful of Hitlery might cure them..

At least Newt can document and display a Hitlery America Before they elect her during the primarys and election for the I told so's during the hard hard 4 years afterwards..

Rudy McRomney will get Hitlery elected WITH A MANDATE.. not to speak of the lost seats in the House and Senate.. The MsM love Rudy McRomney they despise Newt..

[LtdGovt]

Well, I've encountered those religiously-inspired laws myself. Online gambling has been banned by Congress. And I certainly do not agree with this trend. However, as unhealthy as it might be, it is a battle fought in the margins of our society, not many important rights are taken away because of religion. Quit different from Islamic society, where no one can be free. If I would give their laws 90 on a secular-religious 0-100 scale, I would give most western countries no more than 10.

[HairOfTheDog]

I could turn that around you know, and say that since you do find that sort of thing humorous, your perspective is called into question.

I'm sure it could be... It's perfectly acceptable to judge me by what I find funny. Humor says a lot about a person. :~)

What Rudy does for humor is Rudy's business, what his stance on major issues such as abortion, gun control, and gay rights, is what concerns me.Personally, I would like to see an adequate, reasonable defense for these issues addressed by a Republican Rudy supporter.

OK - I'll give what I think... don't know if it'll be considered adequate or reasonable :~)

Abortion: I don't see abortion as an issue that any candidate, pro life or not, has made much of a difference on in all my years of following politics. It generates a lot of heat in debate, but once elected, most politicians have pretty much done all they can to avoid the issue. If abortion is to end, I think it's much more likely it will be because of advances in medicine and technology than from any poll-watching politician. I just don't give it that much weight in political elections because it just hasn't seemed to matter that much either way. It's an issue that's all noise, not much action.

Gun control: Gun control is the issue where Rudy gives me the most pause because it affects me and is important to me. I'll be paying very close attention to what he says and does in this campaign on this issue. Personally, I think he probably has a big city attitude and aversion to guns that is common among city folk. But he's also said that NYC type gun control is a local decision not a federal one. I don't see him making any attempt to impose restrictions at the federal level, I think he believes it is a state and local issue. If he says or does otherwise, I'll argue he's wrong.

Gay rights: Just simply don't care. He says he doesn't want any kind of heterosexual marriage amendment to the constitution, frankly I agree. I don't want to see the constitution amended for such a stupid and petty reason.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Hmm, if I recall correctly, the Ammonites (among others) had oppressed and attacked the Hebrews. Then God intervened to protect his chosen people, and they rose up and defeated their enemies.

I don't quite see God's chosen people advocating the mass slaughter of all if the infidels do not convert to Judaism. Nor do I see them - in the Old Testament, anyway - spreading their dominion beyond the territory of Israel that God set aside for them.

Look at the ideologoy of Judaism/Christianity as compared to Islam. Please don't compare them. They're not even close.

[Condor51]

***My other problem with this post is that I don't choose a candidate based on a laundry list of his positions on the issues.***

You Win! ... THE DUMBEST POST OF THE week YEAR MILLENIUM!

What exactly do you think voting for the President of The United States is ... another version of American Idol?!?

[Lakeshark]

Well said.

[LtdGovt]

I don't recall any active participation by an organization to that effect. The congress could have enacted it with some people commenting. Just because something is passed by congress and certain groups endorse it, does that make them the root cause of the legislation? I don't think your anger is being pointed in the correct direction. Blame your congressperson or senator.

I heard that the (Un-)Christian Coalition, though it has lost a lot of its power, was pushing for that legislation. The point is, since the Religious Right is prepared to take away other people's rights, why would they stop when it comes to my rights, when I'm doing something they consider to be 'immoral'?

[LtdGovt]

I seem to have confused you with someone else.