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A Message to Rudy Giuliani and His Supporters (VANITY)
Self | February 23, 2007 | Alberta's Child

Posted on 02/23/2007 7:45:02 AM PST by Alberta's Child

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To: Alberta's Child

Thanks for the post. From what I see the only true "red" conservative in this race is Duncan Hunter, and for numerous reasons he simply doesn't have the ability to carry the ball over the '08 line, especially when you figure our candidate is not only running against Hillary, but the ENTIRE Clinton political machine.


241 posted on 02/23/2007 10:18:13 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: panaxanax

Welcome to the growing club.


242 posted on 02/23/2007 10:18:56 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: hosepipe
Am starting to "Mark" pro Rudy McRomney advocates.. in my little red book..

But if you go marking lil' red books like Chairman Mao

You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow!

(Apologies to the Beatles)

243 posted on 02/23/2007 10:20:03 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Spiff

Outstanding post, Spiff,

Thanks for another fine effort in creating another list of truthful accounts of the facts, as they exist in the historic record.

This will further drive the RudyBots bonkers! LOL


244 posted on 02/23/2007 10:20:12 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Hydroshock
Welcome to the growing club.

You consider not voting for Rudy over Hillary to be a sign of 'growth'? Well, since you rarely post anything more intelligent or thoughtful than 'I will not vote for rino rudy', I guess that is the only kind of growth possible.
245 posted on 02/23/2007 10:20:19 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Corin Stormhands; TonyRo76
Voting for POTUS isn't the same as voting for Prom King.

*** At least our candidate is getting asked to the Prom. ***

Yes Corin, but only because he has his own dresses.


(TonyRo see my post #237, I should have pinged you then)

246 posted on 02/23/2007 10:22:03 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a 'Right Wing Extremist'.)
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To: Lakeshark
Exactly. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. It took.

I held my nose. I voted all Republicans. I now have a governor that thinks he is king. I won't worry about the least of the worst getting into office anymore. I will vote my conscience and accept that the Lord will put who He wants in office.

247 posted on 02/23/2007 10:22:05 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Registered
for numerous reasons he simply doesn't have the ability to carry the ball over the '08 line

He doesn't have the ability to gain a first down.

248 posted on 02/23/2007 10:22:41 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Nicely put.

Particularly insightful was the absence of certain photos.


249 posted on 02/23/2007 10:25:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: Alberta's Child

I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, only to have the gap between the two evils narrow each time I am presented a choice. I feel like the frog that was put into room temperature water and the heat slowly increased. We have now reached a point where I realize the water is hot and I am in danger. (...that the lesser evil is so close to the greater evil that my party's identity is lost.)

Is there no longer a home for those of us that see a difference between good and evil? For those of us that see that the founders based citizen's rights on a fundamental morality based upon a common consensus of what is right and wrong (that actually descended from a common belief in God)?

Ronald Reagan invited us into the party, along with Democrats that had a belief in morality. From the tone of the Rudy supporters, I guess our welcome is being withdrawn. Alienating those of us that hold socially conservative values removes the reason that those of us on both the right and left of other issues have to vote Republican. Without these votes, you must take a large number from the Democrats just to break even. When they see the candidates and see the same thing except for a percieved difference in their stance on the War on Terror, they are going to vote for the anti-war candidate. This is one of the unlearned lessons of 2006. When there is little perceived difference in the parties, most of those "moderates" that Rudy needs go home to the Democrat party candidate.


250 posted on 02/23/2007 10:26:19 AM PST by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: Registered

Vilsack droppped out today. I wonder who will be the first R candidate to face reality.


251 posted on 02/23/2007 10:26:39 AM PST by LimberJim (It says "Breakfast Any Time", right? I'll have the pancakes in the Age of Enlightenment.)
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To: Reagan Man
This will further drive the RudyBots bonkers! LOL

It isn't the content of the "SpiffSpam" that drives people bonkers, it's the constant thread spamming that happens. People aren't stupid here, being exposed to something over and over and over again (like the SpiffSpam) is juvenile and isn't swaying opinion. I liken it to holding one's ears and yelling "Lalalalalalala".
252 posted on 02/23/2007 10:27:20 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Condor51; TonyRo76
Yes Corin, but only because he has his own dresses.

Jealous?

JoinRudy2008 * Virginia is for Rudy * The Ward View

253 posted on 02/23/2007 10:27:42 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (If you don't support their mission, you don't support the troops.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good response:)

Humor says a lot about a person. :~)

I agree.

On abortion. You're right there too. That doesn't make it right tho, IMO. Bush's lack of more aggressive action on this issue thus far, is one of the main reasons, my support of him has cooled considerably. But just because politicians do nothing about it, doesn't mean, to me, that it is not an issue to be considered. Who knows that if a Pro-Choice person got in they wouldn't get active on the issue...I can't take a risk like that. Life is too precious.

That's kind of the same thing I think about the gun control thing...why give the opposing side even the slightest chance to get into power on such an important issue....As you said, they can say one thing thru the campaign and do just the opposite once they get in.

I don't consider gay rights a stupid and petty issue. The moral fabric of this country is unraveling faster and faster, why add to it. Gays need to get back in the closet and stay there, and stop corrupting our children.

Becky

254 posted on 02/23/2007 10:28:02 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
"but if he wins the nomination, I sincerely hope conservative weight the results of the election of either Hildebeast, Obama or Edwards."

REPLY:

There are a few on these threads who are playing the immature game of it's my ball and if you don't play by my rules I am going to quit and take my ball home.

In my opinion anyone who helps any of the the three Dimocrat socialist stooges you mentioned above to get elected are nothing more than traitors to their party, America and to future generations.

I say to these spoiled anti-Rudy at any cost posters.

Want more socialism and government interference then vote Dimocrat or stay home and be a WHINNY BIG BABY and suck on your thumbs by not voting.

In my opinion three fourths of a loaf is better than no loaf at all.

Dimocrats under Hellary, Osama Obama and Breckgirl will imperil Americas future and you can bet your LIFE on that.
255 posted on 02/23/2007 10:28:28 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, Dims Gone Wild, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Alberta's Child

Excellent post IMHO. I have not seen anyone else on FR who has said it better and I thank you for taking your time to put this coherent post together.


256 posted on 02/23/2007 10:28:44 AM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: LimberJim
Vilsack droppped out today. I wonder who will be the first R candidate to face reality.

I would say Hunter, but it's obvious by his choice of even attempting to run hasn't faced reality from the get-go.
257 posted on 02/23/2007 10:28:53 AM PST by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Alberta's Child

What an absolutely stunning piece of analysis, AC. There aren't enough superlatives to do it justice. Well done.


258 posted on 02/23/2007 10:30:32 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: LtdGovt

The3 number of peoiple who have publically stated they will go third party rather then vote for Rino Rudy is growing. It is time to dump this punk before he splits the aprty.


259 posted on 02/23/2007 10:30:49 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Abortion: I don't see abortion as an issue that any candidate, pro life or not, has made much of a difference on in all my years of following politics. It generates a lot of heat in debate, but once elected, most politicians have pretty much done all they can to avoid the issue.

You stepped in it:

Many misguided FReepers keep repeating this canard that the President doesn't have much to do with the Abortion issue. That statement is simply FALSE.

Let's review SOME of what each President has done for or against abortion from Reagan to Bush II:

President Ronald Reagan 1981-1989:
“My administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have meaning.” -President Ronald Reagan

President George H. W. Bush 1989-1993
“Since 1973, there have been about 20 million abortions. This a tragedy of shattering proportions.”

“The Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned.” -President George H.W. Bush

President William Clinton 1993-2001
President Bill Clinton said he has “always been pro-choice” and has “never wavered” in his “support for Roe v. Wade.” “I have believed in the rule of Roe v. Wade for 20 years since I used to teach it in law school.”

President George W. Bush 2001-Present
“The promises of our Declaration of Independence are not just for the strong, the independent, or the healthy. They are for everyone -- including unborn children. We are a society with enough compassion and wealth and love to care for both mothers and their children, to see the promise and potential in every human life.” -President George W. Bush

This utterly disproves the false notion that, once elected, the President doesn everything to avoid the issue or that it doesn't matter much or see much action.

260 posted on 02/23/2007 10:31:04 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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