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Persian Wars Battle at Thermopylae - 480 B.C.
Ancient History ^ | 3/12/07 | Ancient History

Posted on 03/12/2007 2:54:43 PM PDT by freedom44

What Was the Battle at Thermopylae?:

Thermopylae was a pass that the Greeks tried unsuccessfully to defend in battle against the Persians led by Xerxes in 480 B.C.Although the Spartans who led the defense were all killed (and may have known in advance that they would be), their courage provided inspiration to the Greeks, many of whom otherwise might have willingly become part of the Persian Empire (the relevant verb is "medize" from the word Mede). The following year the Greeks did win battles agains the Persians.

Persians Attack the Greeks at Thermopylae:

Xerxes' fleet of Persian ships had sailed along the coastline from northern Greece into the Gulf of Malia on the eastern Aegean Sea towards the mountains at Thermopylae. The Greeks faced the Persian army at a narrow pass there that controlled the only road between Thessaly and Central Greece. The Spartan general and king Leonidas was in charge of the Greek forces that tried to restrain the vast Persian army and keep them from attacking the rear of the Greek navy (under Athenian control). Leonidas may have hoped to block them long enough that Xerxes would have to sail away for food and water. Ephialtes and Anopaia:

Unfortunately for Leonidas, after a couple of days, a medizing traitor named Ephialtes led the Persians around the pass behind the Greek army. The name of Ephialtes' path behind the pass at Thermopylae (which means "hot gates") is Anopaea (or Anopaia); its exact location is debated.

Leonidas sent away most of the amassed troops.

THIS IS 300 the 'movie'

Greeks Fight the Immortals:

On the third day, Leonidas led his 300 Spartan hoplites (elite troops selected because they had living sons back home) plus the allied Thespians and Thebans against Xerxes and his army of "10,000 Immortals." (Not ONE MILLION) The Spartan-led forces fought this unstoppable Persian force to their deaths in order to block the pass long enough to keep Xerxes and his army occupied while the rest of the Greek


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Moral of story - Greeks lost.. Movie was a total fantasy.
1 posted on 03/12/2007 2:54:45 PM PDT by freedom44
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Movie was a total fantasy.

Never would have guessed it from the commercials =).

Seriously, this thing looks like a cartoon set on film. I doubt that the kids who will be attracted to this movie know or care anything about Greek or Persian history.
2 posted on 03/12/2007 3:00:08 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Dude. Did you even see the movie? Apparently not, because the 300 lost the battle and won the war there there, too.

Plus, the move was absolutely awesome if not 100% accurate in every detail.

3 posted on 03/12/2007 3:01:35 PM PDT by mbraynard
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You are totally kidding! I could have sworn I read in school that the Persians had huge armies of deformed lesbians, giant muscled gimps wielding clubs and greatswords, and mutant armored ninjamen that could not be killed.

Thank GOD you cleared that up.

4 posted on 03/12/2007 3:04:34 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
From your Link, the quoted number is 3 million invading force.

10,000 may well have been a certain division (army division) of immortals.

Even if it isn't the correct number of troops, 300 men against 10,000 still means that each man has to kill over 30 invaders each.
5 posted on 03/12/2007 3:04:41 PM PDT by PureTrouble
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To: freedom44

Remember.......Comic book......


6 posted on 03/12/2007 3:06:12 PM PDT by Dallas59 (AL GORE STALKED ME ON 2/25/2007!)
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To: freedom44

The Immortals were only a small part of the Persian army. They were the elite troops not used on ordinary tasks.


7 posted on 03/12/2007 3:07:13 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: freedom44

You guys are forgetting a critical fact. This battle gave the rallying cry to the anti-anti-gun folks.

When Xerxes told the Spartans to lay down their weapons, he was told "Molon Labe" (come and take them).

With the Dems in power in Congress, this is something to keep in mind.


8 posted on 03/12/2007 3:08:12 PM PDT by Disambiguator (If it sounds to good to be true, it's probably sarcasm.)
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Moral of story - Greeks lost.. Movie was a total fantasy.

What? The movie shows that the Greeks lost and all the Spartans were killed.

9 posted on 03/12/2007 3:09:33 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: freedom44

"On the third day, Leonidas led his 300 Spartan hoplites (elite troops selected because they had living sons back home) plus the allied Thespians and Thebans against Xerxes and his army of "10,000 Immortals." (Not ONE MILLION)"

This is a mistake. The Immortals were an elite force within the larger contingent variously estimated from some hundreds of thousands and as many as two million men. Xerxes drew troops from all over his empire, which, at the time stretched from Asia minor to India and to Egypt as well, so it is not beyond possibility for him to raise an enourmous force. The Immortals were essentially the palace gaurd, consisting of fanatically loyal and superbly trained soldiers. It was these that the 300 Spartans met with Leonidas and defeated. Only the betrayal of a Greek, giving away the secret of a pass that enabled Xerxes to encircle Leonidas, brought about the ultimate slaughter of the 300.


10 posted on 03/12/2007 3:10:56 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: freedom44

Not according to Historian Victor David Hanson who wrote about the famous battle & advised the makers of the movie for historical accuracy.


11 posted on 03/12/2007 3:12:25 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: PureTrouble

The 300 were able to defeat hugely superior numbers due to a combination of factors: they WERE superb soldiers and they had a fanatical tradition of fierceness and courage in the face of any foe. Finally, and perhaps most important, they defended a pass so narrow that it was impossible for the Persian forces to concentrate sufficient troops to overwhelm the 300. In the age of the sword and spear, your attack is only as good as the number of points you can present directly at enemy flesh. If the gap could be filled by a hundred men, the Persians could only face them with a hundred men at a time.


12 posted on 03/12/2007 3:16:38 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: PureTrouble

The 300 were able to defeat hugely superior numbers due to a combination of factors: they WERE superb soldiers and they had a fanatical tradition of fierceness and courage in the face of any foe. Finally, and perhaps most important, they defended a pass so narrow that it was impossible for the Persian forces to concentrate sufficient troops to overwhelm the 300. In the age of the sword and spear, your attack is only as good as the number of points you can present directly at enemy flesh. If the gap could be filled by a hundred men, the Persians could only face them with a hundred men at a time.


13 posted on 03/12/2007 3:16:44 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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Only the betrayal of a Greek, giving away the secret of a pass that enabled Xerxes to encircle Leonidas, brought about the ultimate slaughter of the 300.

Lemme guess...

Even though the traitor was Greek, would the traitor's name happen to be Pelosi or Murtha?
14 posted on 03/12/2007 3:18:01 PM PDT by adorno
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To: mbraynard

There were actually 1,300 defenders. 1,000 plus the 300 Spartans. I haven't seen the movie but historical accuracy isn't Hollywood's forte.

From the commercials I have seen of the movie trailer the Spartans look a bit like professional wrestlers and not the elite special forces that they were.


15 posted on 03/12/2007 3:18:03 PM PDT by tupac
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To: inkling
Actually, the Greeks at Thermopylae achieved their objective of providing sufficient delay for a strategic retreat by most of the Spartan forces. They were all volunteers for a suicide mission. The geography of the pass gave them a huge tactical advantage, until they were betrayed (in today's context, the alternate route around the pass would have been printed in the NY Times).

Despite losing Athens, the Greeks eventually prevailed at the Battle of Salamis.
16 posted on 03/12/2007 3:23:38 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Was it the Battle of Salamis or Bolognas?


17 posted on 03/12/2007 3:25:26 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Yes, I know.


18 posted on 03/12/2007 3:25:32 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: tupac
the Spartans look a bit like professional wrestlers

Hulk Hogan and Gorgeous George were there?

19 posted on 03/12/2007 3:26:38 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: adorno

Very good. Murtha, Pelosi, Durbin, Kennedy, Obama...

Equal Opportunity Treachery nowadays.


20 posted on 03/12/2007 3:27:08 PM PDT by JewishRighter
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