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Cho Seung-Hui's Plays (From his writing class)
AOL ^ | 17 April 2007

Posted on 04/17/2007 7:58:26 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln

AOL News has obtained two plays a classmate says were written by Cho Seung-Hui. Ian MacFarlane, the former classmate and current AOL employee, provided us with the plays. A note from Mr. MacFarlane and links to the works appear below......

(Excerpt) Read more at newsbloggers.aol.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: choseunghui; vatech; virginiatech; vt
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To: jordan8

I read one of those scripts. My guess is the English Department has blocked release of the note.


51 posted on 04/18/2007 12:52:43 AM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: Lando Lincoln
Am I crazy for feeling sorry for his parents and family? I hear they are in the hospital in shock. It is so hard to watch something like this distanced from it and watching the media overplay it, some so callously.

I'm not a big fan of Alan Colmbs but his radio show tonight on the subject was good. He took it into a different direction, an introspective humans. Colmbs is good on these sort of issues no matter what you think of his politics.

Sorry for the ramble. Guess the weight of all this is sinking in now.

52 posted on 04/18/2007 12:58:25 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: smalltownslick
My initial thought was 8th grade (that’s about the age when guys are obsessed with all the stuff he included in there) but maybe you’re right, it is fifth grade. A lot of gross stuff appeared to be there just for the sake of being able to say it.

When I was in college, I sometimes screened submissions for the literary magazine. I was on the newspaper, and the publications folks were a pretty tight little clique, so we helped each other out. A whole lot of college poetry, fiction and drama writers use heavy-handed profanity and shock language, because the wannabes suddenly realize that they can.

In terms of quality, Cho's writing is awful, but that doesn't particularly stand out. What does stand out is the level of rage in them. If a teacher -- who has to wade through this crap every day, and knows better than I what is unusual enough to be frightening -- tried to call attention to him, someone should have listened.

53 posted on 04/18/2007 1:10:02 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: sig226
My guess is the English Department has blocked release of the note.

Huh? It was found in his dorm room and it's evidence. How would the English department, or anyone at the school, have anything to say about it?

54 posted on 04/18/2007 1:23:09 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: BurbankKarl
"You caused me to do this..."

I guess this situation could be an extrapolation of the 'victimhood' mentality.

(When people take personal responsibility for their situation, blaming everyone else stops, more often than not, life improves, and the thought of a murderous rampage is ...well, unthinkable.)

Since this victimhood mentality is such a vital component of the liberal mindset, perhaps this offers insight as to the deep seated origins of their general hoplophobia.

55 posted on 04/18/2007 1:45:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: BJungNan
Am I crazy for feeling sorry for his parents and family?

No. I cannot imagine the horror they are experiencing. All I can do is offer my prayers for them.

56 posted on 04/18/2007 1:51:35 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: sig226
I read one of those scripts. My guess is the English Department has blocked release of the note.

I'll bet both the MSM and the University want to downplay the entire subject of the note.

Why? Because from what little we have heard about the note, the a-hole rails against RELIGION and RICH KIDS.

This is EXACTLY the crap he almost certainly would have absorbed in typical current English Literature teaching at a major American university.

Is someone out there scoffing? Try reading current issues of the leading academic journals for English Literature in this country. Learn what issues the members of the Modern Language Association seem to be obsessed with. You would not believe how much ideological garbage about race, class, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. pervades the academic climate.

Surely everyone will simply see through all the liberal/leftist b.s. that is spouted by these college professors, some will say? No, many don't. There are many, many ignorant students and weak-minded students and some simply disturbed individuals who grab onto all of this anti-American and anti-Judeo-Christian hatred that is peddled by these academics and make it their own gospel.

They need to release the note. Perhaps it's not full of the liberal political garbage about class and religion as I suspect. But we should know.

And by the way, I'm not "blaming" anyone but this a-hole kid for what he did. But just as the Unabomber was influenced by all of the environmentalist b.s. peddled by the liberals and leftists, we need to know if liberal and leftist propaganda influenced this kid so that we can better guard against its effects on others and better protect our families and communities in the future.

57 posted on 04/18/2007 2:29:01 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: GovernmentShrinker

From an NYT article

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/us/18virginia.html?hp “Lucinda Roy, an English professor, said Mr. Cho’s writing, laced with anger, profanity and violence, concerned several faculty members. In 2005, she sent examples to the campus police, the campus counseling service and other officials. All were worried, but little could be done, she said.

That's baloney.

I got banned from a university on the pretense that I was a "threat". Yes, I was angry and yelled at them. A university physician had abused his authority and stomped on my civil rights by having my driver's license suspended because I didn't agree with his diagnosis. (Which was later proved to be WRONG.)

The physician wasn't even my doctor, I had no appointment with him, and after the one time I did years before, I told the university clinic I never wanted to see him again.

The stupid university, ACLU, state, etc. didn't care about MY rights as an individual.

58 posted on 04/18/2007 2:36:33 AM PDT by Victoria_R ("Screw the law, carry the gun" - G. Gordon Liddy)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

This is EXACTLY the crap he almost certainly would have absorbed in typical current English Literature teaching at a major American university.

Is someone out there scoffing? Try reading current issues of the leading academic journals for English Literature in this country. Learn what issues the members of the Modern Language Association seem to be obsessed with. You would not believe how much ideological garbage about race, class, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. pervades the academic climate.

I would have scoffed two or three weeks ago, but in my quest to understand why Ron Moore trashed Battlestar Galactica, I read all this Media Theory stuff from academic journals and was surprised at just how "liberal" and degenerate it was.

And, worse, there was no rational thought; it was just "bash the status quo" and be obtuse, otherwise it wasn't considered "intellectual".

59 posted on 04/18/2007 2:49:29 AM PDT by Victoria_R
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To: BJungNan; Smokin' Joe
Am I crazy for feeling sorry for his parents and family? I hear they are in the hospital in shock.

Excuse me, but they raised the monster. They knew his warped character and did nothing. This wasn't a sudden snap one day. The guy had a history of weird behavior and disgusting writings. From everything we've heard about the creep, it shouldn't be a "shock" that he did any of this. Talking heads have asked neighbors about the family and no one seems to know them because they kept to themselves. Sounds like the parents's lawyer told them to rush to the hospital so they can claim "shock" and distress when they are questioned why they never sought treatment for their obviously highly distrubed son.

60 posted on 04/18/2007 2:50:48 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: ReignOfError

Small attempt at humor. If I was running their English Department, I wouldn’t want any more of this guy’s works to be made public.


61 posted on 04/18/2007 3:14:12 AM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: massadvj
The details of the insults, the depth of the hate, the persecution, and the theme of being helpless as wrongs are done by malefactors impressed me. They smack of a persectution complex. Everyone is motivated by hate or cruelty.

As far as the quality of the writing, technically, it is difficult to judge. Most of it is dialogue, so liberties with the language may be attempts at character. The attempt to portray character through angry words is an immature writer at work. Character comes out through action, and there is very little action in either piece. It's a common mistake.

A friend of mine teaches business at a university in New Jersey. On occasion, we'd have a couple of beers and he'd read some examples of what his students submitted for grades. I think he was trying to get me to come up with a creative way to say 'F.' Some of it is uproariously funny; I would have repeated at least a year of high school if I wrote papers like that. Grammar, spelling, and syntax are alien concepts to many students who were raised in English speaking households. But none of it rises to the level of anger in these two examples. I wonder what his other writings are like.

62 posted on 04/18/2007 3:58:59 AM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: Lando Lincoln

I imagine “McBeef” is being shopped around Hollywood as I type.


63 posted on 04/18/2007 4:58:49 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: TheBridge

I’m also curious about the note, isn’t it 3 or 4 pages long? I wonder if that’s what he was doing in the couple of hours before the shooting, writing and re-writing.


64 posted on 04/18/2007 6:32:31 AM PDT by fishergirl (My warrior, my soldier, my hero - my son. God bless our troops!)
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To: jackibutterfly
Anyone under 30, to some of us, are still kids. ;-)
65 posted on 04/18/2007 7:00:29 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: duckln

How do you know what Cho was taught? He most likely is to some extent familiar with the ten commandments. It almost sounds like you’re inferring that anyone exposed to a certain teaching, ie. “thou shalt not kill”, absorbs and conforms to that teaching. What about rebellion amongst young people, especially to conformities and parameters “taught” to them by anyone. It is unfair and unrealistic to blame the University, or any other, for that matter, for warping the values and beliefs already instilled in him before enrollment.

I understand after reading most of these posts that people seem to want someone or something to blame for this, and that’s a natural human response. The problem is that the issues and debates surrounding the arguments on this comment page alone arouse more anger and perhaps even hatred that may be misdirected, and the last thing we need in this tragic time is more hate being manufactured and aroused by the bellows of speculation and hasty conclusions.

This page is supposed to be comments about two plays that we know very little about. I have my own theories and inferences, but there’s not enough information here to conclude ANYTHING except our opinions of the content and the quality of writing of said works.

Does anyone have any idea when Cho composed these works? This information is critical, especially in relation to the psychiatric speculations regarding aspergers and such posted above. Let’s wait for more information and keep an open mind...


66 posted on 04/18/2007 7:45:27 AM PDT by SCasey77 (Jumping the gun...)
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To: sig226

Well said friend.


67 posted on 04/18/2007 7:45:29 AM PDT by SCasey77 (Jumping the gun...)
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To: Dallas59
FOX included....
 
Again, the media sells out America, trying to win the ratings war.
 
The pathetic 'ORGASMIC wet-pants drive-by media' ...want you to follow their playbook template, mouthing the gun grabbing libs and their minions.
 
 

68 posted on 04/18/2007 7:48:16 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Excuse me, but they raised the monster. They knew his warped character and did nothing.

I do not claim to know what they did or did not do, nor what they did or did not know. You make it sound as if they raised their child to be a notorious mass-murderer. I seriously doubt that.

At some point people start making their own decisions and this guy was in his 20s and a senior in college. Many people are raising children and holding down a job or two by that age.

He is responsible for his own actions, and blaming his parents is crap, not that they will not feel the shame and horror of his actions. Doubtless shallow thinkers looking for someone to point a finger at will blame them for his own adult actions.

But, this is America, and if you can't blame someone, how in the Hell can you sue them? Right?/sarc

69 posted on 04/18/2007 7:59:06 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ReignOfError
but his grammar and syntax appear to be at least competent,

This is why he was going to graduate. Most liberal arts professors are relativists, afraid to pass judgment on content lest they appear too judgmental. So they grade the grammar. This particular student was smart enough to have figured out the language without understanding anything about the nuances of the culture that the language is a part of. I'd be curious to know what his GPA was. I suspect it was in the mid 3's, which would shed quite a light on the nature of today's higher education system.

70 posted on 04/18/2007 8:11:37 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: Sender
if there are hundreds of gore fest scripts being written by college students on the level of “Richard McBeef”, then we may as well resign ourselves to picking the vegetables Americans don’t want to pick.

There are a lot of students out there who want to be the next Quentin Tarantino, and there are plenty of communications professors willing to push them in that direction. This kid's writings were no more shocking than a typical Tarantino script. The difference is pretty much in the the writer's having no depth of understanding as to what drives the characters to violence.

The line that separates "art" from "fart" is very, very thin these days.

71 posted on 04/18/2007 8:18:38 AM PDT by massadvj
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
This is EXACTLY the crap he almost certainly would have absorbed in typical current English Literature teaching at a major American university.

In high schools public *and* private across the country, freshmen were (and probably still are) required to read a book that involved a malicious and perverted father raping his daughter, then burying in the back yard the baby that she bore. She later went on to marry an abusive man, and found "rescue" in becoming a lesbian. Sorry for the shocking details - but this has been put forth to 14 and 15 year old kids as "literature."

(Can't guess which novel?)

Now we're shocked that an English major generates more of the same for class assignments?

72 posted on 04/18/2007 8:41:38 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: justa-hairyape

Very insightful commentary. Apparently he did have a reactionary response to just about every interaction. Most people don’t react with a Glock, thank God.


73 posted on 04/18/2007 9:33:22 AM PDT by Sender ("She is the friendly face of America; where Condi frowns, Nancy smiles." (Syria))
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To: Lando Lincoln

mark for later reading


74 posted on 04/18/2007 9:51:55 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Y'know, I've always thought of politics as show business for ugly people." Jay Leno:Al Gore 11/29)
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To: dawn53

Has anyone reported where he went to High School? I heard he spent some of his childhood in Detroit. Debbie Schussel has pictures of someone who looks just like him taken by a woman in Indonesia (home of largest Muslim pop. in the world). She refers to him as Ismail because his real name (Cho....) is too difficult to pronounce. He is smiling large in this picture. Other pictures of girls in head scarves.... following the dots..................


75 posted on 04/18/2007 9:56:18 AM PDT by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: Lando Lincoln


"He ranted against rich people, old white men and the culture of corruption.
Of course we're going to sue. That little rascal stole our talking points."

.


76 posted on 04/18/2007 10:01:27 AM PDT by OESY
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To: Sioux-san

He went to high school in VA. In fact, the same high school as one of his victims (the girl whose brother, sister and father were interviewed yesterday, can’t remember the name, but she was beautiful and a dancer.)

I think the Detroit connection is where the families entrance point on his Green Card was listed. I never read that he actually lived in Detroit.


77 posted on 04/18/2007 10:15:30 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Victoria_R

I do realize that excessive authority to haul people off to mental hospitals can be abused. I think the key issue is “privacy laws”. These laws are really in direct conflict with the First Amendment, and have the effect of preventing anyone from putting all the pieces of the picture together. This works against both those individuals who really need to be locked up, and those who are the target of a vindictive or unreasonably nervous person. If all the pieces of information about this young man could have been freely passed around between professors, administrators, counselors, police, and staff at the mental hospital where he was once taken, I’m sure it would have become clear that he was severely and dangerously disturbed, and needed to have responsibility for his mental health and his every day actions taken out of his own hands. In your case, free exchange of information would probably have had the opposite outcome — with assessments of the few who imagined you were really dangerous (or said so because they wanted to get rid of you for some other reason) offset by many more assessments that you were no threat at all, and that those who were “out to get you” had some other concealed agenda.


78 posted on 04/18/2007 11:57:51 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Victoria_R

For example, I seriously doubt that there was anything like this to pass around about you, but I also seriously doubt that this information about Cho had been freely passed on to anyone and everyone who was in a position to take action:

It emerged today that at one stage students were so scared of his behaviour that only seven out of 70 turned up for class, forcing lecturers to give him one-to-one tuition.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23393119-details/article.do


79 posted on 04/18/2007 12:00:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: SCasey77
Does anyone have any idea when Cho composed these works?

Just a lot of bla, bla, bla. Facts are, he did it. He didn't know right from wrong. Schools are to teach you what you missed or didn't get at home. And our public school systems don't do that any more.

Bush got it right at VT when only he mentioned a 'loving God'. Unsaid was that Islam does not have a loving God, nor do liberals, they are their own God.

Reagan and then Gingrich had it right in their attempt to dump the Department of education. It's long over due.

80 posted on 04/18/2007 4:40:45 PM PDT by duckln
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To: duckln

I think your comment about liberals being their own God is very close-minded. Just because they are not right-wing extremists doesn’t mean they are godless. Just as we saw in the shootings, extremity is not a good thing no matter what the subject is.


81 posted on 04/18/2007 6:31:30 PM PDT by merockstar
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To: mtbopfuyn

You do not have or have never been around a family that has a family member with a mental health issue. So I can see how you would develop your view. But, what do you do with a family member like that?

Seriously, what do you do? Take them to the hospital and say, here, take him? Force a mental institution to admit him and keep him there against his will? Call the police and have them lock him up?

Actually, the police will more than likely release him as soon as they find out he is mentally ill because they don’t want to deal with them. As long as he has not committed a serious crime.

So I ask again, what would you do if you have a sister, brother, son or daughter that had a mental condition? I ask quite literally and hope you will provide and answer.


82 posted on 04/19/2007 12:58:49 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

I am a therapist that works with children and young adults with Asperger’s Syndrom as well as other diagnosis on the Autism Spectrum. It seems that you are very familiar with this as well. When they described this person’s behaviors, I immediately wondered about Aspergers...


83 posted on 04/19/2007 11:00:00 AM PDT by laurabowser
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To: laurabowser

I have come to believe that there is not an autism epidemic. Rather all those children who somehow got through school without a diagnosis are either just lucky to have found themselves a supportive spouse and workplace or experiencing some degree of failure. For people who haven’t learned to cope or found help, the prognosis is very bad. Life can be a living hell. Included in the failed are the individuals who are being labeled depressed, narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths. How can you not go crazy when it is hard to understand what is meant or wanted, when you can’t tell what other people know, need to know, or feel, when you take things literally and don’t understand abstract words and concepts, perseverate, have no empathy, misread social situations, like objects more than people, feel constantly put down, become paranoid. I do feel someone trapped with this kind of brain - without a proper diagnosis and treatment early on - is going to explode. Autism is described as “morbid self-absorption”. And don’t be fooled - many are loquacious when they feel like it. I am a big proponent of early diagnosis and treatment of children with learning and social problems for this reason. Not helping them can be dangerous to us all. I think that is the proper diagnosis for Cho. That his parents “keep to themselves” may indicate that one or both are one the spectrum as well but making it, sort of. They may not have thought their son was too quiet because they are. I do not believe they are monsters. We need better assessment tools as quickly as possible.


84 posted on 04/19/2007 3:25:05 PM PDT by teachmemore
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To: laurabowser

Well you are right just on the news Cho’s grandparents have indicated that he was diagnosed with autism when he came to America in the 1990’s. They indicated he did not talk to his mom or his aunt and he was ‘very cold’ which explains his aloofness.

I taught stage 1 violent SEBD autistic children for 2 years and it was a living nightmare. The abuse those kids used to level on me for just telling them to sit down for their lesson. I was bitten, kicked, hit, chairs thrown at me, head butted, scratched, and all we could do was restrain them. I taught elementary level and it drove me out of the teaching profession as I’ve never experienced kids like that before. I can understand now how Cho became that way if he didn’t receive any social skills training as a child then most autistic children cannot develop on their own as a normal child would through observation and repetition.

Anyway the article about him being autistic was found on the following website http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/7101526.html

Also he seems like a typical Christain terrorist as everyone keeps trying to find the muslim link somehow but he’s going on about Jesus on the cross and being crucified and Muslims don’t believe that Jesus died on the cross. They believe that he was taken up to God and God put another man to die on the cross and gave the resemblence of Jesus. This Cho had serious issues and his parents should have helped get him the treatment he needed as he was internalizing everything.


85 posted on 04/19/2007 3:25:09 PM PDT by pebbles5
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To: BurbankKarl
"He also expressed disappointment in his own religion

Any mention on which religion that was?

86 posted on 04/19/2007 3:29:51 PM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: Types_with_Fist

That would be too controversial if they released that!


87 posted on 04/19/2007 3:32:49 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: pebbles5

Thank you for that link. Very sad that no one was working with him. Did his college not know about the diagnosis? This should be the case that teaches us all that we have to diagnos autism much younger and work with them very early on. The characteristic that causes them to be so cruel is LACK OF EMPATHY. This is not something we should ignore.


88 posted on 04/19/2007 4:51:46 PM PDT by teachmemore
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To: pebbles5

I am very interested in hearing about your experience. For one thing, the school had to have been nuts to give you more than one or two at a time. Did they? My question though is: What is SEBD ? Thanks


89 posted on 04/19/2007 4:51:56 PM PDT by teachmemore
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To: Lando Lincoln

Nice to see you again Lando.

Cheers,

knewshound


90 posted on 04/19/2007 6:49:00 PM PDT by knews_hound (Sarcastically blogging since 2004.)
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To: knews_hound

Thanks knewshound.......... it means a lot.


91 posted on 04/19/2007 9:16:29 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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To: mplsconservative

I just read online of Cho’s sister’s work while interning at the US Embassy in Bangkok, and discovering the plight of Burmese migrant workers on a field trip from there. It aroused in her very deep feelings for their plight, which means that even though her family started off very poor here, they fostered in her great feelings of empathy, and as is the norm of numerous people I have met from S Korea over the years - not all of them, but certainly noticeably some or a good number of them.

Clearly the apple did fall very far from the tree.

Reading, taken together all the bizarre sexual allusion and pun in his play, much of it so transparent that it could have been thought up by a kid in the eighth grade, it has me really wondering, with the highly intense ideation and obssession he expresses in his writing. Is his family Roman Catholic? Not that only priests from there are the only religious staff or educational capable of doling out sexual abuse, and especially to one who from the getgo was as vulnerable to God knows what influence as Cho was. There have been a number of priests in the northern Virginia area implicated in the recent or still current scandal, one who prominently had to give up he cloth for a more secular counselling service, and in which he also started messing around.

Cho’s family worked hard here, very hard, to have it some other way for their son. They, especially his father, may not have had the adequate time to be around, are to be attentive enough to some disturbing signals or influence form outside, but now is not the time to judge the family at all. Especially after the release of the videos, I can not imagine how much they are suffering this week, not to mention for the thirty-two who died at his hand. What I’ve read about them so far bears this out really quite well and convincingly.


92 posted on 04/20/2007 2:20:13 AM PDT by davidhs23
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To: justa-hairyape

Reactionary indeed. I just had a little or really a very real epiphany here, as I walked away from my pc then returned to it.

Accuse me of having really stepped off a ledge here or betrayed a little mild ideation of my own if you like, hahaha!, but I see in his Cho’s manner, affect, writing, and especially remindful one or two of his photos, something that is as much post-Abu Ghraib as post-Columbine about what happened at Va Tech now. Expert theory has it that Cho was not suffering a psychotic episode when he set about the killings on April 16th. I can now begin to also understand the level of intimidation he posed each classroom he entered in Norris. If I had the better physical strength than I do for this situation, had I been there, it might not have frozen me in my tracks, and one professor did try to take him on in the hallway and paid for doing so with his life, but I hope I have made one begin to see here a parallel between the intimidating interrogation procedures in our secret prisons and how Cho set about his actual killing.

All the business about Ishmail X, the theory about which I would most likely subscribe if I had to being the one how Moses and the Jews got it all wrong, as according to the Qu’ran, who should have picked up the inheritance at the end of the day, Isaac or Ishmail. That is, unless Ishmail AX is the brother of Emmanuel Ax (pianist and playing partner of Yo Yo Ma - bad joke!) ... The self-hatred that of which Cho was capable I think is more than any of us can fathom too.

How do readers feature here how close or far apart Bush’s official response is now, regarding violence in our schools, as how we should handle it, with that of Craig Scott? Hmmmmmm?

I can not quite entirely account or be responsible for how p.c. the post I have submitted here. :-), but, I guess, one aims to please, you know.


93 posted on 04/20/2007 2:20:41 AM PDT by davidhs23
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To: davidhs23
..but I see in his Cho’s manner, affect, writing, and especially remindful one or two of his photos, something that is as much post-Abu Ghraib as post-Columbine about what happened at Va Tech now.

If you do not mind me asking, which of his photos have tweaked your interest ?

Concerning the Abu Ghraib connection, what specifically about Cho caused you to make a link to torture at Abu Ghraib ?

94 posted on 04/20/2007 3:39:01 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

I cannot believe someone would be so ignorant as to suggest this sick SOB could have done any of this due to Autism in any of it’s many forms. As the mother of 2 Austistic twin sons, I find it reprehensible as well as insulting to say that. Show me in your links where it said an Autistic person has ever done something like this or that they are even prone to extreme act of violence like this. Research before you say something so offensive.


95 posted on 04/20/2007 4:01:34 PM PDT by crysdel2001
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To: crysdel2001

“I cannot believe someone would be so ignorant as to suggest this sick SOB could have done any of this due to Autism in any of it’s many forms. As the mother of 2 Austistic twin sons, I find it reprehensible as well as insulting to say that. Show me in your links where it said an Autistic person has ever done something like this or that they are even prone to extreme act of violence like this. Research before you say something so offensive.”

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A form of autism runs through my family too. I did not say “due to”; that is your reading between the lines. Like other members of the human family, people at various points on the autism spectrum have violent tendencies, some well restrained, others not so well. Acknowledging that fact is only offensive to those in denial about human nature.

I suggest facing up to the general occurrence of violent impulses in humans, autistic or otherwise, and recognizing that a deficient awareness of the challenges of communicating effectively with autistic persons may have contributed to the situation that led to the VT events. This is a more constructive approach than ignoring the possibility, or reacting with indignation at the suggestion. That which is not recognized tends to get overlooked or even neglected, until it becomes impossible to keep looking the other way, as in Cho’s case.

For some references, I suggest you start with:
http://www.netwellness.org/question.cfm/34318.htm
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=16075
http://www.pta.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=324&;
http://www.mukibaum.com/Parents/TWheatley.html
and then do some more Googling of your own.


96 posted on 04/23/2007 11:04:51 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Lando Lincoln

I bet it won’t be long before sickos are actually presenting these on some filthy stage somewhere.


97 posted on 04/23/2007 11:06:14 AM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: crysdel2001

Abstract of another article probably worth perusing if this is a concern of yours:

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/33/3/390


98 posted on 04/23/2007 11:10:42 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: crysdel2001

An example of what I call the “constructive approach” in posting #96:

http://thiswayoflife.org/blog/?p=49


99 posted on 04/23/2007 11:21:41 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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