Skip to comments.Cho sent photos and rambling letter to NBC.
Posted on 04/18/2007 1:29:40 PM PDT by harwood
Just heard anchorette report this on pMSNBC
It was at post #187. The picture has been pulled from the web.
OT....someone put a link to the norfolk botanical garden Eagle nest and well....mom and dad just arrived and it is soooooooo awesome
His parents own and reside in a $500,000 dollar home.
“They knew about the package today; they notified the FBI immediately. It was mailed at 9:01 AM on Monday”
aha correct...but Chris Matthews just asked Capus when he personally rec’vd the package and he said about 12noon. He informed the LEOs doing the investigating during their press conference...??between 3 30 and 4 or so.
Sure there is, it’s your fault — Patented Drudge headline. Did you hear the rantings shown on NBC tonight? If not terrorism, what do you call it?
Actually, it’s spelled “Ishmael” on the envelope.
I think terrorist takes on a certain connotation, don’t you?
Found it. Thanks.
Package was delayed a day because it was sent to 30 Rockefeller AVENUE instead of 30 Rockefeller PLAZA. Killer ALSO used wrong zipcode on package, which may have attributed to the delay.
This guy was an idiot. Anyone with a computer can get the proper address for NBC News in two seconds.
Average, in Centreville.
I agree. Or have it stipulated that any publicity must be negative, such as ridicule about looks, actions, clothing, IQ, etc.
Has this been posted? Very strange
597 this thread.
I would like to know why these psychos seem to pick April for their insane rages? McVeigh, the Columbine kids, and now Cho...I had heard that McVeigh chose April in commemoration of Hitler’s birthday...
The Islamic Change Movement both warned of the Flight 800 attack before it happened, and claimed credit for it after it was shot down.
You should familiarize yourself with these things before speaking so authoritatively on them.
Fairfax County VA is one of the richest counties in America. That would definitely place him in the bottom half to bottom quarter, probably, in home value at his High School.
I’d heard he was about 6 feet tall.
Do you know what it feels to be spit on your face and to have trash shoved down your throat? Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave?
Do you know what it feels like to have throat slashed from ear to ear? Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive?
Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon on a cross? And left to bleed to death for your amusement? You have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life.
Did you want to inject as much misery in our lives as you can just because you can?
You had everything you wanted. Your Mercedes wasnt enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces werent enough, you snobs. Your trust fund wasnt enough. Your vodka and Cognac werent enough. All your debaucheries werent enough. Those werent enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.
You said — “And it is just now being reported on FoxNews that the return address on the package to NBC was: Ismail Ax !”
Yep, and that’s been reported as (1) a physics formula, (2) a Turkish psychiatrist that deal with mental issues that he had, (3) some Islam cryptic message, (4) a game “handle” for the games he played online.
Yes, that sounds like a real Jihadi all right...
Go look at the slide of it at the PMSNBC website. It clearly says “A. Ishmael”
But he praises the Columbine killers and calls them heros. Not Islamists. So I think he saw himself aligned with them, not al-Qaeda
Hadn’t seen that. Can you suggest a thread?
his roommate on Hardball in 2 minutes said he was 5’7 and was surprised at the 6’ detail
He chose the exact anniversary of the Waco assault by the FBI.
And be careful - believing anything other than that OKC was done by Iraqis makes you a pariah around here. Interestingly while people love to make a huge deal of possible anniversaries of all terror attacks, in this specific case it never gets mentioned (Hard to see why Iraq or Islamic terrorists would care about the Branch Davidians.
Ck post #82, the pic is gone, but the caption that was written underneath is in the post, that's where I first saw the spelling Ismail.
That’s a good transcript - real DU stuff ...
You said — “Just saw on the DC local news there was a formal detention letter filed regarding him by authorities long enough for a DR to officially say he was mentally ill.”
I read a little bit more on that, later... It was reported that the form had a certain checkbox that was not checked, and it appears that it was that checkbox which might have made it necessary for reporting. But, since it wasn’t checked — it wasn’t reported.
It seems a bit too early to sort out all these details on what happened there. I think we’ll hear in another day or two...
Sure, it reminds me of Timothy McVeigh and how Bill Clinton went ranting on and one about domestic terrorism. No real difference between this guy and any other suicide bomber, but maybe motive. It doesn’t look like he was interested in establishing world Islam rule, although I question the inscription on his arm.
We will find out more about the exact nature of the terrorist and his true goals in the days following.
But TERRORIST nonetheless, how else do you assign his actions if it wasn’t to traumatize and terrorize people.
A nutcase rants and mass murders people and he is a terrorist? To achieve what political message? It is apparent that his intent was to teach a lesson, like many of these people do. Terrorists want much much more than that. Don’t make the mistake of putting all mass murders into the same box - it takes away from the real terrorists that have the power to destroy civilization.
Really. I didn’t know that. Source? Reason?
You said — “The package may have been mailed Saturday. Most post marks are from the Bulk Mail Centers. If he mailed from the Campus Post Office, it could have born a VT stamp, but this is not indicated nor known if the USPS allows this anymore.”
It was definitely mailed on Monday and has the time stamped (or really “written”) of 9:01 AM. The authorities have already talked to the guy who received the package and that was the only one he received from Cho.
The address and zip code were wrong, so it was delayed by one day, in arriving.
A lot of analysis about the obvious: He was nucking futs!
Return Address on package gave name of “A. ISHMAEL”.
What’s with the zip code crossed off 3 times. I guess he was kind of rattled when he wrote it...or is this a symptom of someone having some kind of schitzophrenic attack?
NBC will exploit the video for ad revenue ever so slowly. What I observed from Cho’s performance is that he was defending his shit writing. My immediate impression is that he is playing a character from his writings. Absolutely no schizophrenia, rather a narcissistic personality disorder with borderline paranoic delusions. As for the campus cops, they should have had Cho on a daily check purely on the basis of his menacing, hate-filled demeanor. When the first shooting took place it should have been standard procedure to pay a visit to Cho. It looks as though he was waiting to be arrested but no one showed up. All I know is that record numbers of students are going to be packing firearms and guns are flying off the shelves in campus community all over the country this week. It’s the only answer since jelly-spined administrations will not back up campus police in these threat situations. Our elites will not fulfill their role in society and nothing is going to change until the boomers have passed from history. Until then my daughter is getting weapons training before she goes to college, then it will be her decision. I’ll also be looking for schools that have armed security in all the buildings. No more sitting ducks. No more PC. Still thinking of playing the gun conrol card, Democrat party—or Mayor Bloomberg, for that matter?
Exactly. This was a classic spree killing.
I’d say both. Mix and match radicalism, on top of psychosis.
It's interesting him rambling about his "brothers and sisters" and what we did to them. He said that with an extra side of anger behind it.
I am pretty sure we are going to find out exactly what this guy was all about or what he perceived himself to be about, soon.
His anger was really driven, razor sharp hate.
I personally feel, for whatever his reasons, or mental state, he sympathized with everything against America, our religion and our system.
Too many people are trying to download this nuts video off the NBC website...
He was soooo columbine...
Little difference between Cho and DU poster...the hatred for the rich, etc.
He even mentioned those two boys by name.
I don’t, the message I see is it’s America’s fault. This is way past the garden variety mass murderer. The attack was well planned, likely choreographed by the prior weeks bomb threats to test response of the police, and he left the message of what he wanted to be seen as after he was done.
This is much more than mass murder ... He was sending America a political message, just like other terrorists do, no way to deny it.
Warned before and took credit? Please provide a legitimate source for this claim. Note that a legitimate source does not include a rambling on some conspiracy theorist website.
Yeah but, it was a town house ... I'm still waiting to hear if he had his own 'rice racer' (white acura with spoiler and aftermarket front end)
He was giving them a shout out...why not, he was on the same drugs.
I don’t know of any “classic spree” killers who left behind a video tape. I do know that it is a classic islamic suicide killer’s MO
You said — “So, in that way at least, it is like the jihadists....”
Well, I pointed out carefully, in another post yesterday that there is a big difference between what we see with certified nutjobs here in the U.S. and dedicated jihadis who have a religion and a philosophy that they follow with absolute dedication. There is a world of difference.
If you confuse the two, then you make the job of fighting the jihadis that much more difficult and you will not understand them, in order to fight them and beat them. They are not *nutjobs* but rather are following a dedicated religious and governmental philosophy, the same way those who were Nazis did and who followed the Emperor in Japan and those who towed the Communist line in Russia.
I suppose that people might called Nazis and Emperor worshipers and Communists and Jihadis all nutjobs — but that does not gain any understanding (in order to *know your enemy*) and is a great diservice.