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How to Shut Down the IRS(With The Fair Tax)
newsblaze.com ^ | By Congressman Jeff Miller

Posted on 04/19/2007 1:55:56 AM PDT by Man50D

The following is an address I plan to deliver on the House floor this evening regarding Tax Day.

Madam Speaker, many things change from year to year. Tax Day, however, is an exception. Every year, millions of Americans send much of their hard-earned money back to the federal government. Because of the numerous complexities that have become the U.S. tax code, many virtually need an accountant, and others just send in a large check out of sheer frustration, hoping to figure out the right number later on.

What is fair about our current tax code? Absolutely nothing. Is there a better solution? You bet. One answer can be found in the form of the Fair Tax, and it is a solution that helps Americans keep more of the money they earn and creates a more equitable system of collection. In short, the Fair Tax eliminates our current broken tax system and replaces it with a national sales, or consumption, tax to be administered by the states. When a hard-working American receives his paycheck, he actually gets to take it all home. Gone, too, are the estate and capital gains taxes.

I applaud Congressman Linder of Georgia for continuing his strong push for his bill H.R. 25, the Fair Tax Act of 2007. With its enactment, the national sales tax rate would be set at 23 percent beginning in 2009, at which point Americans would no longer be afflicted by the current tax system. Gone would be personal and corporate income tax, the gift tax, taxes on social security and Medicare, and even the infamous alternative minimum tax, which is estimated to hit 19 million Americans in 2006, a figure that could easily double in the next few years if nothing is done. In the case of the Fair Tax, the only people that pay more are those that choose to spend more.

Currently, and in part due to the tax cuts passed under the Bush administration, there are many valuable deductions in our current tax code that are fair and serve a good purpose. On top of the overall savings provided by the Fair Tax to the consumer, it would also permit exemptions from the tax for property or services purchased for business, export, or investment purposes and for state government functions. Nonetheless, this pro-family legislation allocates a sales tax rebate for certain families, based on family size and income. Every family would receive a rebate of the sales tax on spending up to the federal poverty level, plus an extra amount to prevent any marriage penalty.

Another important aspect of this bill is the provision to let the individual states choose how to administer the collection of consumption tax and redirect that funding back to the U.S. Treasury. Many states already have a sales tax, and so the existing state tax authorities will essentially carry on as before without the need to create additional bureaucracies. This system will also be instrumental in eliminating the "tax gap" that exists under the current system. Instead of the Internal Revenue Service waiting on taxes owed, with billions uncollected every year, the Fair Tax is collected at the point of sale. Once the Fair Tax is in place in 2009, funding to the IRS would be eliminated after fiscal year 2011, with taxes directed through a Sales Tax Bureau. Gone would be the days of the IRS spending millions of tax dollars each year just to track down uncollected taxes - the IRS itself would be gone.


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1 posted on 04/19/2007 1:55:58 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; PhilWill; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; ...

Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 04/19/2007 2:10:11 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
A 23% percent sales tax rate? On every purchase? Oh, that’ll happen.

This is over and above the small detail that the Demonrats are in charge of Congress, so any reform that doesn't make government bigger and more glorious will never see the light of day.

Fair tax = DOA.

3 posted on 04/19/2007 2:12:13 AM PDT by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Man50D

Sounds like a massive tax increase to me.


4 posted on 04/19/2007 2:16:23 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: Cheburashka
This is over and above the small detail that the Demonrats are in charge of Congress, so any reform that doesn't make government bigger and more glorious will never see the light of day.

People had the same skepticism concerning a woman's right to vote but a strong grassroots effort,similar to The Fair Tax, resulted in the 19th amendment.
5 posted on 04/19/2007 2:19:27 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

The only way this could work is if there was a constitutional amendment banning payroll taxes, income based taxes, toll roads, excise taxes, fees for service, and all of the other countless gimmes the federal and state governments have imposed over the years. Otherwise, they’ll just want more and they’ll take it. The lawsuit over the phone tax is a classic example. Some people paid that tax for sixty years. They got a $30.00 credit, if they knew enough to take it on this year’s 1040.


6 posted on 04/19/2007 2:23:23 AM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: Cheburashka
A 23% percent sales tax rate? On every purchase? Oh, that’ll happen.

Actually, it's 29.87% when stated as a normal sales tax rate.

If you are comparing it with an inclusive tax rate such as an income tax then it's reasonable to call it 23%, but most people think of sales taxes as exclusive, i.e., calculated on top of the sale, not as part of the sale price.

For instance, if you buy a $100 coat under the FairTax regime, you will pay a total of $129.87 with FairTax included, not $123.

The 23% inclusive rate comes from you paid $29.87 in tax on the whole $129.87 paid out ($29.87 / $129.87 = 23%).

I myself find it very misleading for fellow FairTax advocates to state a sales tax as an inclusive tax rate since virtually no other sales tax is stated as such. I am in favor of a national retail sales tax, but I am not in favor of trying to mislead anyone as to the actual tax rates involved.

7 posted on 04/19/2007 2:28:13 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Racer1
Sounds like a massive tax increase to me.

You obviously haven't read the H.R.25,S.1025 or visited Americans For Fair Taxation. I suggest you look at both before making anymore incorrect assumptions.
8 posted on 04/19/2007 2:28:17 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
I hope your comments made you feel good, because they do nothing to convince me that this will ever be anything more than a pipe dream.

Dream on, buddy.

9 posted on 04/19/2007 2:35:47 AM PDT by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Man50D

Ping


10 posted on 04/19/2007 3:18:06 AM PDT by PubliusMM (Just doin' my best to stay free and secure. God Bless our military personnel.)
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To: Man50D
A pipe dream it is. Unless, the present tax code, sunsets, 24 hours before any Fair or Flat tax is enacted, we just end up with the present tax and a new tax.

The Fair Tax advocates don’t understand among themselves what their tax will lead to, VAT.

11 posted on 04/19/2007 3:31:28 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Man50D

This will never happen. Any tax system the feds use is for the manipulation and control of the people first then for revenue collection.


12 posted on 04/19/2007 4:06:54 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: Cheburashka; Man50D
You should read up on the fair tax before slamming it. Currently, massive taxes are built up in the chain of production by the time a product reaches store shelves. The fair tax would eliminate those taxes.

Is it perfect? No system is, but it is a heck of a lot better than the current system which the pols use to reward favored constituencies and punish others. No worry about the Gestapo, er IRS taking your assets without court order.

Investments would be made on the simple desire to make a profit rather than be distorted by the need to avoid taxes.

IMO, the fair tax would unleash a productive era the likes of which have not been seen since before the 16th amendment.

13 posted on 04/19/2007 4:08:29 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Scotus - Buggering the Constitution since 1937.)
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To: Man50D

I’m willing to try anything that will replace this current tribute to Marxism tax we have now. I’m sure the various collectivists who live off the gestapo thievery will squeal, but I don’t care about them.


14 posted on 04/19/2007 4:35:29 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Ice-cubes melting in the sun is an act of God. Get over it, Gore.)
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To: Jacquerie

the fair tax would unleash a productive era the likes of which have not been seen since before the 16th amendment.

Until some politician figures out a way around the "Fair Tax" to promote his own agenda. We see end runs around the amendments to the Constitution alll the time.

15 posted on 04/19/2007 4:40:02 AM PDT by Sarajevo
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To: snowsislander

WRONG! Read the book. The $100 coat has an inbedded tax when you buy it. 23%. If That is removed the coat is actually 77 dollars. Now when you buy the coat add on the 23% and the coat is still a hundred dollars.Not 123.00 Want to get around that? Buy it used and no tax.Same with cars and the like.This is really a great idea because you can decide how much tax you pay not the other way around. Like I suggested. Read the fair tax book.Or you can go to FAIR TAX .ORG.


16 posted on 04/19/2007 4:48:25 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Jacquerie
At least with the income tax it has an upper limit. They can only confiscate 100% of your income.

What is there magic about a 23% tax rate? Why not 24%? Why not 50%? Why not 100%? How about 200%?

Answer: there is no magic, there is no limit. They can raise taxes incrementally until you wind up paying $20.00 in taxes to buy $10.00 worth of groceries. And they don’t have to stop there. The sky is the limit.

And the selling point will always be, “Oh, it’s only one more percentage point. How much can that hurt?”

I live in Illinois, and I already pay 8.75% in sales tax. So you’re talking 31.75%. Plus with the abolition of the Federal Income tax they will either abolish the Illinois income tax, or I will still have to go through all the April 15th gyrations in order to calculate my Illinois tax. No saving of my time then, is there? More likely they they would abolish the Illinois income tax and raise Illinois sales tax rates. What do you think the additional rate will be, 8%, 9%, 10%? Now we’re talking a 40% tax rate, and this is just at the introduction of our brave new tax world.

If you want there to be less of anything, tax it. And it will work with this as well. If you tax spending, people will try to avoid spending. Which will kill retailers, anybody who sells.

And the end of IRS audits? Forget it. Once over a third of their receipts are money that the retailer is collecting for the government, the tax audits will become worse, not better. Any mistake anybody selling anything makes on their sales tax returns will put them out of business. There's too much money involved.

I would suggest taking up the repeal of the 17th Amendment. That might actually improve things.

17 posted on 04/19/2007 5:24:09 AM PDT by Cheburashka ( World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Cheburashka

The 23% sales tax would replace the embedded taxes you already pay. The price of most retail items wouldn’t change (or change very little).

And while you’re right about the mentality of a Democratic congress, we can get the FT passed if we apply constant, relentless pressure to congress. The fact that the FT is now being discussed on the House Floor is proof of that.


18 posted on 04/19/2007 5:34:08 AM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: snowsislander

“For instance, if you buy a $100 coat under the FairTax regime, you will pay a total of $129.87 with FairTax included, not $123.”

That is completely wrong. You either haven’t read the Fair Tax plan (or the book that explains it) or you are deliberately misrepresenting it.


19 posted on 04/19/2007 5:40:41 AM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: navyguy
As a retailer I find that the worst taxing authority there is is the state sales tax folks. I hope we're not saying that they get the power to audit, audit, audit the fair tax, because they are truly just like the gestapo.

Also, I'm slightly confused. Lets say I sell a collectors piece of fine art for 10,000. If the tax is inside that number, who eats the 23%?

20 posted on 04/19/2007 5:55:16 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Superiority Compex Folks are Usually Inferior)
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