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Move to block emissions 'swindle' DVD [Global Warming]
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Posted on 04/25/2007 12:41:58 AM PDT by Omega Man II

Move to block emissions 'swindle' DVD

· Climate scientists say film misleads public · Wag TV producers reject 'contemptible gag attempt'

David Adam, environment correspondent

Wednesday April 25, 2007

The Guardian

Dozens of climate scientists are trying to block the DVD release of a controversial Channel 4 programme that claimed global warming is nothing to do with human greenhouse gas emissions.

Sir John Houghton, former head of the Met Office, and Bob May, former president of the Royal Society, are among 37 experts who have called for the DVD to be heavily edited or removed from sale. The film, the Great Global Warming Swindle, was first shown on March 8, and was criticised by scientists as distorted and misleading.

(Excerpt) Read more at environment.guardian.co.uk ...


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To: AndyTheBear
As did another volcano site, that gave a figure of about 33 billion tons per year for the volcanoes.

Make sure you aren't mixing up CO2 and SO2. Volcanoes emit about 25% of human SO2 emissions annually -- a big eruption like Pinatubo can almost balance the books in that year. The Swindle was wrong about CO2 and volcanoes, without doubt.

101 posted on 04/25/2007 1:21:27 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Recovering_Democrat; Zon; All
Please, tell me those NY Slimes and Slime Ragazine quotes are REAL

I hope they're real too! They look like actual quotes. I'm gonna RUB it in the faces of any global warming whiners I run into!

Slime/s Climate Timeline commentary:

"Ohhh noooo, we're gonna FREEZE to death!! No wait... We're all going to BURN!! Ummmmm.... No... No... We were right the first time... We're all gonna FREEZE!!! Welllll.... On fourth thought, We ARE gonna BURN afterall!!! Nevermind..."

102 posted on 04/25/2007 1:38:06 PM PDT by RogerWilko
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To: Omega Man II
The leftist liars can't handle facts and truth that dispute their lies and emotional rhetoric. The only way they can prevail is to suppress all dissent. The same leftists who practice this suppression of dissent are the first ones to wail when they want their opinions publicized. Hypocrites. Liars. Leftists. Oh, I'm repeating myself.
103 posted on 04/25/2007 1:57:21 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: capitalist229
Why would increasing temp cause increasing CO2 ?

Reduced solubility of CO2 in warming ocean water. Warm water holds less dissolved gases of all kinds. It takes a while for increased air temperature to cause increased water temperature. That is the reason for the lagging behavior.

104 posted on 04/25/2007 2:04:29 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: RogerWilko

LOL!

FWIW: it IS all gonna burn, just not for the currently-propounded reasons.


105 posted on 04/25/2007 2:05:02 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We are good, not because we are not tempted, but because we are tempted yet choose to be good.)
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To: cogitator; AndyTheBear
AndyTheBear>>The late 19th century and early 20th century direct measurements tend to disagree drastically varying from 280 to 550.

cogitator>Are you getting that from Zbigniew?

Sounds like Calendar/Slocum debate.

The varied, elevated, 19th Century measurements were conducted by chemical means, different from the Mauna Loa measurements. If you take a look at the corresponding measurements of oxygen concentrations from back then, they were supposedly lower than today's and fluctuating all over the place. The implication is that perhaps we're a bit better able to measure CO2 now than we were back then.

106 posted on 04/25/2007 2:26:59 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Omega Man II

Buy it while it’s hot!


107 posted on 04/25/2007 2:30:20 PM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: AndyTheBear; WildcatClan; cogitator
I think that any site that lists only 33 billion tons per year of CO2 is severely underestimating (even if it were a unit confusion between short/long/metric tonnes). A USGS estimate is 130 million tonnes per year.

Be sure you're not confusing billion with million. Volcanic activity is in hundreds of MILLIONS of tons/year. Human output is in tens of BILLIONS of tons/year. And recall...much of humanity's contribution is not from automobiles.

In any case, the total anthropogenic CO2 output is

108 posted on 04/25/2007 2:39:32 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; justa-hairyape
Sometimes, I tend to think these people just work for the oil or coal companies.

God forbid! Where? We can't have anybody work for the oil or coal companies, and if they do we surely can't have them express any opinions in the public square. Their opinions are simply not worth as much as those of scientists 'working' for the government or some foundation...

109 posted on 04/25/2007 2:39:40 PM PDT by mwilli20
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To: Gondring

uh...Callendar. Sorry.


110 posted on 04/25/2007 2:40:15 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

WEll, I’m not doing a great job typing today. That post wasn’t correct either. I meant “overestimating,” of course.


111 posted on 04/25/2007 2:41:33 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: D-fendr

Download it and make your own DVD, simple fast and saves gas.


112 posted on 04/25/2007 2:44:45 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Gondring
The implication is that perhaps we're a bit better able to measure CO2 now than we were back then.

But without dependable data from back then, how can we calibrate our technique of measuring the past CO2 levels? They are certainly more smooth, so I tend to trust them for finding relative change. But what about getting the actual amplitude right. The ice core folks seem to confidently account for a lot of "known" factors, and I don't doubt they are trying their best. But science is about testing your assertions--preferably by real world verification rather then making more complex assertions with computers.

113 posted on 04/25/2007 3:08:28 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Gondring; WildcatClan; cogitator
Thanks.

I think the USGS seems authoritative enough to trust on this one. It does seem the Global Warming Swindle documentary messed up with on that point. I hope they edit that part.

Side note: I'm probably going to be a way from FR at least a few days as work on stuff I actually get paid for. Its been fun poking my nose into this debate.

114 posted on 04/25/2007 3:30:23 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: RogerWilko; Recovering_Democrat
James Inhofe and Michael Crichton have made reference to the four flip-flops in climate change. In some detail. A Google search using two phrases should find them. Use the persons name as the first phrase. Use "global cooling" as the second phrase. IIRC, Crichton has quotes from papers and magazines of those eras. Also, the first link in my post with the quotes and graphs shows a 1930's magazine cover depicting the coming ice age.

Search: 
"Michael Crichton" "global cooling"

"James Inhofe" "global cooling"

"James M Inhofe" "global cooling"

115 posted on 04/25/2007 3:40:40 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Gondring

If you look at the notation the billions refer to total carbon output.


116 posted on 04/25/2007 5:38:10 PM PDT by steveab
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To: Bob

Trust me alkalinity in pool chemistry is a mystery all unto itself. But I wonder if it wouldn’t have common characteristics with alkalinity in other water mediums, i.e. sea water.


117 posted on 04/25/2007 7:03:21 PM PDT by redangus
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To: Bob

Pool Chemistry 101:

Total Alkalinity (TA)

Total alkalinity is closely associated with pH but rather than a measure of hydrogen ion concentration it is a measure of the ability of a solution to neutralize hydrogen ions. Expressed in parts per million (ppm), total alkalinity is the result of alkaline materials including carbonates, bicarbonates and hydroxides - mostly bicarbonates. This acid neutralizing (buffering) capacity of water is desirable because it helps prevent wide variations in pH whenever small amounts of acid or alkali are added to the pool. Total alkalinity is a measure of water’s resistance to change in pH.

Total alkalinity should be maintained in the range of 80 to 150 ppm.

If total alkalinity is too low:
pH changes rapidly when chemicals or impurities enter the water. pH may drop rapidly, causing etching and corrosion.

If total alkalinity is too high:
pH becomes difficult to adjust. High pH often occurs causing other problems such as; cloudy water, decreased disinfectant effectiveness, scale formation and filter problems.


118 posted on 04/25/2007 7:06:35 PM PDT by redangus
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
a smaller call and fluorescent light bulb will mean the end of civilization as we know it.

What's hilarious is that you think a smaller call and fluorescent light bulb will do anything to affect the temperature of the planet.

119 posted on 04/25/2007 7:11:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: cogitator
Actually, markedly incorrect -- one of numerous points on which the program was egregiously in error.

Only if you believe in Martian Fairy dust.

120 posted on 04/25/2007 7:14:42 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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