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Confiscation of Registered Guns Begins in Illinois
Illinois State Rifle Association ^

Posted on 04/27/2007 7:25:59 AM PDT by bad company

The Chicago Police Department and the Illinois State Police have teamed up to make good on Mayor Daley's pledge that, if it were up to him, nobody would have a gun. Daley and his elite "CAGE" unit are apparently taking advantage of gun privacy loopholes to pinpoint certain individuals for inclusion in the confiscation program.

The ISRA is following up on leads in one case that has disturbing implications. An elderly first-generation Chicago resident was recently paid a visit by an Illinois State Police trooper. After asking to come inside the man's home, the trooper asked if the man owned a gun - to which he replied yes. The trooper then directed the individual to surrender the firearm. The man complied with the officer's demand and the trooper left with the gun. And the story gets better...

The gun in question was purchased legally by the man in the 1970s shortly after he became a U.S. citizen. When Chicago's infamous gun registration scheme went into effect in the early 1980s, the man registered the firearm as per the requirement. However, over the years, the fellow apparently forgot to re-register the firearm, and forgot to renew his Illinois FOID Card.

So...what does this all mean?

In the last edition of The Illinois Shooter, we reported on the activities of a shady taskforce known as the Chicago Anti Gun Enforcement (CAGE) unit. This elite squad, operated jointly by the Illinois State Police, the Chicago Police Department, and the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, supposedly exists to identify illegal gunrunners. However, information gained by the ISRA makes it clear that the CAGE unit is targeting law-abiding citizens, not criminal gunrunners.

Thanks to a ruling by a liberal federal judge, the CAGE unit now has the name of every single person in the United States who, since 1992, lawfully purchased more than one handgun in the period of a week. The CAGE unit also has all the makes, models and serial numbers of those guns. In essence, the Chicago Police Department is now registering guns and gun owners nationwide.

The ISRA has also learned that the CAGE unit has compiled a list of families where more than one person in that family holds a FOID card. Acting on that information, the CAGE unit is now contacting gun shops where those families have shopped, and is illegally registering all guns purchased by those families.

Now, it appears that the CAGE unit is scrubbing Chicago's gun registration list against the list of FOID card holders. Indications are that folks who have let their registrations and FOIDs lapse will have their guns confiscated. We have to wonder how long it will be until state troopers show up at the doors to confiscate the guns of non-Chicago residents who have let their FOIDs expire.

More later as this story develops.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; cage; chicago; communism; gungrabbers; molonlabe; secondamendment; selfdefense; socialism
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To: Papabear47
I have four LEO relatives and only one is against private firearms ownership,and he is a retired Illinois State police captain.Of the other twenty or more LEO’s that I know none of them think honist citizens should be denied 2A rights.At the police range of which I am a member(not a cop)they thin kmore people should practice as much as I do especially some of their fellow officers.

That's been my experience also. I have also shot at Sheriff run ranges, and the Deputies were always very helpful and pro-gun. I have also met LEOs who are members of local NRA Members Council, and NRA Instructors teaching shooting classes to the public. They might enforce laws they disagree with, but that doesn't mean they are anti-gun rights.

161 posted on 04/28/2007 3:55:17 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est.)
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To: bad company

I agree this is wrong but people should keep their FOID ID’s current.

Is it really difficuilt? If it is explain.

How do you go about doing it?


162 posted on 04/28/2007 3:57:55 PM PDT by dleecomeback07 (Of all the words of tongue and pen the saddest of these are what might have been)
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To: bad company

I agree this is wrong but people should keep their FOID ID’s current.

Is it really difficuilt? If it is explain.

How do you go about doing it?


163 posted on 04/28/2007 3:58:02 PM PDT by dleecomeback07 (Of all the words of tongue and pen the saddest of these are what might have been)
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To: Lurker
An FOID is the Firearm Owners Identification Card.
In Illinois it is illegal to possess or purchase any firearm, ammunition, powder, or primers without having a valid one in your possession.


Illinois officials are unconstitutionally claiming it is illegal to possess or purchase any firearm, ammunition, powder, or primers without having a valid one in your possession.

And US officials are unconstitutionally allowing Illinois officials to violate their constitutional oaths to support & defend the US Constitution.

It's time.

164 posted on 04/28/2007 4:19:56 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: IncPen; BartMan1

More lunacy from King Richard and minions


165 posted on 04/29/2007 3:45:17 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: bad company

If they want and take the guns of private citizens then theoretically there would be no need for the cops to carry guns either. Anyone think even one of the cops would give up his right to protect himself?


166 posted on 04/29/2007 3:55:22 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: navyblue
Don't know where you're from, but if you did that in California you would find yourself behind bars.

Yet another reason not to live in California..

167 posted on 04/29/2007 5:15:51 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: navyblue; elkfersupper
...in California...someone merely being on your property would never stand as a defense if you blew him away.

In Texas, someone merely being on your property (without permission) would never stand again.

God bless Texas!

168 posted on 04/30/2007 6:38:19 PM PDT by inneroutlaw
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To: Centurion2000

Other than living in the state of Maryland, I do not wish to be placed in a database that in some unknown future they know I have weapons. Based on this Chicago story that is not an unreasonable fear.

I would rather have open carry allowed as in Virginia, so if you had a gun on your hip and your jacket is open you do not have to worry about the brandishing violation.


169 posted on 05/01/2007 6:23:15 AM PDT by fernwood (those who sacrifice freedom for safety, get neither)
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To: wastedyears

If you live in your fathers house, you better have his permission to store a gun in his house since that is his property and he is legally responsible. If you live in your own place then you have the ability to purchase a gun as long as your record is clean.


170 posted on 05/01/2007 7:06:23 AM PDT by fernwood (those who sacrifice freedom for safety, get neither)
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To: FourPeas
What a surprise: registration is used for confiscation.

That History Channel special on Gen. Sherman the other night revealed that he used U.S. Census data to locate where to find forage and confiscate material on his march through Georgia. I never imagined that.

171 posted on 05/01/2007 7:27:03 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: FourPeas
Thanks to a ruling by a liberal federal judge, the CAGE unit now has the name of every single person in the United States who, since 1992, lawfully purchased more than one handgun in the period of a week.

It is not a case of registration, per se. What it is is that the BATFE has required firearms dealers to report multiple handgun purchases in the space of one week by the same buyer at the same dealer.

That is the list they are using.

I'm on it, (class of 2006), for buying two pistols at a gunshow on the same day from the same vendor.

I have a CWP, and the dealer I bought my M1A from is now defunct (over insurance issues after a robbery), so I figure I'm on their list anyway.

172 posted on 05/01/2007 7:35:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: bad company
I've read the Illinois statutes carefully.

To purchase a firearm or ammunition requires a current, unexpired FOID.

To transport a firearm on a public right of way, other than in disassembled condition, requires a current, unexpired FOID.

To possess a firearm in other cases requires a FOID that has been issued by the Illinois State Police. That the "current, unexpired" requirement is explicitly stated two places involving overt action, and is not stated in the passive case of mere possession, would suggest to me that someone whose FOID expired be forbidden from purchasing guns and ammo, and would be required to disassemble his firearms for transport, but would not violate the law by his mere possession.

I did a net search awhile ago for court cases on the issue and didn't find any, but given the rule of lenity it would seem an honest judge should throw out the charges on statutory grounds alone.

173 posted on 05/01/2007 9:23:57 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: bad company
Now, it appears that the CAGE unit is scrubbing Chicago's gun registration list against the list of FOID card holders.

Funny, we never hear about these big city pols similarly scrubbing voting registrants.

174 posted on 05/01/2007 9:27:53 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Neither will I !


175 posted on 05/01/2007 9:30:32 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Neither will I !


176 posted on 05/01/2007 9:30:33 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: supercat
...it would seem an honest judge should throw out the charges on statutory grounds alone.

Surely you jest. This is Chicago. The law is what King Richard says it is. An honest judge in this town? Surely you jest. Oh, I already said that.

177 posted on 05/01/2007 9:32:01 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown
Surely you jest. This is Chicago. The law is what King Richard says it is. An honest judge in this town? Surely you jest. Oh, I already said that.

Does King Richard control the IllSC? They've dealt with a number of firearm issues on statutory grounds, generally somewhat reasonably. The interpretation of the statute I've proffered would be both consistent with the text and logical. Further, in the case of people who are arrested more than 31 days after they can prove that they filed their FOID application (e.g. because the check cleared more than 31 days previously), the defendants should have the right to argue that the only their actions could even remotely be construed as criminal is that the state itself violated the law.

178 posted on 05/01/2007 9:49:50 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: bad company

So, as the Progressive Marxist Gestapo goose steps down the streets of Cicero Blvd. How many will go to jail or die with their weapons in their hands.
I wonder how soon Chicago will have their “Night of Broken Glass”?


179 posted on 05/01/2007 10:26:02 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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