Skip to comments.Carter seeks to split Evangelicals from Israel support
Posted on 05/10/2007 1:33:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
Former President Jimmy Carter recently has stepped up his efforts to split the bonds between Evangelical voters and Israel. From The Jewish Week:
Wading into the delicate fray over the alliance between Jews and pro-Israel Evangelicals, former President Jimmy Carter last week reportedly said it was a mistake for Jews to accept such ties, and that he was working to convince Southern Baptists to change the way they look at Judaism and the Middle East.
Christian Zionists can be better friends of Israel by challenging its government's policies, while accepting Judaism as a legitimate path to God, Carter told a group organized by Rabbi Michael Lerner in California last week, according to the rabbi.
"He said it was a terrible error for Jews to become allied with Christian Zionists who actually desire our conversion or burning in hell," Rabbi Lerner related in an interview Tuesday.
The alliance between Jewish and Evangelical Christian supporters of Israel has grown over the years. Evangelical support for Israel is often misunderstood and in some cases maligned-it comes often from the most noble of reasons. Regardless of one's views, this support has been very important.
The International Fellowship of Christian and Jews, headed by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, has been in the forefront of building these links and raises many millions of dollars from Evangelical Christians to help Jews around the world who are in need. Christians United for Israel has become a politically influential voice for Israel around the nation. In an era during which Israel has lost support in many quarters, this support from Evangelical Christians should be welcomed. Yet, there are forces developing that are not attempting to erode this support. I wrote about this dynamic earlier in this article, "Splitting the Evanngelicals from Israel".
What is wrong with this guy?
I no longer believe that Jimmy Carter is a Christian. I always found it hard to swallow, but now I believe his true religion is socialism, which, by it’s nature, is anti-Christian. I’m not sure where he will spend eternity, but that moment can’t come too soon for me. (I will probably have to repent for saying that, but it’s how I feel.)
I don’t know who is worst Ohlmet of Israel or Jimmy Carter
Is me or what but does that guy look like Sam Kinison in Back to School
The person who will “burn in Hell” is ol Jimmah for maligning Israel and for losing Iran to the wackos.
Smart Evangelicals will tell Carter to go pound sand.
Sadly, some so called Evangelicals are slowly drinking the Kool Aid being served up by the Carter’s of the world.
I didn’t say that it was but factually we the U.S. are the only nation that truly supports Israel in current times.
Zech 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped.
The key word in this is ALL we are a nation and when we turn on Israel and fight against it will fulfill the prophecy.
So in fact Mr. Jimmy Carter is attempting to make the U.S. turn against our friend Israel.
I'm sure Gary North would be glad to put all his disagreements with Carter on hold for the sake of this most important issue.
We're out there, Jimmy.
I would love to have an email address for Carter....let him know what REAL CHRISTIAN’S think of Him.
Ahmanutjob, the current spokesman for the Iranian government also believes that nonsense.
Somebody ought to check out Jimmuh's association with fringe Moslem groups.
Sad to say, he’s a confused old fool.
ROFL now that funny Monk
However, the local churches own their own property, and, unlike what we are seeing in the Episcopal church, don’t have to sign over their assets if there is a doctrinal dispute with anybody - SBC or CBF.
I’m not taking up for the SBC in this debate. It is no surprise to me that all this drama came about within a few years of the attempt by the SBC a few years ago to evangelize the entire world and get the gospel to everybody. No sooner than that started, and here comes the controversy. I’m no theologian, but I know who was behind this (”Could it be SATAN?”, he said through pursed lips. YES!)
I wish I could find a Baptist church that preaches God’s Word, uses the Baptist Hymnal not PowerPoint, and has a pipe organ. I’d join in a heartbeat.
Concerning property: I am close friends with several men who have had to battle the SBC over property when the churches decided to remove themselves from SBC rolls. Seems that many years prior, there was financial assistance in the building of facilities, but that all debts had been paid by the local churches. Evidently, titles had not been cleared up, and the SBC tried to keep the properties when the churches wanted to leave the fold. Those several cases have all been resolved in favor of the local churches involved, but SBC big boys did try to use intimidation and threat of loss of property when the churches wanted to have their names removed.
I think that with comments like that he should lose any secret service protection this man has fallen off of his rocker. He was one the worst presidents in history and now he is being mr monday morning quaterback to foreign policy?
So sorry, Jimmah, ain’t gonna happen so go hammer some more nails.
sure starting to look like a toss-up ...
amen ... just agreed with another FReeper on that guy
Carter is a demon possessed evil man...a wolf in sheep’s clothing and anyone who listens to him SHOULD go to hell (but that’s only MY opinion).
I hope he doesn’t mind the heat cuz I don’t think God wants to be anywhere near him in heaven...
By Judgement Day, it will be too late. What they do with Jesus while they’re yet alive is what counts toward their salvation. I wish they would be saved and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem every time I think of the Jews. God loved them no matter what. I’m reading Judges now and am amazed at how He continually rescues them after they did evil in God’s sight. That’s how much He loves them, then and now.
We’ll repent together. Now, one—two—three...
His inner child is angry?
Come on, fess up. You're really Dr. Phil, aren't you? Currently lurking through FR in disguise...
Proverbs 16:27 An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.
Proverbs 16:28 A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends.
When it comes to the demonic duty roster, I'm pretty sure that possessing Carter isn't exactly a plum assignment.
I'll pop for the pennies to put on his eyes. I just want to make sure that the S.O.B. doesn't come back!
Someone please throw a swamp rabbit at Jimmuh. This guy is absolutely the worst excuse for an American I have ever had the displeasure to be aware of. He should go build himself a house in the PA with a big sign on top that says, “IAF Strike Here”.
You know, something hit me like a ton of bricks the other day. The Priests and the Levites in Jesus’ time supposedly spent their time studying the Scripture, but when Jesus came they had no clue who was standing in their midst. They committed the ultimate blasphemy by accusing Him of blasphemy! So much for men's opinions!
Bill Bennett “Morning In America” bump!
Sheesh. This guy gets more blatant by the day. What next, Jimmy Carter’s Goose Step your way to fitness Video?
3 of the 6.
This made me laugh. Thank you. Maybe we should abbreviate it, though, it takes a long time to type.
Well, this Evangelical would like to see Carter split. Right. Down. The. Middle.
I think we’re saying similar things, with you being much more eloquent.
You said — “By Judgement Day, it will be too late. What they do with Jesus while theyre yet alive is what counts toward their salvation. I wish they would be saved and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem every time I think of the Jews. God loved them no matter what. Im reading Judges now and am amazed at how He continually rescues them after they did evil in Gods sight. Thats how much He loves them, then and now.”
Certainly by the time someone shows up at the “Great White Throne Judgement” (Revelation 20), then it is definitely too late. That’s for the final judgement. That takes place about 1,000 years after Christ has returned to earth and has been in His Millennial Reign, the Kingdom of God on this earth.
But, there is another event at the beginning of the Millennial Reign of Christ (a 1,000 years earlier than the Great White Throne Judgement), in which “national Israel” — all those Jews who are alive at that particular time) will *all* be saved, because they immediately recognize Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, as He is returning at that moment.
However, even though “all Israel” will be saved at that time — for the last 7 years *prior* to that time — about 2/3 of Israel was killed. What is left, is that “remnant” and that represents just 1/3 of Israel, when Jesus returns, setting up the Kingdom.
Thus, those 2/3 who perished, of those, whoever did not accept Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, before they perished, would be lost forever at that point in time.
So, there are several things going on around this time period.
And since no one knows whether they will personally (individually) survive, or be one of those 2/3 who will perish, one cannot count on being alive to welcome the return of the Messiah at that time. If they “guess wrong” and they perish first, while thinking that they will, instead — “wait and see first” — then that would be a big mistake for them.
That’s why it’s important for all of them to know about the true Messiah of Israel, along with all the Gentiles, too.
In terms of what it actually represents, in that God goes to such extreme measures to save Israel and also to have preserved it over the many, many centuries — is not simply love. Of course, He did love the entire human race, enough to reach out to us all, first, in offering the Savior, the Messiah of Israel for a sacrifice and a payment for our sins, even though we did not necessarily want it. That’s true for all, Jews and Gentiles.
However, with Israel, the reason why God preserves it and has protected it so much, as He has — is basically God chose them to *show the world* who He was and to use them for that example. That’s a *negative* and a *positive* example.
And since God had already declared what He would do in showing who He was (to the world) through the people He picked (namely the Jews) — God was simply keeping to His word — primarily, as His *highest goal*. In other words, God’s honor and righteousness and holiness is *paramount* — above all else, including who Israel is — simply because God’s word stated what He was going to do and He would always remain true to His word, regardless of who Israel was.
In fact, God tells Israel that they are actually “nothing special”. He says that He did not pick them because of any special attributes that they had. He simply picked them as a “chosen people” to be the “display” to the world of who *God* was (and is) — and not who Israel was (and is).
Even though He loves Israel, He loves them as much as He does the rest of the world. God’s main concern is to show Himself righteous and holy and that what He says is going to be — *will be* — just as He says.
Israel’s evil deeds (or their good deeds) have nothing to do with God’s holiness or righteousness, or His plan of Salvation. He accomplishes that, in spite of Israel — not *because* of Israel.
Israel does have a special place in God’s plan and we recognize that. However, it’s only because God picked them to be the example, to show that God can *sovereignly pick* anyone — as much as He picked Israel. This shows much more about God, than it does about Israel.
Yes, you’re right. Thanks for elaborating on that. I know they have a chance when they finally see their Messiah, Jesus. Many others will as well after the ‘rapture.’
This made me laugh. Thank you. Maybe we should abbreviate it, though, it takes a long time to type.
Thanks for the compliment. "PF" for short?