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Carter seeks to split Evangelicals from Israel support
American Thinker ^ | May 10, 2007 | Ed Lasky

Posted on 05/10/2007 1:33:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Former President Jimmy Carter recently has stepped up his efforts to split the bonds between Evangelical voters and Israel. From The Jewish Week:

Wading into the delicate fray over the alliance between Jews and pro-Israel Evangelicals, former President Jimmy Carter last week reportedly said it was a mistake for Jews to accept such ties, and that he was working to convince Southern Baptists to change the way they look at Judaism and the Middle East.

Christian Zionists can be better friends of Israel by challenging its government's policies, while accepting Judaism as a legitimate path to God, Carter told a group organized by Rabbi Michael Lerner in California last week, according to the rabbi.

"He said it was a terrible error for Jews to become allied with Christian Zionists who actually desire our conversion or burning in hell," Rabbi Lerner related in an interview Tuesday.

The alliance between Jewish and Evangelical Christian supporters of Israel has grown over the years. Evangelical support for Israel is often misunderstood and in some cases maligned-it comes often from the most noble of reasons. Regardless of one's views, this support has been very important.

The International Fellowship of Christian and Jews, headed by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, has been in the forefront of building these links and raises many millions of dollars from Evangelical Christians to help Jews around the world who are in need. Christians United for Israel has become a politically influential voice for Israel around the nation. In an era during which Israel has lost support in many quarters, this support from Evangelical Christians should be welcomed. Yet, there are forces developing that are not attempting to erode this support. I wrote about this dynamic earlier in this article, "Splitting the Evanngelicals from Israel".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antisemite; carter; carterlegacy; dajooz; israel; proisrael; saudishill; worstpresidentever; zionism
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To: West Coast Conservative

What is wrong with this guy?


101 posted on 05/10/2007 4:29:39 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I no longer believe that Jimmy Carter is a Christian. I always found it hard to swallow, but now I believe his true religion is socialism, which, by it’s nature, is anti-Christian. I’m not sure where he will spend eternity, but that moment can’t come too soon for me. (I will probably have to repent for saying that, but it’s how I feel.)


102 posted on 05/10/2007 4:32:52 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I don’t know who is worst Ohlmet of Israel or Jimmy Carter


103 posted on 05/10/2007 4:33:35 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: kcvl

Is me or what but does that guy look like Sam Kinison in Back to School


104 posted on 05/10/2007 4:34:17 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: wideawake

The person who will “burn in Hell” is ol Jimmah for maligning Israel and for losing Iran to the wackos.


105 posted on 05/10/2007 4:37:17 PM PDT by juliej (vote gop)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Smart Evangelicals will tell Carter to go pound sand.

Sadly, some so called Evangelicals are slowly drinking the Kool Aid being served up by the Carter’s of the world.


106 posted on 05/10/2007 4:39:10 PM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

High Volume. Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel. or WOT [War on Terror]

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107 posted on 05/10/2007 4:42:11 PM PDT by SJackson (Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die, R. Garroway, UNWRA director, 8/58)
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To: gakrak

I didn’t say that it was but factually we the U.S. are the only nation that truly supports Israel in current times.

Zech 14:2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped.

The key word in this is ALL we are a nation and when we turn on Israel and fight against it will fulfill the prophecy.

So in fact Mr. Jimmy Carter is attempting to make the U.S. turn against our friend Israel.


108 posted on 05/10/2007 5:04:03 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Leaving Iraq to defend itself against Al-qaeda is like asking a fetus to protect against abortion.)
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To: justiceseeker93; Alouette
Hmmm. Carter should join the Birch Society. They're trying to replace Zionist Fundamentalism with an anti-Israel, Rushdoonian post-millenial dominionism. And besides, they're trying to bring Charles Lindbergh back to life.

I'm sure Gary North would be glad to put all his disagreements with Carter on hold for the sake of this most important issue.

109 posted on 05/10/2007 5:15:19 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Koh 'amar HaShem: 'Arur hagever 'asher yivtach ba'adam vesam basar zero`o, umin-HaShem yasur libbo!)
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To: justiceseeker93; Alouette
Wait a minute--is Carter telling Evangelicals that Israel is bad, or telling Jews that Evangelicals are bad, or both?
110 posted on 05/10/2007 5:17:44 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Koh 'amar HaShem: 'Arur hagever 'asher yivtach ba'adam vesam basar zero`o, umin-HaShem yasur libbo!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Guess Jimmah hasn't heard of Christians United for Israel.

http://www.cufi.org

We're out there, Jimmy.

111 posted on 05/10/2007 5:32:23 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I would love to have an email address for Carter....let him know what REAL CHRISTIAN’S think of Him.


112 posted on 05/10/2007 5:53:56 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: tomnbeverly
If that's what Jimmuh Kkkarter is up to, then he belongs to that quite small gang of quasi-Christians who believe in word magic as well as the idea that Judgment Day can be advanced as a consequence of human acts.

Ahmanutjob, the current spokesman for the Iranian government also believes that nonsense.

Somebody ought to check out Jimmuh's association with fringe Moslem groups.

113 posted on 05/10/2007 5:59:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: West Coast Conservative

Sad to say, he’s a confused old fool.


114 posted on 05/10/2007 6:10:26 PM PDT by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: SevenofNine
"Is me or what but does that guy look like Sam Kinison in Back to School"


115 posted on 05/10/2007 6:40:39 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus

ROFL now that funny Monk


116 posted on 05/10/2007 6:41:23 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: John Leland 1789
The position of the Moderates was that the Inerrantists were trying to promote a hierarchy or impose a formulaic doctrine on Baptists. This, as you know, for a denomination that emphasizes “the priesthood of the believer” and has local congregational control, is a big no-no.

However, the local churches own their own property, and, unlike what we are seeing in the Episcopal church, don’t have to sign over their assets if there is a doctrinal dispute with anybody - SBC or CBF.

I’m not taking up for the SBC in this debate. It is no surprise to me that all this drama came about within a few years of the attempt by the SBC a few years ago to evangelize the entire world and get the gospel to everybody. No sooner than that started, and here comes the controversy. I’m no theologian, but I know who was behind this (”Could it be SATAN?”, he said through pursed lips. YES!)

I wish I could find a Baptist church that preaches God’s Word, uses the Baptist Hymnal not PowerPoint, and has a pipe organ. I’d join in a heartbeat.

117 posted on 05/10/2007 7:02:51 PM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: GadareneDemoniac
I understand, and I understand the “priesthood of the believer” and local church autonomy, and the other historic Baptist distinctives (I am teaching a series on the distinctives even currently), but I will say this for anyone who might be reading this. The distinctives mean absolutely nothing without a Scriptural base, and if there is no inerrant Bible, then we’re all just full of men’s traditions and opinions, anyway, and we are doomed and are of all men most miserable. But I take it that you agree with that.

Concerning property: I am close friends with several men who have had to battle the SBC over property when the churches decided to remove themselves from SBC rolls. Seems that many years prior, there was financial assistance in the building of facilities, but that all debts had been paid by the local churches. Evidently, titles had not been cleared up, and the SBC tried to keep the properties when the churches wanted to leave the fold. Those several cases have all been resolved in favor of the local churches involved, but SBC big boys did try to use intimidation and threat of loss of property when the churches wanted to have their names removed.

118 posted on 05/10/2007 7:36:27 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: West Coast Conservative

I think that with comments like that he should lose any secret service protection this man has fallen off of his rocker. He was one the worst presidents in history and now he is being mr monday morning quaterback to foreign policy?


119 posted on 05/10/2007 7:43:30 PM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: West Coast Conservative

So sorry, Jimmah, ain’t gonna happen so go hammer some more nails.


120 posted on 05/10/2007 7:47:56 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: montag813

sure starting to look like a toss-up ...


121 posted on 05/10/2007 7:55:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: Alouette

amen ... just agreed with another FReeper on that guy


122 posted on 05/10/2007 7:56:12 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Carter is a demon possessed evil man...a wolf in sheep’s clothing and anyone who listens to him SHOULD go to hell (but that’s only MY opinion).


123 posted on 05/10/2007 8:02:19 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Calvin Locke

I hope he doesn’t mind the heat cuz I don’t think God wants to be anywhere near him in heaven...


124 posted on 05/10/2007 8:12:18 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Star Traveler

By Judgement Day, it will be too late. What they do with Jesus while they’re yet alive is what counts toward their salvation. I wish they would be saved and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem every time I think of the Jews. God loved them no matter what. I’m reading Judges now and am amazed at how He continually rescues them after they did evil in God’s sight. That’s how much He loves them, then and now.


125 posted on 05/10/2007 8:16:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

We’ll repent together. Now, one—two—three...


126 posted on 05/10/2007 8:18:42 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Popocatapetl
"...Carter suffered from this niacin deficiency disease, whose psychological effects include depression and violent blind rages. Likewise, there is reason to suspect that it could have long term neurological effects. As a reaction to his inner turmoil, this might also explain his obsessive desire to be loved and to be seen as a compassionate person. But it also explains his bitter hatred of those who thwart his schemes. I suspect that his strongest hatred...

Ooh-kay!

His inner child is angry?

Come on, fess up. You're really Dr. Phil, aren't you? Currently lurking through FR in disguise...

127 posted on 05/10/2007 9:01:16 PM PDT by BlueDragon (..the weather is here, I wish you were beautiful ;))
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To: Salem
One big ol nasty, fire breathing dragon, seeing how many corners he can start small fires in, how much he can destroy. Be gone I say.

Proverbs 16:27 An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.

Proverbs 16:28 A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends.

128 posted on 05/10/2007 9:19:10 PM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: muawiyah
On the other hand he's keeping demons entertained who'd otherwise be bothering other people.

When it comes to the demonic duty roster, I'm pretty sure that possessing Carter isn't exactly a plum assignment.

129 posted on 05/10/2007 10:04:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("I AM A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!!!" --http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0439.html)
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To: Gideon Reader
He (the cheap bastard) probably wont tip the boatman either.

I'll pop for the pennies to put on his eyes. I just want to make sure that the S.O.B. doesn't come back!

130 posted on 05/10/2007 10:13:19 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("I AM A SEXY SHOELESS GOD OF WAR!!!" --http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0439.html)
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To: Salem
I'll give ya Bump HONK for that!
131 posted on 05/10/2007 11:14:25 PM PDT by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: West Coast Conservative

Someone please throw a swamp rabbit at Jimmuh. This guy is absolutely the worst excuse for an American I have ever had the displeasure to be aware of. He should go build himself a house in the PA with a big sign on top that says, “IAF Strike Here”.


132 posted on 05/11/2007 4:38:00 AM PDT by unionblue83 (Note to Dems:"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser." -Gen. Patton)
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To: John Leland 1789
That’s really sad. You can’t serve God and mammon, can you? Whoever said that sure knew what He was talking about.

You know, something hit me like a ton of bricks the other day. The Priests and the Levites in Jesus’ time supposedly spent their time studying the Scripture, but when Jesus came they had no clue who was standing in their midst. They committed the ultimate blasphemy by accusing Him of blasphemy! So much for men's opinions!

133 posted on 05/11/2007 4:53:25 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Salem

Bill Bennett “Morning In America” bump!


134 posted on 05/11/2007 7:07:27 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: West Coast Conservative

Sheesh. This guy gets more blatant by the day. What next, Jimmy Carter’s Goose Step your way to fitness Video?


135 posted on 05/11/2007 7:12:05 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: massgopguy

3 of the 6.


136 posted on 05/11/2007 7:15:43 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Ace's Dad

This made me laugh. Thank you. Maybe we should abbreviate it, though, it takes a long time to type.


137 posted on 05/11/2007 2:59:03 PM PDT by pharmamom (Did you steal my tagline? I seem to have misplaced it; I know it was here somewhere...)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Well, this Evangelical would like to see Carter split. Right. Down. The. Middle.


138 posted on 05/11/2007 3:01:15 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Star Traveler

I think we’re saying similar things, with you being much more eloquent.


139 posted on 05/11/2007 3:44:22 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Marysecretary

You said — “By Judgement Day, it will be too late. What they do with Jesus while they’re yet alive is what counts toward their salvation. I wish they would be saved and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem every time I think of the Jews. God loved them no matter what. I’m reading Judges now and am amazed at how He continually rescues them after they did evil in God’s sight. That’s how much He loves them, then and now.”

Certainly by the time someone shows up at the “Great White Throne Judgement” (Revelation 20), then it is definitely too late. That’s for the final judgement. That takes place about 1,000 years after Christ has returned to earth and has been in His Millennial Reign, the Kingdom of God on this earth.

But, there is another event at the beginning of the Millennial Reign of Christ (a 1,000 years earlier than the Great White Throne Judgement), in which “national Israel” — all those Jews who are alive at that particular time) will *all* be saved, because they immediately recognize Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, as He is returning at that moment.

However, even though “all Israel” will be saved at that time — for the last 7 years *prior* to that time — about 2/3 of Israel was killed. What is left, is that “remnant” and that represents just 1/3 of Israel, when Jesus returns, setting up the Kingdom.

Thus, those 2/3 who perished, of those, whoever did not accept Jesus as the Messiah of Israel, before they perished, would be lost forever at that point in time.

So, there are several things going on around this time period.

And since no one knows whether they will personally (individually) survive, or be one of those 2/3 who will perish, one cannot count on being alive to welcome the return of the Messiah at that time. If they “guess wrong” and they perish first, while thinking that they will, instead — “wait and see first” — then that would be a big mistake for them.

That’s why it’s important for all of them to know about the true Messiah of Israel, along with all the Gentiles, too.

In terms of what it actually represents, in that God goes to such extreme measures to save Israel and also to have preserved it over the many, many centuries — is not simply love. Of course, He did love the entire human race, enough to reach out to us all, first, in offering the Savior, the Messiah of Israel for a sacrifice and a payment for our sins, even though we did not necessarily want it. That’s true for all, Jews and Gentiles.

However, with Israel, the reason why God preserves it and has protected it so much, as He has — is basically God chose them to *show the world* who He was and to use them for that example. That’s a *negative* and a *positive* example.

And since God had already declared what He would do in showing who He was (to the world) through the people He picked (namely the Jews) — God was simply keeping to His word — primarily, as His *highest goal*. In other words, God’s honor and righteousness and holiness is *paramount* — above all else, including who Israel is — simply because God’s word stated what He was going to do and He would always remain true to His word, regardless of who Israel was.

In fact, God tells Israel that they are actually “nothing special”. He says that He did not pick them because of any special attributes that they had. He simply picked them as a “chosen people” to be the “display” to the world of who *God* was (and is) — and not who Israel was (and is).

Even though He loves Israel, He loves them as much as He does the rest of the world. God’s main concern is to show Himself righteous and holy and that what He says is going to be — *will be* — just as He says.

Israel’s evil deeds (or their good deeds) have nothing to do with God’s holiness or righteousness, or His plan of Salvation. He accomplishes that, in spite of Israel — not *because* of Israel.

Israel does have a special place in God’s plan and we recognize that. However, it’s only because God picked them to be the example, to show that God can *sovereignly pick* anyone — as much as He picked Israel. This shows much more about God, than it does about Israel.


140 posted on 05/11/2007 4:20:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Yes, you’re right. Thanks for elaborating on that. I know they have a chance when they finally see their Messiah, Jesus. Many others will as well after the ‘rapture.’


141 posted on 05/11/2007 4:58:46 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: pharmamom
Re: The peanut farmer who must not be named...

This made me laugh. Thank you. Maybe we should abbreviate it, though, it takes a long time to type.

Thanks for the compliment. "PF" for short?

142 posted on 05/12/2007 11:27:58 AM PDT by Ace's Dad ("There are more important things: Friendship, Bravery...")
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