Posted on 06/08/2007 4:17:56 AM PDT by rickdylan
I went back and reread what you wrote, and I reiterate.
Here’s another post. Provide the stats on the number of children that become serial killers because they shoot animals. I am sure you know what you are spouting here, and I’d like to see the proof.
The number of licensed hunters in every state is available on the internet. All state wildlife agencies have these, including a breakdown of how many youths hunt.
I will apologize, if I read your post wrong. But I think what you are saying is that kids that harvest animals (rather than fat lazy ones that get their prepackaged meat in tubs of hormone ingested meat from the store) are more prone to kill people, become serial killers.
I’d like to see your stats and research on this. I think you have ingested too much animal rights BS.
And yes, some animal species do kill larger animals and leave meat to rot. Heck, I’ve seen my domesticated housecat kill all kinds of critters just for fun. I don’t think people should do this, but I think this girl provided wildlife management dollars (by buying a hunting license) that goes towards wildlife management, and the meat is not wasted, locals benefit from the dollars and meat.
However, I think in this paticular story, the unspoken truth is that hungry Africans get to eat the meat from the elephant. And I know for a fact big game hunters provide a lot of food and $$$ to hunt in these African places, dollars that keep some folks from killing elephants to sell on the black market, poaching animals indiscriminately.
BTW, how much money has, say, the Humane Society of the U.S, ever contributed to wildlife management in this, or any country?
Check into it sometime, you will be surprised.
This was one of the most unbelievable experiences in my life. The people, their life styles, and their use of the land is absolutly incredible. I learned a great deal about what and how they hunt.
If another hunter wanted to hire me to film his safari I would do it again. The time away from my family was tough however the experience was remarkable.
For those on this thread who have not looked into how a hunting safari is set up and what happens to the animal after it is killed needs to educate themselves first. Then and only then will you fully understand why the local villages need this type of culling.
80-lb bows were not uncommon 15 years ago but the newer bows are efficient enough that nobody figures they need to be set over 70 lbs for anything in North America. What’s rare is girls who can shoot them and pretty girls who can shoot them are even rarer.
You missed my humour by a country mile!LOL!
We arrived at Old Faithful on April 20th just in time to watch a big grizzly heading north (away from the visitor's center). We were too late to catch a picture as he disappeared into the brush. We saw another grizzly walking between the road and river when we departed northbound toward Madison Junction. It may have been the same bear. I did get a picture that time.
Farm-raised meat animals are raised for the express purpose of slaughter. Whether that slaughter is done with a bolt gun or an arrow is morally immaterial.
“terrifies and deeply disturbs” the elephant? ? ?
Anthropomorphism, anyone?
Given that natives, from the diminutive Pigmy on up, killed elephant since “the memory of man runneth not to the contrary”, your plaintive bleat about “terrified elephant” arguably is many thousands of years too late.
Elephant are also wild animals and as such have been subject to predation when young or weak.
The natural world is not the Garden of Eden, where predator and herbivore live in peace and harmony. Animals do not often die in peace, they are killed by predators and that end is neither painless nor “terror free”.
One can enjoy the complexities of animal behavior, and still recognize and accept that one is, in the final analysis, playing with one’s food.
The issue in such “observations” is whether one waxes anthropomorphic and becomes one of the animal rights, pro-ESA types and thus is directly blamable for the debacle of the Kenya elephant herd decimation OR whether one accepts the complexities of life and restricts one’s anthropomorphic tendencies.
The latter belief structure leads to the South African management model.
Got elephant?
;-)
“When you’re firing into a herd, you’re gonna hit something.”
Clearly, you have never hunted anything other than a mosquito or perhaps a roach.
The first thing a hunter learns is that shooting into a group produces:
1. Holes in the air.
2. Lots of sound (muzzle blass).
3. Lots of fury (missed ‘em all! #&*)G&%$!).
Try flock shooting birds with a shotgun - “and the birds flew on”.
ANd, don’t forget what happens to a hapless hunter who pokes a sleeping elephant with a sharp stick.
Think “moist sticky spot on the ground”. Corection, “red, moist sticky spot on the ground”.
Short range to a herd of elephants, a bit different than birds. I am just a bit mad at her for reasons you've seen posted by others. But yes, I hunted deer, elk and a few kinds of birds. For eating, of course.
Wondering here what the good is of typing out on a forum that the meat is eaten every time when fabian will not read it!
Would you insist that farmers eat ALL of the food they produce??
Where is there a deer hunting season in September?
I see, you have to read down to where she finally tells her whole story. The locals ate it, so that's cool. Sad it took so long to die, but it doesn't look like they had much choice with a lot of other angry elephants around. The only thing I don't like now is leaving it. The injured animal could have walked off anywhere, never to be seen again.
Still, hell of a shot, especially from a woman with that big bow. See those biceps?
Sorry, I should have looked for the whole story. Shooting the elephant with a bow and arrow so it has to die slowly is pretty cruel though. I have nothing against hunting but that strikes me as an ego trip; when a well placed high caliber bullet will do the job very quickly.
Right, only dolled-up 93 pound females in bikinis should be honored in our society.
That's someone's daughter, by the way. Idiot.
My understanding is that local villagers are told about it and transported to the area, everything is used. Pretty gutsy killing an elephant with a bow. I haven’t hunted in years but will try for black bear this fall with a muzzleloader. State law requires using the entire animal, I’m planning on sausage and roasts. And of course a nice rug and skull.
Please educate yourself of the effectiveness of the bow and the arrow in taking game. Here are some highlight for you.
1) Arrow shot game die by bleeding only. There is no shock value as in a bullet. Therefore a properly placed arrows kill quickly and efficiently. (That is why this woman is to be commended for getting close enough to not miss.)
2) I would suggest you read an essay by Dan Quinlen called Deed Don't Die in Bed. Dan interviews several hunters that were accidentally shot with broadhead tipped arrows. The one common theme among them was that they found out they were bleeding before they knew they were shot. There are many stories where deer after being shot with a bow continue feeding not knowing they have been shot.
3) I know a lot of bow-hunters and can tell you first-hand that most kill very little game, compared to gun hunters. We are self policing our ranks to educate bow-hunters to wait for a sure killing shot. I personally have let hundreds of deer walk by because the shot was too iffy.
4) Also, you should know that the fastest way to be out of favor with the bow-hunting crowd is to not consume, or have consumed, the animal harvested. With a few exceptions most bow-hunters will not tolerate waste.
So your wholesale attack on bow-hunting is unwarranted.
"...a well placed high caliber bullet will do the job very quickly."
Same argument for a well place arrow.
Deed = Dead
No! Deed = Deer. I go to go back to work and get some rest!
Actually, some now believe that Orwell’s story may not have been the story of an actually killing. He wrote a lot of “non-fiction” type of observations that were not factually true. That was a popular style of writing at the time. But he really caught the look and feel of mob action behind the story, didn’t he?
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