Girl takes down elephant with 83-lb bow

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[jeddavis]

1) Arrow shot game die by bleeding only. There is no shock value as in a bullet.

Granted most African nations do not allow the use of mechanical broadheads, but those Aftershock mechanicals have damned near made firearms obsolete for hunting. They claim they're getting ten second kills on cape buffalo with their 125-gr points and I've had one big deer take four steps and collapse as if from a heart attack or stroke using one of the 85-gr Aftershocks, so that the claim doesn't seem preposterous.

[george76]

Thanks for your ping.

[unspun]

I will apologize, if I read your post wrong. But I think what you are saying is that kids that harvest animals (rather than fat lazy ones that get their prepackaged meat in tubs of hormone ingested meat from the store) are more prone to kill people, become serial killers.

Once again, you're shooting at the wrong target, ga.

[FremontLives]

Go f**k yourself if you can’t take a joke.

[stimpy17]

My, what a healthy looking young lady.
Check out the smile.

[DungeonMaster]

Actually she reminds me of my daughter. They make fun of her at work because she has big strong arms “guns” and works so hard.

[Cooter]

Necrofellatio.

[mjolnir]

“The Most Dangerous Game” is a great short story, but I think part of its greatness is that it gives an imaginative reason for the psychopathic serial killer as opposed to a more realistic and banal sort such as Hannah Arndt found to be the case in her studies of Nazis.

Healthy animals kill each other leave much of the carcass behind all the time-— not to mention the fact that they play with their prey. Just watch a housecat around a mouse.

I doubt what you say about serial killers is correct. If it was, the number of serial killers would have been greatest in societies where children hunt for fun in addition to any other reasons—— yet the number of serial killers has grown while the practice of hunting, for fun or whatever other reason, has not.

You might have had a point if you changed “hunting” to “torturing”-— John Stuart Mill thought so. While I doubt Mill had any empirical evidence to that effect, either, I would distinguish hunting from, say, dog fighting such as Michael Vick is suspected of promoting. Hunting keeps the worlds of human and animal separate, so that the confusion you speak of is unlikely, whereas people who raise animals as pets only to mistreat them are closer in psychological terms to mistreating a member of his or her family.

[unspun]

Do you really believe I wrote that serial killers get their start by hunting?

[mjolnir]

Do you really believe I wrote that serial killers get their start by hunting?

Well, you wrote that "Killing animals for the fun of it as children, however, is often how serial killers get their practical start." So yes, I do believe you wrote that--- since you did write it. Obviously, you meant it as a joke, but without a sarcasm tag, I was helpless to comprehend it... all of which goes to show that, however much said tags dilute jokes, they do serve a purpose for lunkheads like myself. I guess to me, you sounded like Matthew Dowd, the former Bush speechwriter who wrote Dominion; my mistake.

[unspun]

Serial killers tend to get their start in part, by killing animals for the enjoyment, yes. It's a part of the psychological interview process with suspects, to ask.

This of course is very different than healthy hunting (including food, or in rare cases, for culling or protection of livestock). Killing for a mere "trophy" is somewhere in between.

It's all about what exactly one gets his "joy" from -- and that dictates what one does, and how he does it.

[mjolnir]

I fail to see why someone who hunts and kills an animal is therby obligated to eat or otherwise “not waste it”-— either way seems, to me at least, an equally “healthy” form of hunting.

Are you sure that there’s any statistical connection at all to serial killers and sport hunting?

[unspun]

Are you sure that there’s any statistical connection at all to serial killers and sport hunting?

Are you sure you stopped beating your wife?

Don't play childish games. Life's too short.

[mjolnir]

I wasn’t playing games, but guess I missed the sarcasm or metaphor you were using again-— it truly seemed to me as though you were making a claim about hunting animals when it is done purely for sport, as opposed to hunting for food, to cull the herd, to protect livestock, etc., with hunting for the sake of gaining a trophy being not quite as bad as the rest, and that said claim was of there being a connection between a statiscally significant group of serial killers and the least “healthy” form of hunting-— that while virtually no hunters were serial killers, a statistically significant number of serial killers had hunted purely for sport, so much so that asking about this was part of the standard psychological interview of such people.

[unspun]

At least you come to the point of clearly begging the question — to assert that “hunting” down animals just for for the pleasure of finding and killing them, without even any residual value is “sport.”

Glad you don’t feel the same way about people — or the neighbor’s petunias.

[fabian]

I wasn’t attacking bow hunters...jeez..I was responding to a poster who was referring to the story and that the elephant took a while to die. Was that not true? I would have read the whole story myself but I didn’t want to go through all of the posts in the link. It still seems to me if that elephant had taken a big bullet to the head he would be out immediately whereas an arrow to such a large animal is going to take a while longer. I’m not knocking hunting but it just seems like you want to kill the animal as quick as possible. Why is that unreasonable? I mean a bow for such a large animal? That doesn’t make sense to me. And taking your picture next to the dead animal
just strikes me as odd and a bit egotistical. Maybe I am wrong...but it is not a wholesale attack on hunters. I am sure most hunters are doing it for the skill and the meat, skin, etc...

[thorshammer777]

Some of you need to check your facts instead of posting emotional rants. Elephant hunting is actually legal in a few countries in Africa. She legally took this animal and the show was aired on tv. She’s also a pretty woman. Maybe not a supermodel twig, but pretty nonetheless. Elephant hunting is extremely dangerous, they kill people every year, and it took a lot of guts for her to do it. If you don’t like hunting, so beit, but don’t post things you don’t know.