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Ex-deputy cleared in shooting of airman
LA Times ^

Posted on 06/28/2007 4:25:54 PM PDT by CAWats

4:06 PM PDT, June 28, 2007

A San Bernardino County jury today acquitted a former sheriff's deputy of attempted voluntary manslaughter for opening fire on an unarmed, off-duty Air Force police officer after a high-speed chase last year, a brutal shooting videotaped by a bystander and aired nationwide.

Ivory John Webb Jr., 46, the son of a former Compton police chief, was the first law enforcement officer ever to face criminal charges for an on-duty shooting in San Bernardino County. Webb, who also was also acquitted of assault with a deadly firearm, faced up to an 18-year prison sentence.

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1 posted on 06/28/2007 4:25:56 PM PDT by CAWats
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To: CAWats

I remember this.....there was a very damning videotape, IIRC


2 posted on 06/28/2007 4:31:31 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: CAWats

This is a steaming pile!


3 posted on 06/28/2007 4:31:46 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CAWats
Ivory John Webb Jr., 46, the son of a former Compton police chief

Uhh...Huh..

4 posted on 06/28/2007 4:32:37 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CAWats

Amazing verdict.

I’d love to know how the jury rationalized this.


5 posted on 06/28/2007 4:33:42 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
The officer was simply misunderstanding his victim. After all, he ordered him to stand up and the guy was standing up.

Could be the jurors fear the police. It is getting like Mexico out there.

6 posted on 06/28/2007 4:40:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dragnet2

“I’d love to know how the jury rationalized this.”

So would I. From all the news articles I read on this case, and the video tape, there was no evidence at all to lead you to believe there was any reasonable doubt he was innocent. Besides attempted murder, it was also the Left’s classic textbook example, step by step, of their hate crime.


7 posted on 06/28/2007 4:42:11 PM PDT by BerryDingle
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To: CAWats

There you have it folks. It’s open season now. On whom and by whom is a matter of personal conscience.


8 posted on 06/28/2007 4:48:47 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: oldfart

But it won’t be Rodney King time this go-round cause the occifer was of color.


9 posted on 06/28/2007 4:50:01 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: GovernmentShrinker

rejoice and be glad all without conscience.


10 posted on 06/28/2007 4:51:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: CAWats

They should have moved the trial. The jurors have a real chance of running into his “brothers in blue”. They might have let that cloud their judgement.


11 posted on 06/28/2007 4:52:45 PM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: CAWats

Now the unions will be trying to get his job back. What a pile!


12 posted on 06/28/2007 5:00:17 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: CAWats

Time for some in the Airmans unit to teach this cop what a tactical raid is all about!


13 posted on 06/28/2007 5:18:27 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: CAWats

And the cops on FR wonder why we, the regular citizens, no longer trust the police force. This was a travesty of justice.


14 posted on 06/28/2007 5:18:43 PM PDT by packrat35 (Bush whither be thy brain)
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To: CAWats

Ok, what about a federal civil Righrs trial? Good enough for those four cops,; good enough for this one.


15 posted on 06/28/2007 5:30:41 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not quite enough melanometrics it seems..


16 posted on 06/28/2007 5:31:43 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Now now, they’re telling us now the pix showed Carrion (interesting name, as he was turned into that) reaching into his jacket. That could indicate a threat but it sure isn’t a “lunge.”

The police unions will now apply the maximum amount of grease and there’s a sizable chance Webb will slide clear out of all of this, civil as well as criminal, and will be back on the beat.


17 posted on 06/28/2007 5:33:49 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: org.whodat

He should sue for wrongful dismissal.


18 posted on 06/28/2007 5:50:32 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: CAWats

I’m as pro-cop as they come and I’m sure the jury heard more than we did, but this sure looked to me like this cop went over the line.


19 posted on 06/28/2007 5:56:24 PM PDT by umgud ("When illegals are banned, only greedy businesses and welfare providers will have them)
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To: umgud

It was a pretty quick deliberation....


20 posted on 06/28/2007 6:04:40 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BerryDingle
there was no evidence at all to lead you to believe there was any reasonable doubt he was innocent.

Au contraire...I'm in the area, and there have been lengthy daily newspaper reports on this case.

I started out thinking that Webb was toast, toast, toast -- but by the time it went to the jury I was certain I'd vote to acquit.

Almost NO parts of the prosecution's case came anywhere near "beyond reasonable doubt".

21 posted on 06/28/2007 6:07:26 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: BurbankKarl

I think the cop went WAY over the line. I read some postings from the military guy; he did everything the cop asked him to do.

Open Season on the Good Guys, in court. I hope he appeals.


22 posted on 06/28/2007 6:09:16 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: BurbankKarl
It was a pretty quick deliberation....

Yep - you'll see by my other post nearby that I followed the newspaper reports (much more in-depth) in the Riverside Press Enterprise.

I'm surprised it took them more than whatever it'd take to do a straw poll to find him not guilty.

23 posted on 06/28/2007 6:10:06 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia
Webb had no justification whatsoever to shoot this guy.

He wasn't the driver; he obeyed every order given to him; Webb shot him.

You have "reasonable doubt"?

Now, after this foolisness what do you think the chances are of the Airman getting off if he should seek personal satisfaction? He's a cop too.

Cop on cop action should elicit total neutrality in the civilian ranks right?

Like I said it's getting like Mexico out there.

24 posted on 06/28/2007 6:17:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I am sure this and Carrion’s .18 BAC didnt help it out.

Luis Escobedo said he consumed 12 beers and five shots of tequila before getting behind the wheel of a friend’s Corvette.


25 posted on 06/28/2007 6:24:10 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

and hiring poverty pimp lawyer Leo Carrillo.


26 posted on 06/28/2007 6:24:40 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: muawiyah
You have "reasonable doubt"?

Don't sit back there in Indiana, having your little emotional kneejerk reactions and tell me - a LOCAL who followed this trial on a daily basis - what to think.

Sheesh. There are some real frigging idiots on this board.

27 posted on 06/28/2007 6:31:23 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: BurbankKarl
Carrion wasn't driving. He simply got out of the car, laid on the ground, and then foolishly attempted to follow Webb's orders.

We had a kid in nearby Maryland, an Eagle Scout, just a passenger in a car driven by his girlfriend that got stopped by the cops because it was like a car then being pursued.

The local cops told the kid to get out of the car. An FBI topgun, Christopher Baga, shot the kid in the face the second he opened the door.

Which means that cops sometimes do very stupid things ~ even career ending stupid things. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/647080/posts

This Webb guy sounds like that FBI agent ~ time for a different job somewhere else, and NO GUNS.

28 posted on 06/28/2007 6:32:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ErnBatavia

Unless you actually went and VISITED them in person, does this mean squat? The internet has turned local news into halfway around the world news.


29 posted on 06/28/2007 6:32:54 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: muawiyah; BurbankKarl
He simply got out of the car, laid on the ground, and then foolishly attempted to follow Webb's orders.

Oh...there's so much more than that; you might want to drop out of this thread, because your lack of knowledge is becoming more and more apparent with each sentence.

30 posted on 06/28/2007 6:34:19 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: BurbankKarl

So next time you drink we can have a cop shoot you? Foolish.


31 posted on 06/28/2007 6:36:57 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (To make a conservative angry, lie to them. To make a liberal angry, tell them the truth.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

If a prosecutor does not want a conviction, he isn’t going to get one.


32 posted on 06/28/2007 6:38:24 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: ErnBatavia

So? Are you related to Webb? I’ve been reading about it on the SoCal papers online (I’m from SD). What gem did you dig out of the local coverage that said being drunk is a good reason to get shot three times?


33 posted on 06/28/2007 6:43:43 PM PDT by digitalbrownshirt (http://digitalbrownshirt.blogspot.com)
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To: ErnBatavia

Stop being cryptic and state you reasons or shut the he!! up!


34 posted on 06/28/2007 6:51:36 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: ErnBatavia
You are a foolish person. We do not call other posters here "frigging idiots".

If you have a problem what you do is debate the issues politely, or bring in the evidence and explain it to the rest of us.

Since you followed the "trial" daily and know all the arguments pro and con on every issue as put forward by various lawyers, you'll really have to explain to us why there's a film showing what everybody in the country has seen ~ a cop tells a guy to get up and then shoots him.

36 posted on 06/28/2007 7:11:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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You are a foolish person. We do not call other posters here "frigging idiots".

I am not a foolish person...I call fools fools and "frigging idiots" when I spot them. Got it?

Do your research on this case - since it's obviously grabbed you by the balls - and come back here in the morning with a clear and sober head...

37 posted on 06/28/2007 7:30:00 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Hazcat

Scroll, my dear, scroll.


38 posted on 06/28/2007 7:31:13 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia
No need for me to do research on this case when I've seen the film and have the world's most foremost expert on the case right here.

And cut out the "friggin'" and other trash talking. People here are expected to be literate.

39 posted on 06/28/2007 7:31:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CAWats

Ivory John Webb, Jr.

40 posted on 06/28/2007 7:32:10 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: ErnBatavia

You’re not nearly as witty and droll as you think.

I have read the complete thread and you offer zero evidence for review and zero links to back your obtuse comments.

Try again.


41 posted on 06/28/2007 7:35:04 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat
Stop being cryptic and state you reasons or shut the he!! up!

Here it is in a nutshell (one with which a dozen jurors apparently caught onto quicklike, unlike a handful of subpar FReepers...):

The prosecution did the PC thing....the defense brought up several expert police tactical witnesses, and pretty much shot the hell out of the charges.

The prosecutors did not prove their case, and the defense was vigorous enough (and rightly so) for aquittal.

Oh...and I will NEVER " shut the he!! up!...that's why I'm a FReeper.

Have a nice night.

42 posted on 06/28/2007 7:37:58 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: ErnBatavia; Hazcat; SeaHawkFan; digitalbrownshirt; muawiyah

Here is the video.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3701021042638173366


43 posted on 06/28/2007 7:42:37 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: ErnBatavia
Here it is in a nutshell (one with which a dozen jurors apparently caught onto quicklike, unlike a handful of subpar FReepers...): The prosecution did the PC thing....the defense brought up several expert police tactical witnesses, and pretty much shot the hell out of the charges. The prosecutors did not prove their case, and the defense was vigorous enough (and rightly so) for aquittal. Oh...and I will NEVER " shut the he!! up!...that's why I'm a FReeper. Have a nice night.

Once again you post opinions and expect them to be taken as gospel.

As stated in post #28 (I believe) we saw the video. It clearly shows by both aural and visual means that the Airman was complying with the officer when he was shot.

What is your answer to this irrefutable evidence?

44 posted on 06/28/2007 7:43:12 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat
The defense brought up several expert police tactical witnesses, and pretty much shot the hell out of the charges.

So you think other cops wouldn't ly to protect one of their own?

45 posted on 06/28/2007 7:45:51 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
So you think other cops wouldn't ly to protect one of their own?

Of course some would. Where did you get the idea that I did not think so?

46 posted on 06/28/2007 7:47:28 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Hazcat; ErnBatavia

I’m sorry; post 45 was meant for ErnBatavia.


47 posted on 06/28/2007 7:49:42 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

No problem, SeaHawk


48 posted on 06/28/2007 7:50:50 PM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: muawiyah

I agree with you. This country is getting like Mexico. The corruption gets worse every day.
I can only speculate that the prosecution was threatened with serious violence unless they spiked the case.
Nothing else makes sense.


49 posted on 06/28/2007 7:57:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ErnBatavia

You’re crude, rude and sound like a DU lackey.


50 posted on 06/28/2007 7:58:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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