Posted on 07/27/2007 12:31:46 PM PDT by Michael2001
So what’s the media’s position?
Is the media insinuating their friends on the left in the animal rights groups who are protesting are bigots?
I mean WHY is this a race issue!
Is it because of the mostly white people protesting him, or is it because of the blacks supporting him.
Which group is the one making it about race.
Well...we all know which group.
wow..the best and most articulate post on this issue I have read!!!!
This has nothing to do with race. It's because sillassed white folks worship animals more than people.
No self respecting black this side of the Congo would fall for that bullshite.
Some fool sportscaster down there alluded that what Vick did was worse than Ray Lewis or that Wrestler ...in other words, it's worse to kill dogs than men women and children. This obsession with nature and animals is bizarre. He broke the law. Prosecute him. Calls for his death or torture are absurd and a pitiful reflection of screwed up priorites.
That is wholly untrue...completely unequivocally untrue. Where did you get that from?
I'm in Nashville and come from a 200 year old line of white Southerners in Mississippi who have been here since the First Families of Virginia and Pocahontas and Rolfe.
Rich aristocratic Southerners race horses, own Tennessee walkers and maybe used to cockfight. Nowadays they duck hunt and still raise all manner of horse. Dog fighting and bull baiting were always the province of the yeoman class.
Today here in Tennessee it is the domain of urban black dope dealers and white country boy pot growers and meth cooks. Society's lower levels...hardly the gentry.
Bingo Mrs Z......our culture including some here would hang a man over killing dogs but either endorse, accept or just mutter about murdering babies as birth control
“I think it is as simple as that. As long as all sides are working with the same rules, “the constitution” the results and behavior are fair.”
The results and the behavior certainly are not fair if someone is affected economically, socially or professionally on an assumption of guilt.
“You seem to be trying to impose concerns that I’m sure many couldn’t care less about.”
Well, I would certainly be concerned if some horrendous liberal harpy yelled obscenities into my face. I think most people would be, especially if they were innocent.
“As well they should. If he is even remotely connected to this, and a sane person couldn’t deny it at this point, he should pay the just price.”
But this is my point. Certainly he SHOULD pay, and pay heavily, but only IF he is guilty. I don’t know if he did this awful thing or not. He may very well be guilty. But I do know that that is something that should be determined by a court, a judge and a jury of his peers, not the media, lobby groups, or even public opinion.
“That’s a great idea. Let’s just amend the constitution to satisfy your concerns. When can I get mine in there? Can I be the next amender?”
There’s no need to sneer. I have a perfect right (and in fact, in a free society, a positive duty) to put forward my concerns and thoughts. I’m not ramming them down anyone’s throat, you don’t have to agree. And in the same way, if you think something is wrong and should be amended, by all means present it before the bar of opinion of this board. If the rules (aka the constitution) are any good at all I’m sure they can take and stand up to constructive criticism.
Whose books are you reading, surely you haven’t been around here that long.
You’re not making sense OP. I’m 50 and my family has been in the South since they were Huguenots or third sons 400 years ago this year on a tiny estuary on the Virginia coast..
and there is darn sure no dog fighting today with rich white folks.
your previous post of Vick did wrong by acting white was patently absurd and constructed for your usual agenda
very odd OP
Okay, so your family never had fighting dogs, they just went around making horses run themselves to death for your entertainment, then, right?
Vick’s visibilty makes him very high-profile - as an example, who else is being charged with him?
OK, how about if I cop to the fact that my post was an unidentified parody and I then sat back to await the outrage, don’t you think that the core complaint of punishment without conviction is still a valid principle?
Great post. I thought the comparison between this guy Vick and the Duke Lacrosse players would come up alot sooner. I didn’t notice alot of blacks rushing to the aid of the Duke Lacrosse players. I do believe that had it not been for the internet and a few in the media those white college students would have been sacrificed at the alter of political correctness. To this day the black stripper has gotten no payback.
On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white.
Does anyone recall a similar reaction involving three young men from Duke University? Did these hyphenated-Americans believe them to be innocent until proven guilty? Where was “due process” for them?
It’s been my experience — and I will probably get flamed for saying it — that for a lot of people, it doesn’t matter if a black criminal is caught red-handed. Anything he or she does is excusable, because it’s “The Man” persecuting and keeping him/her down. Or, “they wouldn’t have to commit the crime if they weren’t black!”
Amen! Matter of fact someone on the news said if it had been a child killed there would not have been such an outcry as with an animal.
The classic cry "innocent till proven guilty" will turn to "no justice, no peace!" if he's found guilty.........
Wonder if the writer of the article will cover that.......
to be honest....I have been more interested in all the outrage over animal cruelty which like most folks I find lamentable but hardly a capital crime
a misdemeanor to me
or maybe a class G Felony is repeated or involving other crimes
for some, dog fighting ranks with child rape...which in my opinion is absurd
absolutely and many here go beyond just thinking he is guilty and are already calling for rope or even torture...a lot of punitive hyperbole
this fascination with nature and animal "crime" really vexes me
it's so selective....we are cruel to and kill animals by the millions daily as a resource....course not dogs...at least not here on any scale
we do kill them in large amounts for population control....and it;s pretty brutal
It's pathetic that so many people feel that we can't convict a black man of a heinous crime unless we find a white counterpart to convict as well. American political correctness gets more embarrassing every year.
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